i think the question is not whether it missileman's declaration is cumulative -- -- whether miss lemon's declaration is cumulative. it is about their relationship between a sheriff who has committed an act of violence and the duties of the sheriff. i think those are things for which there is a story. in terms of the ultimate issue, there is a difference in criminal law and in civil law. in civil law, there is explicit evidence that says it is admissible for an expert to offer you their opinion on the ultimate issue. that does not bind you to the expert opinion, but it is not an inappropriate opinion to make. it certainly is admissible under the evidence code. under criminal law, that is different. you cannot give an opinion about the ultimate issue, or the fact of the defendant picked up. under this setting, it is appropriate. it is not something you need to exclude from the record. there is a code section that makes it admissible. commissioner hayon: -- chairperson hur: my response to that is, to me, it is not the ultimate issue problem. i just do not think she is uniquely qualified to

is there any disagreement that we will permit missileman, for the purpose of helping us a guy with the credibility -- miss lemmon, for the purpose of helping us with the credibility of the conflicting stories, but not admitted for purposes of telling us why his conduct relates to his duties as sheriff, and that we will not allow it into the legal question of what domestic violence -- what constitutes domestic violence? is there any dissent from that? >> can i clarify it? in the first part of that, you would expect that we would -- that this process would keep the information about the nature of domestic violence and the background of how to interpret specific elements are factions within it. the syndrome of domestic violence might be a way, a phrase i would pick up on. chairperson hur: i would agree with that. i think some of that background is necessary to inform our opinions about what a witness may not be reliable later on. >> i agree. not for the ultimate conclusion, but for how the behaviors may affect domestic violence. i agree with that. >> and the dissenting view? >> not necess