so that comes in mister koskinen. when he is hired, when he is confirmed, the president said we need, quote, new leadership to restore confidence going forward. that is what he was brought in to do and i would argue based on the duties he had he has done anything but restore confidence. under his watch we learned from the testimony from mister chaffetz what happened, he allowed 422 backup tapes to be destroyed. when he learns about it he waits four month before he tells us to do an investigation, he doesn't even check on any other backup tapes that exist. we find out there are 700 others that weren't destroyed that could have helped us. he didn't even check that some of these had been destroyed. which leads to the one question i have and i think the chairman for this hearing and the second hearing is coming. mister koskinen -- is the standard, in your judgment, for impeachment, a criminal intent standard? >> no. that is pretty clear if you look at alexander hamilton, he said impeachment is about violation of public tr