and to go to misurata. because in misurata, i went there in april, i went six times libya, seven times. and in misurata i went there at the peak of the siege and of the mar-- of the city. and i saw this incredible image of citizens, having repaed the tanks with nearly bare hands. the tanks were inside the city. they tear the city into two, destroyed it and the citizens repelled mer after meter the tanks. and i came back to france with the intuition that these guysaving been able to do that, with bare hands, if we gave them some real weapons they would be able to take tripoli. and i went to sar kosesy and i told him tham. and he said okay, let's think. i told him why should i not bring to you the guys without did that. the guys with bare hands. it is what we did. >> but you also told him that blood would flow and it would be a stain onhe french flag if that happened. >> yes. this was so strange for me. i'm not-- france has not the same relationship with the flag. america has clothe its and nearly fresh-- it