you married in the mid—1960s, the late great miriam makeba. the stage by miriam and harry belafonte. i grew up with miriam. you married in the mid— 60s? we married “119611. i produced a lot of her records. we wrote quite a few songs. we worked together for over a0 years on and off. and you enrolled at the manhattan school of music, and enjoyed the tutelage of dizzy gillespie, louis armstrong, and that's when you began to develop your own unique style of afro jazz. i went to the stage as a bebopper. i was a jazz musician, but everybody said hey, you will be a statistic if you came here forjazz, but we would like to hear some of your african stuff. i was hoping to play with the best. clifford brown, lee morgan, donald byrd, kenny doran. all of the great trumpet players. and saxophonists, they came from there. they said, form your own group, we want to hear african stuff! dizzy said the same. of course, belafonte and miriam did. that was the only way i got noticed. otherwise you would not stand out... you think it was a result of your exile from

for the release of nelson mandela he was at one time married to fellow activist and sing your miriam makeba massacre who was seventy eight massacre was seventy eight excuse me. is a political analyst and cultural commentator joining us from johannesburg thanks very much for joining us on the news read so he really did change the way people looked at apartheid through music how influential was he in your opinion he was a giant both here in south africa and abroad particularly in europe and north america he was as much a political activist as he was an artist and musician and in fact he regarded he's as a channel as a conduit for his activism not only his anti apartheid work but all to the social justice work post apartheid here in south africa and this of course all you speak from experience because you have personally met him what were your impressions of him and perhaps if you have a personal story to share. yes that's absolutely he was somebody who was the most enduring thing that one remembers about him is his infectious smile and chuckle and that's how i would love to to remember him bu