so that was misgoal. that's what he did. he was also a business owner for 68 years and was a black man without that voice. but the difference, he has a lot to say. and it's a wild ride to follow but he is definitely one of very many people. and that's what made this part so beautiful. the fact i get to be this voice for so many black men who couldn't say anything. >> which leads me to ask, deerks how you respond -- back to the first part of conversation, the puckback that certain films get. love dee, love jason. don't want to see nothing like this again. >> right. >> so we are back to that. and one of the things you hear in those conversations is that people don't like you because it doesn't show us at our best. >> right. >> that's not what i saw in this project. but for those who think they are going to go see something that doesn't show black folks at their best, their strongest -- >> i would there is a nobility here, there is dignity here. there is agency here and consciousness here. and one of the first time we meet him,