so at the mit media lab is nick negroponte, one of the leading philosophers as part of a digital revolution. so i'm talking to him on a weekly basis so that we can be guided in terms of what can be unleashed. the vision. >> guest: yeah. >> guest: they're explaining that a company like skype can be created if we move to all digital, that we can have a rev raoul pollution that all these -- revolution that all these kids can now reinvent the world if we give them the opportunities. so there were some questions, without question -- jack is correct -- that were a little bit slow in understanding we were moving to a whole new interactive model that would give much more control to the software industry, to a new, burgeoning internet industry. but the net result is the same anyway. even though some companies might have been a little slow in understanding how quickly they were going to have to move, that gave even more room for sergei and larry to become household names, you know? because they could move in and do what otherwise would have been done even by the incumbent silicon valley firms. so the