[overlapping conversation] >> view mister johnson of mister gary is the record. that's witnesses inconsistent then that can be . [overlapping conversation] >> you said in 2005 on the year you been in parliament for six, i think six years? you came in the same day as me. how many have you voted against? >> i've been out of parliamen . >> but you been in for about six years, same as i've been in starting the same day. how many, that would be around b,15,000 claiming since you've been in parliament. how many have you voted against? >> many of them as you know. >> how many, 14,000? 10,000? >> i used to serve on something called european standing committee be and it was a completely pointless exercise. there was absolutely nothing thisparliament can do to stop the vast majority of this stuff you go . >> a member, any member. [overlapping conversation] >> there was nothing you could do to stop it. i look at you and ask you whether there was anything we could do practically to stop the rubberstamping and there wasn't . >> any member that attempted to force law on any is