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now, if mitch daniels. can call a truce on that, that would be great but as long as people are pushing to change the definition of marriage they're going to be millions of americans that say no, we want marriage to stay between one man and one woman. >> i want to move on to the money issues. but i think that what they're trying to say is the republican party, if it has a narrow base, cannot win and do anything. people are concerned about the economy. we need to do that instead of bringing up which are really divisive issues particularly when you look at the independ t independents, gay marriage. >> right. >> things like abortion, all issues that tend to particularly divide the independents whose votes you need. >> all these issue, every issue is devicive in america today, my republican friends going to tell me that reforming social security is not divisive? of course it is. the whole tax cut debate is a very divisive issue. these values issues actually expand the republican party. they don't narrow it. inde

a special opportunity for me to introduce to you the recipient of the 2010 herman kahn award, mitch danielsve known mitch probably over 30 years. i watched him with senator lugar, went back to indiana, president of hudson institute, eli lilly, then came out and worked in the reagan administration, served as o.m.b. director under george w. bush. like herman kahn, mitch is an innovator. he thinks outside the box. and you don't see that too often today in politics. because, you know, you have the conventional campaigns, you've got all the consultants, and you've got the things that you can do and can't do and it's pretty well many times scripted. but mitch has always been a person that would think outside the box. and that's why i think he's been tremendously successful in the state of indiana and has notoriety according to abisan in japan because of what he's done with the toll road and pro growth low taxes. so i think having been president and c.e.o. of hudson in the past, i can't think of a greater honoree than the governor of the state of indiana, the honorable mitch daniels. >> mark twain

then mitch daniels receives the other award. then weekly addresses from president obama and republican mike pence. >> sunday, on washington journal, new york times white house correspondent peter baker on his article, the education of the president for he wrote about the first two years of president obama is term after being elected the nation's first black president. ross. eileen norc after that, ray cookliss and attorney norman. plus, your e-mail and phone calls for it washington journal, live off sunday morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. >> "q&a" sunday, justice stephen briar. >> it is sometimes hard to avoid your basic values, how you see the country and the relationship between law and the average person in this country. those basic, fundamental, legal and political values are part of you and they will sometimes influence where the question is very open and it gets to that kind of thing. >> supreme court justice stephen briar and his new boat, sunday night on c-span. next, the national press club honors bob schief

mitch daniels.i have known him over 30 years. i've watched him with the senator lugar and went back to indiana, eli lilly and work in the reagan administration. mitch is an innovator. he thinks outside the box. you don't see that too often today in politics. you have the conventional campaigns, all of the consultants, things you can and cannot do. but he's always been a person that would think outside the box. that is why he has been tremendously successful in the state of indiana and has notoriety in japan, because of what he has done with the toll road and lower taxes. in having been president and ceo of hudson in the past, i cannot think of a greater honor read than the governor of the state of indiana, the hon. mitch daniels. [applause] >> mark twain said the perfect audience was informed, intelligent, an acquisitive, and drunk. [laughter] it's been a long evening and i'm thinking we're near perfect here which would come in handy. thank you million. this has been like a college reunion. there ar

so you're mitch daniels. i hear chris christie. i don't hear romney. i hear that if i hope huckabee doesn't run. he's a disaster it is fiscally irresponsible. i guess tim polanski is another one. >> this member of the audience states and asks -- and this will be a general question for anyone on the panel. debate is a rich tradition. how will passion and brimstone translate into thoughtful policies? i came to d.c. in the 60's and there is less thoughtful due process in today's politics than ever before. how do words and trashing translate into bipartisan collaboration? debate is healthy, but angry words don't do it. respond. >> come on. i'm not just saying this because i host a crossword. >> i'm sorry, >> very, very quickly. >> i want to know who paid for that. >> i did not. no, certainly in the last 100 years of moment where there's little debate would make remarkably poor decisions. right? i mean, the moments when we debate is finally in over long periods of time that we're more likely to wind up with a wise result, which i think was one -- i will ref

tea party with the energy and fire will be a real problem for candidates, i would think, like mitch daniels and haley barbour and others who are seen as moderate centrists conservative candidates, and it's going to be a big help for some of the fire eaters, if you will. the key question for 2012, and i don't disagree, is whether you can do as reagan eventually did, which is bring together the fire and energy of the conservative movement with the republican establishment by a ticket that embraced both. that's going to be a tougher thing to do, but pluf is correct. it's an indispensable assignment if the republicans want to win in 2012. >> he went on to criticize newt gingrich as he tried to characterize the democrats as the party of food stamps. >> i think you have to be concerned in a time like this when unemployment figures, even though we had nine straight months of private sector growth, are still not what they should be. so you are looking at that, and folks are angry and they are mad and want change, just as they did two years ago. i think the interesting thing about all of this, alex,

. >> mitch daniels from indiana. mike pence from indiana jim demint from south carolina. >> sean: did you notice they orchestrate add attack on demint this week? >> they always attack what they fear. demint sets the standard for small government conservatism in the senate is probably going to have eight new senators that are going to share his perspective and be willing to do the work. >> sean: it is going to drive the leadership nuts. >> absolutely. >> sean: if they don't understand the mood of the country itj is time for new leadership. >> absolutely right. >> sean: i think we it settles. dick armey great job with freedom works appreciate you being with us. >> my pleasure. >> sean: sarah palin relates to americans across the country a new book explains the four things that have shaped sarah palin into the leader she today. we will explain what they are . >> sean: sarah palin became a household name after the trait presidential election. a new book is examining the role faith plays in her life and how it is shaping

. >> mitch daniels from indiana.nce from indiana jim demint from south carolina. >> sean: did you notice they orchestrate add attack on demint this week? >> they always attack what they fear. demint sets the standard for small government conservatism in the senate is probably going to have eight new senators that are going to share his perspective and be willing to do the work. >> sean: it is going to drive the leadership nuts. >> absolutely. >> sean: if they don't understand the mood of the country itj is time for new leadership. >> absolutely right. >> sean: i think we it settles. dick armey great job with freedom works appreciate you being with us. >> my pleasure. >> sean: sarah palin relates to americans across the country a new book explains the four things that have shaped sarah palin into the leader she today. we will explain what they are and much more coming up, next. i'm done with airline credit cards promising 25,000 miles a flight only to be told... there's nothing for 25. but they will let me give you t

primary season and the names come out, that's when you're going to hear huckabee and romney and even mitch danielwho are more serious to my mind. >> i hate when they have the vehicles driving in reverse when we're talking. >> there's a major renovation going on. >> i know. republicans are loving to push this talking point about the president and parties being out of touch. you mentioned michael steele. he apparently doesn't have a solid grasp on the working lives of many, many americans. here's michael steele getting the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> what is the minimum wage, michael? >> you really like the minimum wage, don't you? i'd rather talk about more. whether it's $7, $10, whatever it happens to be in whatever part of the country you live in, the fact if you don't have a job, that number is irrelevant until you get one. >> the minimum wage is not $7 or $10, but let's move on. >> all right. that will be your headline. that will be your headline, lawrence. still doesn't know the minimum wage. >> he doesn't know, joe miller, the tea party-backed candidate doesn't believe it's constit

. >> one of the most successful one governors has been mitch daniels in indiana. i would select my chief of staff next. >> thank you very much. it is your chance to tell our viewers and r voters why they should elect you as our next governor. one minute per candidate. tom tancredo. >> we have come down to the wire. it is important to look and see exactly what separates the candidates in front of you. we are asking you for a job. we gave you an application. you fill that -- we fill that out and you check are references to determine who we are, where we have been, and what you're going to do. it is the best way to know whether the rhetoric we use will be descriptive of what we will do. look at what we have done. i would suggest -- it is true that i have been around. i have been in elected office in the state legislature and in the executive office of the federal government. i have a record. when -- oh, my gosh. i messed this up every time i tried this. when people look at what i have done in my past, they give me -- some give me an 92.7% rating and i think that is p

i think mitch daniels, the governor of indiana, is gaining a great regard across the country. certainly the governor of new jersey has set an example for all the governors on fiscal policy matters. u.s. governor pawlenty making quite an effort to get to people that no one appreciate him. there are no shortages of good people that are conservative principles and the ideals that we share this movement and served them well. would they serve them without discipline? probably not come so we would be there to discipline and encourage whoever is elected. but no, there is no shortage of good people. i'm sure i could find others and i sure there is something i shouldn't have overlooked and i probably already have, and somebody will correct me about it. >> could that person be from alaska and not named miller? [laughter] ..

the door more than i have seen her recently and in the republican primary three estimate does mitch daniels done? >> he has at best forward leaning. he's been a but considering it but i don't know. >> who do you think the republican nominee will be or do you have a hunch? >> i have no hunch and i think it is going to be a very big field and a lot of frustration and i think there will be good for us and it will be about seven or eight legitimate contenders. [laughter] >> does barack obama get challenged perhaps over afghanistan or something like that? >> no chance. >> no chance that hillary clinton will decide to run against them? okay, listen, thank you all very much and i just want you to observe civility in action. if you can do anything for the members of congress and governors and so on to stop them from a building at one another and have you them talk like one another like these [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2010] >> "washington journal" is next. our live debate coverage continues at 7:00 p.m. eastern with the

mitch daniels has to answer that question. in new jersey has to answer that question, tom corbin, pennsylvania, all have to answer that question. no matter how many jobs they got and how many office these won, they have to answer the question "is sarah palin presidential material." when they whimper out or say got to be kidding me under your breath they lose the tea party crowd. is that when civil war in the republican party occurs, michael? >> yes, and i think it's already under watch and i sense no compromise from those who are on the right who call me every day, e-mail me every day, the sort of folks how saw at that mike castle town hall meeting, the woman who shouted out "i want my country back" that not going to allow any compromise whatsoever. >> michael, my buddy in phillies. >>> the supreme court heard arguments today in the case of the fringe church group that protests disgustingly at funerals of american service people. the group says military deaths are god's judgment -- punishment, rather, for country for toleratin

mitch daniels has to answer that question.hristie in new jersey has to answer that question, tom corbin, pennsylvania, all have to answer that question. no matter how many jobs they got and how many office these won, they have to answer the question "is sarah palin presidential material." when they whimper out or say got to be kidding me under your breath they lose the tea party crowd. is that when civil war in the republican party occurs, michael? >> yes, and i think it's already under watch and i sense no compromise from those who are on the right who call me every day, e-mail me every day, the sort of folks how saw at that mike castle town hall meeting, the woman who shouted out "i want my country back" that not going to allow any compromise whatsoever. >> michael, my buddy in phillies. >>> the supreme court heard arguments today in the case of the fringe church group that protests disgustingly at funerals of american service people. the group says military deaths are god's judgment -- punishment, rather, for country for to

possibly exception of mitch daniels in indiana in a way tha is st of crossed the base of the party, where the energy of the party is. i think you always have a challenge when you're running for the president inither party, h do you aealo activists o dominate the nominating process while still having a general election messe which is essentially, particarly in the age of youtube and google. it will be fascinang to watch how they negiate that. w they figure ou how you at once win your nomination appealing to the base and be ready to take on back obama. >> rose: so will the traefl race be a rerendum on prident obama wil, as karl rove has often said, it always is about change. >> i think right now and wll have to see what happens with the courts and with the presumab republican-dominated congress, let's see what happens with health care in 2011 and 2012. if the law survives i think that and the employment rate-- unemployment rate-- will be the dominant issues and republicans, if they can stay disciplin as they have in this election not talking about the islamic center near ground zero, not ta

i think there are a lot of people who could step forward in the republican race, somebody like mitch daniel who may not even be on their list today or tomorrow when they do their straw poll. still, as jamie was saying, there wasn't anything quite similar to this. so i'm sure people will take note of it. host: you will be out listening to voters between now and election day? guest: i will be out there. host: thank you for being at this desk this mor >> our campaign coverage continues at 8:00 p.m. eastern tonight with a second debate between that connecticut senate candidates. that is followed by the senate debate from wisconsin. at 10:00 eastern, a debate between the north dakota congressman and his republican opponent. then, president obama at an illinois fund-raiser. and there reminder that we have dozens of debates, political ads, speeches and campaign rallies available for you to watch any time online. visit our web site, c-span.org. >> most generals, their great this is what they do on the battlefield. arguably, washington's greatness was what he did between battles. >> sunday, an inter

there is no governor or lieutenant governor, democrat or republican, who will be able to do, even mitch daniels, a friend of congressman portman, has said there are some things beyond the control of governors that can only be fixed in that broken place called washington, d.c. >> thank you, mr. fisher. this darn clock. it does not stop when he wanted to. that is our debate. thank all of you at home for watching. a special thanks to all of our panelists tonight. . . >> our debate coverage continues tomorrow. pat quinn and faces a bill brady. later, candidates for the second congressional district of new hampshire. after that, in connecticut governors debate. dan meloy is running against republican. >> the first debate between senate cabinet. richard blumenthal and linda mcmahon. they rate this a toss up. this is hosted by the hartford courant. the moderator is from the fox news channel. >> live, and from the theater, fox coonnecticut since the debate. here is our moderator. >> good evening. this is a special report. welcome to the connecticut senate debate. it is between richard blumenthal and li

>> i think one of the most successful governor has been mitch daniels in indiana. i got a chance to spend time talking with him. and then obviously i would put my staff together, and that starts with chief of staff trment t. >> all right. thank you very much, gentlemen. now your chance to tell our viewers, our voters, why they should elect you as our next governor. we drew straws to determine the order. one minute per candidate. tom tancredo, you're first. >> we have come down to the wire, and it's property to see the candidates in front of you. we are asking you for a job. we give you an application form essential. we fill it out, and you check our references and determine who we are and what we're going to do. it's the best way to know whether the rhetoric we use is going to be, in fact, descriptive of what we will do. look at what we have done. and i will suggest to you that, yeah, it is true i've been around a while, it is true i've been in elect office, in the state legislature, executive office in the federal government, and i have a record. and when the amer

obama in 2012, -- people like mitch daniels, sarah palin, people who raise taxes and increase government. host: you are calling on the republican line. who is your favorite republican? caller: who is my favorite republican? i like mitt romney a lot. i like what i have seen from chris cristi so far. these are men who have governed as conservatives in blue states. i like rudy giuliani. i did not know if he is electable because of republican primary politics. , but people who have governed as far as limiting taxes and limiting government. host: north carolina. ward on our independent mind. 2010 election. caller: no, i do not think it is about president obama so much. i think people are really on to the issues in this election campaign. i think we are being overlooked. we have someone taking office we have someone taking office away from richard burn -- it's got is a senator burr up 15%? caller: it depends on the polls you here. you get out in the public you can readily assess yourself of that a lot of people were excited about elaine mars. -- marshall. host: why are you excited about her? c

have a great group of potential candidates from mitt romney to sarah palin to mike huckabee to mitch danielonfident the republican party will nominate somebody who is articulate and effective. and decide by march whether or not we'll run. we're looking at it seriously. we run four small businesses and we're trying to get them organizationed if we did decide to run they'd go on and be successful without it. this is a huge, huge challenge and i would say when we try to do at american solutions, pretty successfully reach out to the country with a million, 400,000, and 290,000 donors and endorse over 5800 candidates. we're currently helping candidates all over america. aen i think that's our job. >> and you raised 4 million dollars in a quarter, far outdistanced even that of mitt romney. >> let's talk about this youtube video that's been created by a st. louis tea party leader and it's called newt versus nancy. let's take a look at it. >> people are being driven to food stamps because the democratic policies are killing their jobs. >> if you want to create jobs, the quickest way to do it is to

newt gingrich was telling mitch daniels six months ago, run, it helps book sales. >> you don't have to win, right? i'm curious about the mutual endorsement game? when someone endorses you, you have to endorse them? >> you don't endorse them and say, gee, would you think sarah is qualified to be president? gee, i don't know about that. >> i can't quite spit that out. >> you would throw something out like, sure, she's as qualified as anyone around. >> even that's a qualified endorse. pat. >> it's not a big news story. >> i do think it is fair to say that sarah palin did make joe miller. nobody knew who joe miller was until sarah palin endorsed him. >> it's all about eve. he turns on her once he becomes big time. >> so let's ask, pat -- >> let me say this about miller. this sounds like an amateur making a statement out there. this wasn't considered. if he could have changed that, he would have. he made a bit of a gaff. >> doesn't that help him get the murkowski votes though? >> no. if you deliberately cut sarah to get the murkowski votes? no, i don't think so at all. >> we shall see. >>>

obama in 2012, -- people like mitch daniels, sarah palin, people who raise taxes and increase government. host: you are calling on the republican line. who is your favorite republican? caller: who is my favorite republican? i like mitt romney a lot. i like what i have seen from chris cristi so far. these are men who have governed as conservatives in blue states. i like rudy giuliani. i did not know if he >> we will go live now to nato secretary -- to nato headquarters in brussels where secretary of state hillary clinton and defense secretary robert gates are addressing reporters. >> good afternoon. i am pleased to be here with my colleague, the secretary robert gates, for today's joint meeting of nato foreign and defense ministers. the meeting was productive and far-reaching. i will give you a readout, and we will be happy to take your questions. the focal point was nato's new strategic concept which now exists in draft form. the document and the conversations that has sparked service an important function -- to insure that natal evolves as the world evolves. to be a security alliance in

you have an energetic republican governor, mitch daniels, all campaigning around the state for statese and state senate republican candidate. advantages on either side but our polling shows baron hill up. host: agnes, sarasota, florida. caller: i lovc-span. i am a registered indepdent but i sent in my absence ballot for the democratic ticket because i do not approve of industry holding back on employment until president obama is shagged out of office. i also object to having tuesday voting. it should be on the weekend so more people are free to voice their opinion. guest: tuesday voting good it is the tradition. i don't know if they will change that one. host: as a canadian -- reading that toronto elected a conservative, or "the financial times" calls him a right wing mayor, a la tea party. a surprise in toronto. guest: i can't speak specifically to that race. it just seems like the general mood of folks -- canada's economy has not been hit as hard as thenited states but folks are still anxious about the future and it looks like they are willing to go in a different direction. host:

i think there are a lot of people who could step forward in the republican race, somebody like mitch danielho may not even be on their list today or tomorrow when they do their straw poll. still, as jamie was saying, there wasn't anything quite similar to this. so i'm sure people will take note of it. host: you will be out listening to voters between now and election day? guest: i will be out there. host: thank you for being at this desk this morning. guest: i appreciate it. host: we're going to take a break here and learn more about politics 2010 with the focus on the ohio governor's race. and after that, bob woodward will be here to take your telephone calls. >> it's another class of the titans of two spending millions of dollars in this race. we haven't seen any game changing moments around the country in any of the races that we're taking a look at. john is trying to make the case that ohio needs a new direction, the economy is flat lining and hats been for decades there. republican and democratic governors haven't been able to turn it around. despite the fact that he hasn't really done

you have an energetic republican governor, mitch daniels, all campaigning around the state for state house and state senate republican candidate. advantages on either side but our polling shows baron hill up. host: agnes, sarasota, florida. caller: i love c-span. i am a registered independent but i sent in my absence ballot for the democratic ticket because i do not approve of industry holding back on employment until president obama is shagged out of office. i also object to having tuesday voting. it should be on the weekend so more people are free to voice their opinion. guest: tuesday voting good it is the tradition. i don't know if they will change that one. host: as a canadian -- reading that toronto elected a conservative, or "the financial times" calls him a right wing mayor, a la tea party. a surprise in toronto. guest: i can't speak specifically to that race. it just seems like the general mood of folks -- canada's economy has not been hit as hard as the united states but folks are still anxious about the future and it looks like they are willing to go in a different directi

even mitch daniels, a friend of congressman portman, has said there is something beyond the control of governors that can only be fixed and that broken place called washington, d.c. thank you. >> thank you. gentlemen, that is our debate tonight. thank you for being with us and i thank all of you at home for watching. a special thanks to all of our panelists . thanks also to the ohio newspaper organization for sponsoring this debate. election day is november 2. i am diane larson. have a great night. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2010] . . >> thank you for joining us for the ohio u.s. senate debate. >> we have more campaign 2010 programming for you coming up tonight at 8:00 eastern. debate between candidates to be illinois' next governor. after that we will show a " washington journal" segment. >> the season and networks provide coverage of politics, public affairs, non-fiction books and american history. it is all available to you on television, radio, on line, and social media network sides. we take c-span on

the door more than i have seen her recently and in the republican primary three estimate does mitch daniels done? >> he has at best forward leaning. he's been a but considering it but i don't know. >> who do you think the republican nominee will be or do you have a hunch? >> i have no hunch and i think it is going to be a very big field and a lot of frustration and i think there will be good for us and it will be about seven or eight legitimate contenders. [laughter] >> does barack obama get challenged perhaps over afghanistan or something like that? >> no chance. >> no chance tt hillary clinton will decide to run against them? okay, listen, thank you all very much and i just want you to observe civility in action. if you can do anything r the members of congress and governors and so on to stop them from a building at one another and have you them talk like >> coming up later, we will have more political programming. the focus will be money in politics hosted by the committee for economic development. we will have that story feel alive and 12:20 eastern here on c-span. each night, we're sho

i think there are a lot of people who could step forward in the republican race, somebody like mitch danielay not even be on their list today or tomorrow when they do thr straw poll. still, as jamie was saying, there wasn't anything quite similar to this. so i'm sure people will take note of it. host: you will be out listening to voters between now and election day? guest: i will be out there. host: thank you for being at this desk this mhr >> tomorrow, timothy homan, siobhan bennett, and asa hutchinson of the -- formerly of the dea, and allen st. pierre discussing california's proposition 19 which would allow adults to own up to 1 ounce of cannabis. that is live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on "washington journal." >> we're showing you some of the 2010 campaign debates and events from around the country tonight. next, we will hear from the candidates running for senate in connecticut. then, a debate between the wisconsin senate candidates. after that, a debate in north dakota for the u.s. senate at- large house seat. >> listen to a landmark supreme court cases on c-span radio. >> what we're arguin

i think there are a lot of people who could step forward in the republican race, somebody like mitch danielt even be on their list today or tomorrow when they do their straw poll. still, as jamie was saying, there wasn't anything quite similar to this. so i'm sure people will take note of it. host: you will be out listening to voters between now and election day? guest: i will be out there. host: thank you for being at this desk this connecticut. this is one hour. >> this is connecticut votes 2010 -- the debates. >> welcome to toda's's debate between the candidates for senate in connecticut'. the post are the business council of fairfield county, the greater business council, the bridgeport regional business council, and news 12. each candidate will have 26 minutes to see -- as they see fit -- to use as they see fit. the candidates will field questions from our panel. they can also converse with each other. they cannot ask questions of each other, but they can talk to each other. each candidate will have two minutes for closing statements. our panelists are the editor for hearst connecticut

for example, mitch daniels, former omb under bush and governor of indian give a speech last week of in front of the heritage foundation. he said we need spending cuts as we did in indiana. we may have to consider that may be coupled with a lower income rate. and maybe even some taxes on energy to get off the persian gulf energy dependence. the typical reaction was he was lying bested by many in the republican party. we are going to have to deal with this -- was lambasted by many within the republican party. we will have to deal with this as great britain is. they said we will do $3 of spending cuts for every $1 of taxes. but we will have to have some type of leadership. hopefully, the deficit commission will come from it. the question is whether over the next two years the tea party will be reasonable and willing to work together to solve problems, or will we have to wait until 2012 to have a presidential referendum? i am hopeful that we can begin dealing with these issues tomorrow. like great britain which will cut 9% of their debt relative to the gdp, brought down of the next couple

i mentioned mitch daniels before.were a moderate republican, i would be so tempted to give a shot. even though history says it is a long shot. >> we have run to the questions. i am very happy to take questions from the floor. i have a lot of questions bread but i do want to give everybody the chance to ask these two gentlemen, all kinds of questions. if you have a question, raise your hand. >> [inaudible] >> let me repeat the question. the issue is, the current unemployment rates is not there until we get down to 6%. what is realistic? >> if we wait for the public to clamor for cutting their benefits and raising their taxes, we will definitely have a problem. right? the director of the congressional budget office says the deficit problem -- the american people are not willing to send washington and taxes in not to cover what they demand and benefits. we have to get there and leadership. george bush agreed to raise taxes to get the deficit deals to the congress. that explains ken not getting reelected. he put some thin