you have governor mitch daniels coming out and criticizing mitt romney.ho are very tepid of their endorsement of mitt romney. you have joe manchin on the one side and a whole host of tepid endorsements for mitt romney on the other side. >> it does reflect people who are in precarious political waters themselves maybe don't want to get too far out there with president obama? no? >> i think senator manchin has been a moderate. he has been that since he got elected in his campaign and i don't think this is really a departure. >> i think you want to see are mo of that because you look at something like paul in missouri, mccaskill is running far behind her republican moment in swing states. >> she raises a good point with mitch daniels because mitch daniels, a republican, said of mitt romney, to the indianapolis star, quote, that mitt romney must not spend the precious time and dollars explaining what's at stake and a constructive program to make life better. as i say, look at everything through the lens of folks who have yet to achieve. romney doesn't talk th

as i understand mitch daniels has done as well.s it that none of the high-level republicans whose names have come up have said, if i'm asked, i'll do it? why is it they are all saying, no, it will not happen, i haven't been asked and i'm committed to the job i'm doing. >> first of all, i think a lot of them genuinely feel that way and in addition the worse thing you could do if you have interest in being the vice presidential running mate, is to seem eager for it and seem as if you are campaigning for it and, it is better to say, i love my job and i think he'll pick somebody else and it will be a long time for mitt romney and we'll play the parlor game but will be august, as mitt romney and his camp, having gone through thorough vetting of all the top candidates will look at the political lay of the land and what they need, do they need to focus on a stay or a demographic group, whether hispanics or blue-collar workers or women. and, they'll make a decision at that point, of what they want, and, my guess is, whoever it is, no matte

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no kidding, mitch. daniels was asked what he really meant by those words on fox news sunday. >> as things go along i want to encourage him to express these very same principles more often from the standpoint of the young, the poor, those who have yet to start up the ladder of life. it's the very same principles but aimed in a slightly different way, and i know he'll do that. >> today romney took mitch daniels words to heart. he said young voters have no choice but to support him. >> i think young voters in this country have to vote for me if they're thinking about what's in the best interest of the country and their personal best interest. the president's policies have led to extraordinary statistics. 50% of the kids coming out of college today can't find a job or can't find a job which is consistent with their skills. >> in fact, romney is so fired up to win over young voters, he's willing to breakaway with his own party and side with president obama when it comes to student loans. watch romney remember his ne

marco rubio, paul ryan, mitch daniels. marco rubio is eloquent and gives good speeches.ideas guy, mitch daniels has been a successful governor, 70% approval and ron portman is a safe pick. he would help in ohio. >> smart and conservative. >> i have the same top two as steve, rubio and ryan. >> you're very wise. >> i knew i couldn't cross steve. >> marco rubio would add a lot. all four are from swing states. if it women gender gap thing proves to go something romney tries to deal with, kelly yacht aye would help >> charles? >> i want to comment steve on his incredible wisdom. he got the right four and in exactly the right order. >> so you got the same? >> i rest on his laurels. >> there you go. let me throw a couple of weaknesses. rubio, not a ringing endorsement of romney. >> in fact he did say he wasn't my first choice. that's not what us if you're running for the job but romney, if there's anybody unsentimental about campaigns will look aside and if he decides he needs a state, a young guy who a hispanic and he needs all those elements, he'll pick him. it could be the

i love mitch daniels and i actually respect him a lot. i was encouraging him to run for president.e, and i hope that governor romney listens to mitch daniels, i know that he will, and i think his campaign will be a very robust campaign. we don't get to pick the perfect nominee of our parties. we get to have the candidate run for president who represent our party, and mitt romney is going to represent our party. he'll do a great job. he'll be a great president because he has the courage to make tough decisions. he's got the wisdom to give ç thought to those decisions in the context of our economy and our people, and i think he'll do a good job. there are just as many democrats who have angst about the democratic ticket as well as the republican ticket. i know my democratic friends think should biden be replaced by hillary clinton, i hear it all the time. some of them even say there's a little buyer's remorse with president obama. >> who do you hang out with? i know what you're talking about. i think you have a good point. i hear the same thing you hear. let's take a look at this. t

and then senator mitch daniels. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. >> chris: i'm chris wallace. the latest on the secret service sex scandal. is what happened in colombia an isolated incident or part of a pattern of misbehavior? we'll get answers from senator joe lieberman, chairman of the homeland security committee which is looking into the case. then is the recovery beginning to stall just as the agai genel election campaign takes shape? we will discuss one state's economic success story and who is on the short list to be mitt romney's running mate with indiana governor mitch daniels. also, government workers behaving badly. secret service agents and the spending spree by the gsa. we will ask our sunday panel if president obama will pay a political price for controversies on his watch, all right now on "fox news sunday." >> chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. investigators are still gathering evidence in that colombian sex scandal to determine if it was a one-time occurrence or somethin

was mitch daniel, romney probably second choice. >> my second was paul ryan.tle up a pose to force him not race. >> jon: -- there's no shame in third place. >> my third rass christie. (laughter) >> jon: my fourth was the ghost of dwight eisenhower. my fifth was the character of ron swanson on nbc's parks & recreation. my sixth was parliament funk delic george clinton. i really don't like mitt romney. so how are they going to make this pivot. sarah palin was not convinced that mitt romney is conservative enough. she told people to vote for newt gingrich, for god's sakes. is she convinced now, it's only been two months. >> i'm convinced. >> jon: okay, i guess she is convinced now. that is what i like about palin, open minded. so what convinced her? >> i am convinced that governor romney, will know to surround himself with those who inherently know to go right to err on the side of smaller, smarter government. and that gives me a lot of comfort. >> jon: basically she's saying don't trust romney. but i trust everyone he'll hire. yeah, that's what i-- it's like how

an outside-the-box pick would be susana martinez. >> i say rob portman because if it's mitch daniels, democrats will make the case that that's the day who is the architect of the bush budget that tanked the economy. i don't think romney wants to have that conversation. >> susan, game changer? >> i agree with karen. i think it's going to be someone like portman. >> thanks to all of you. you can follow up to the minute results from wisconsin's primary election tuesday night with our team right here on msnbc. >>> thousands of people attend a rally for trayvon martin refusing to back down until an arrest is made. will that happen? it's the big question. and i'm going to ask the sanford city manager, norton bonapart. >>> plus a maryland woman claims she's one of the three multimillion-dollar lottery winners and that she won't share the winnings with their mcdonald's co-workers. but we're hearing something different from state lotto officials. [ male announcer ] if you believe the mayan calendar, on december 21st polar shifts will reverse the earth's gravitational pull and hurtle us all int

is it someone that can bring a lati surge to the polls or meone like a tim pawlenty or mitch daniels. >> there's no doubt that romney, should he be the nominee, will have to broaden his appeal to hispanics. there's no way he or any republican can win with the numbers e way they are right now. that being said, i don't think they're looking to do some kind of crazy game changer. romney needs to pick -- if he's the -- >> game changer, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> if he's the nominee, he has to go with w suits him, too, which is someone safe and established, whether it's a mitch daniels or rob portman, someone who can show that they can lead. >> did i mention sarah palin's going to be on the "today" show tomorrow, 8:00 a.m.? john mccn in 2008 had problems sewing up the conservative vote which made him go with sarah palin over his preferred pick, which was senator joe lieberman. george bush picked the conservative dick cheney. bob dole with the fiscal hawk, jack kemp. as we look at the bush elder going with dan quayle, if you had a pick a top three for romn, who would they be? >> that's a really i

now, a lot of republicans want mitt romney to choose mitch daniels as his running mate. s from indianapolis to talk about that and an economic recovery that seems to be stalling is governor daniels. welcome back to "fox news sunday," sir. >> glad to be here. >> chris: you finally endorsed mitt romney this week. but here is what you said in an interview with the "indianapolis star." we'll put it on the screen. "you have to campaign to govern, not just to win. look at everything through the lens of folks who have yet to achieve. romney doesn't talk that way." question: is romney out of touch with americans who are struggling in this economy? >> no, i think he is much more in touch honestly than the president. apparently will ever be. he has been out there and roughed up in the primaries, been face to face with a really serious lingering economic difficulties america faces. if anybody is, you know, detached from the lives of real americans, if anybody is disconnected from where jobs and wealth comes from, it's our president. >> chris: if i may, though, sir, what did you mean

i think he's a straightforward guy -- no, he said, i love mitch daniels.hat sort of explains the situation. i think there are a lot of people in the party, including andy carr, who wanted somebody else examine they'll settle for mitt romney. >> let's make it tougher for you. a new nbc poll just came out. this is fascinating among the numbers. let's take a lookç at this. obama versus romney. look at these numbers. among latinos, take a look at this group. 69% to 22% among latinos. that's a pretty strong set of numbers there, 69 to 22. among younger voters, 18 to 34. 60% to 34%. women, 53% to 31%. independent voters, 31-34. these numbers almost triumphant for the president. how does mitt romney change the minds of latinos he's sort of been bashing all this campaign saying he wants them to self-deport. and younger people, how does he become hip? how does he convince women he's not from the yahoo party, and how does he get independents to vote for him when he's been a right winger. >> i feel it's very, very early. polls can't -- we're still months away from t

it cost us. >> mitch daniels and paul ryan are budget gurus.mastered a little bit of economic jargon they can throw at folks. i don't understand where expertise comes from in washington. i think it's in a jar of three musketeers. >> another point i love, mitt romney and the other side of the truth. you obviously covered him in massachusetts -- >> i covered one of him in massachusetts. >> right. >> i didn't cover the one out there now. i covered the other guy. >> that's what you say. there was a great deal of talk about how romney will pivot and move towards the center. this will undoubtedly being a towering truthless exercise and a piece of his towering truthless career seemed unworthy of discussion. this shall be one of the most stunning, shall we say pivots in history? >> yeah, it bothers me because it is not being discussed as something of a measure of this guy being as unprincipaled ooze he has been. and what that means. it is only being discussed as to whether or not it will work as a tactic. >> right. i hope it doesn't work as tactic. >>

why is mitch daniels saying this, and do you think the critique is correct?> it's very difficult as you know. when you make an hour speech or 35 minute speech and there is going to be a 40-second zippen there is an impression of a scenario drawn of a person that might not be the case. i think what the governor is saying you got to be very careful. you have to constantly emphasize that while you're concerned about jobs and concerned about building businesses, you have to explain why you're doing that, and that is people would not have to look to the future scared thinking they're going live worse than their parents did, but that they can have hope. the way do you that is translate it from a business schedule into a personal schedule, and that quite frankly is a problem for many of us. >> you're being self deprecated for saying many of us. i'm just listening to you for a couple of minutes. i'm betting that you are managing to do it. but they don't flow off the lips of mitt romney quickly or easily and you're saying use a different vocabulary, as mitch daniels w

success story and who is on the short list to be mitt romney's running mate with indiana governor mitch daniels. also, government workers behaving badly. secret service agents and the spending spree by the gsa. we will ask our sunday panel if president obama will pay a political price for controversies on his watch, all right now on "fox news sunday." >> chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. investigators are still gathering evidence in that colombian sex scandal to determine if it was a one-time occurrence or something more. so far, 22 members of the secret service and military have been implicated and six secret service agents have been forced out. joining us now to discuss where the don'ter is arecy goes -- controversy goes from here is senator joe lieberman chairman of the homeland security committee which oversees the secret service. thanks for joining us on "fox news sunday." >> good to be with you. >> chris: there is a report today that iran has reverse engineered the u.s. spy drone you can see it here on the screen that apparently crashed in iran and they captured last yea

then there's indiana governor mitch daniels. >> when william f buckley ran for mayor of new york, hed if he won, he would demand a recount. >>> the investigation into the secret service sex scandal in colombia continues to grow with some white house staffers involved. >> reporter: the secret service under scrutiny this past week, now a 12th agent has been put on leave. >> he is a problem. and he now equals the 12th problem among the 20 women, this individual, is a problem. >> reporter: on face the nation, senator lieberman said this agent was not staying at the now infamous hotel, but at the hilton, where president obama was going to stay. >> now we don't know at this point what that 12th agent is being charged with and why he's been put on administrative leave. but now you're into the hotel where the president of the united states was going to stay, and it just gets more troubling. >> reporter: many have asked if there is a pattern and culture of bad behavior. a former secret service director said no. >> that's not to say where we had situations where agents, officers got themselves

you have some people out there like marco rubio, mitch daniels, they were out in public talking to the media. they were asked about whether or not they would accept a vice presidential -- tradition is to say he would not accept. right now there is a very critical period. marco rubio is out front as being a leader on immigration issues. that may or may not help mitt romney. >> ok, sounds good. thank you. >> virginia state police have arrested more than three dozen people for voter fraud. investigation stems from 400 complaints. 26 of the cases have resulted in arrests and remain under investigation. the city with the most fraud cases -- >> president obama will speak tomorrow at the holocaust museum. he will also discuss how the u.s. is developing a strategy to prevent and respond to mass killings. >> this past week marks one year since floodwaters -- since then, it has been an uphill battle to get back in business. >> it was a year ago that flood walls were left open at washington harbour allowing the rise in potomac river to flood the high-end plaza. 12 feet of water rushed into the ar

. >> other names being thrown out there right now is mitch daniels, tim pawlenty, and condoleezza rice. they want to get voter reaction and it gives them time to look over a candidate's past. >> thank you. as you know, the president is doing well in the polls with young people. that does not do him any good unless they turn out at the polls. he is pulling out all the stops in his effort to keep student interest rate -- interest rates on student loans low. >> now is not the time to make schools more expensive for our young people. >> oh, yeah. ♪ >> the president said -- the president took part in the popular segment. unless congress acts. for july, rates will double to 68%. in>> back in the headlines, the white house -- he is now seeking political office. we have the details. >> we talked to a local home owner who had exactly this happened. that story is coming out. >> a beautiful day today. big changes coming tomorrow with a warm front and a cold front. i will tell you what to expect >> a military judge refused to dismiss charges against bradley manning. another separate motion to dism

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indiana governor mitch daniels will make a big announcement about the g.o.p. race. he's back in! >> he was never technically in. he did think about it. >> he would be a good number two. >> maybe that's it. stay tuned. meanwhile, the florida judge assigned to the george zimmerman trial expected to step down over possible conflict of interest. the circuit judge says her husband works with an attorney who referred zimmerman to his current lawyer and may have inside information. zimmerman charged with second-degree murder in the death of trayvon martin. a new judge expected to take over in time for his bail hearing which will be this friday in florida. >> and an appeals court upholding arizona's law requiring voters to show i.d. before voting. several groups fought against that law saying it was aimed at intimidating hispanics. the court says there's no evidence of that. the judgment did strike down a provision in the lawequiring voters to show proof of u.s. citizenship to vote in national elections. >> speaking of elections, we have a big one coming up in november and

we'll talk to indiana governor mitch daniels who is a frontrunner along with mcdonnell and rubio andaul ryan and rob portman of ohio and chris christie, i guess, but it's a pretty short list. indiana governor mitch daniels, great record of creating jobs in indiana, has turned a big deficit into a big sur plus. he's somebody that a lot of people wanted to run for president. now a lot of people want mitt romney to choose him for a running mate. >> let me ask you about the gop establishment. everyone seems to be getting on board behind mitt romney, john mccain giving a huge endorsement. what do you think this will mean moving forward for governor roll? i? >> look, i'm not sure how many -- governor romney? >> look, i'm not sure how many are really enthused, but 90% of republicans say they'll support him and if mitt romney can't unite the republican party, barack obama certainly can. i think the republican base will be solidly behind romney and the democratic base solidly behind obama and as usual about 10% will decide this election. i think it will be close. >> we will look forward to se

. >> pawlenty, mitch daniels, john thune? >> all safe. it would be an anti-charisma ticket. [laughter] that might work, given 2008. i think it should be marco rubio. assuming he passes the cleanliness test, he is the perfect candidate. hispanic, florida is a critical state, and he has a great story. >> romney is gone on hispanics. let's remember how romney ran against rick perry. he said he was too compassionate because he wanted the dream act in texas. somebody brought here against his or her will, joined the military, went to college, trying for citizenship. he did the same thing against newt gingrich. the problem with rob portman is bush. director, trade negotiator, and i don't think you want washington on your tickets. >> last word. see you next week.

. >> safe choices -- pawlenty, mitch daniels, john thune. >> all safe. lcomplete anti-charisma at ticket. [laughter] might work, considering who we elected in 2008. marco rubio -- look, i am sure there are a lot ofeopl in that have been looking at his past. i think he is the perfect candidate. hispanic, florida is a critical state, and he has a great story. >> romney is gone on hispanics. remember how romney ran against rick perry. rick perry had been too compassionate because he wanted the dream act and had supported . somebo brought here against his or her will, joined the military, went to college, once citizenship. the problem with rob portman is bush. to director, a trade negotiator, and you don't want washington under ticket. >> see you next week.

mitch daniels came out and said, "romney is campaigning to win, not as he would govern." he is not speaking to the people he needs to speak to, young people, poor people, to say "i can bring you into the system." he is just going to people with the big bucks. >> i am with nina on this. the get-out-the-vote stuff, it is unbelievable how fine it is. karl rove was able to find a certain voters. this fine-tuning, both campaigns do it, certain voters in certain places. that can spell the difference. >> in a poll, condoleezza rice came in first, then chris christie, marco rubio, paul ryan. marco rubio says no thanks. >> you never believe that. >> rubio has his own version of the dream act where he would give us some children of undocumented immigrants legal status. >> if rubio passes in the vetting process -- assuming he does, he will be the obvious choice. if he says no thanks, he will have a horse's head in his bed and the next day he will accept. [laughter] romney will not take no for an answer. we have ways, we republicans. >> years ago i was interviewing teddy white and i

. >> even with these endorsements, like mitch daniels, it is sort of damning with fain praise. mih daniels came out this week and said, "look romomney is campaigning to win, not as he would govern." he is not speakiking t the pple he needs to speak to, young people, poor people, to say i hahave a program to bring you i in the system. he is just talking to the guys who can y big bucksks. >> i am with nina on this. the get out the vote stuff, unbelievable how fine this is. karl rove was able to find voters about certain type, and both campaigns do this now. finding a specific voters in specific places. 10 make the dfererence -- that can make aifference. . >> poll -- police arrest came in first, then it chris christie, -- condoleezza rice me in rst, then chrishristie, marco rubio, paul ryayan. marco rubio says no thanks. >> you never believe that. >> rubio is coming up with his own version othe dream act. if rubio passes the veing process -assuming hehe does, he is the obvious choice. if he says he does not want it, he will find a horse's head in his bed and the next day he will a

. >> and those that you mentioned, mitch daniels, a sort of damned with faint praise. "romney is campaigning to win, not as he would govern." to say to young people or poor people, i can bring you into the system -- he is talking to people with fund-raising. able to goove was down an interstate of ohio and find voters are certain type. the fine-tuning, both campaigns and do this now. finding the specific places, that can make the difference. >> in a cnn poll, condoleezza rice came in first. chris christie, marco rubio, paul ryan. rubio said no thanks. >> you never believe that. >> but the dream act, giving undocumented children some legal status -- >> if rubio passes the vetting test and he says no thanks, he will find a horse's head in his bed. [laughter] >> many years ago, in reviewing the great te -- interviewing the great teddy white, i asked him a question, and he said, "the cardinal rule of politics is that you cannot look around corners." what are the other announced, evan -- other unknowns, evan? >> months ago we thought it would be iran. david ignatius had an

service storys. >> thank you. >> up next, indiana governor mitch daniels joins us to talk about the economic recovery and whether he will be mitt romney's running mate. >>chris: a lot of republicans wanted indiana governor daniel dozen run for president and now a lot of republicans want mitt romney to choose daniels as the running mate and here to talk about that, here is governor daniels. welcome back to fox news sunday, sir. >>guest: glad to be here. >>chris: you endorsed romney this week but here is what you said in an interview with the indianapolis star here is what you said in an inkjet view. you have to campaign to govern not just to win. look at everything through the lense of folks who have yet to a achieve. romney doesn't talk that way. question, is romney out of touch with americans who are struggling in this economy? >> no, i think he is much more in touch honestly than the president apparently will ever be. he has been out there and roughed up in the primaries and been face to face with the serious lingering economic difficulties america faces. if anybody is detached from the li

his wife was partially disabled, got laid off by a state job, those budget cuts, governor mitch daniels from it. they fell behind, they got a modified mortgage under the obama administration's program and then that was rejected. so they got billed the back payments, they ended up in bankruptcy. the bank had the house, he left the keys on the kitchen table and then the city got him on a citation for tall grass on a house that the bank then owned. what will do we say to people like this who have done their part and are now losing all faith in america? >> you know, it's hard to explain it to people like him. i was talking to him at that house at 1900 west 10th street in south muncie, indiana. and he's out there cutting his grass hoping that will he would have a chance some dale to buy it back from the bank. here's a guy who every institution that should be protecting him, his city government, national government, the bank, the media, everyone in na town that should have been protecting him somehow didn't and yet he still has hope that maybe he can get his house back, that maybe at the very

. >> mitch daniels was once a serious contender for the republican party's nomination. but he lacked support among the conservative base. he believes the party's focus on social issues could doom its prospects in november. >> our party could be doing a lot better. sometimes i say, given the failure of his policies, a weak economy, high energy prices, it would be hard to lose an election to president obama. but we have just the team that could do it. >> that is not how looks in ohio. among these middle-class voters, the religious right will take the battle for the party's soul right up until november. this group of activist lobbies tirelessly for the heartbeat bill. >> the doctor has to show the one and a heart be on the ultrasound. if that heartbeat is detected, the baby is protected from the abortion. >> why is the heart be so important? >> all over the world, the citadel -- the citadel is whether or not there is a heartbeat. >> politically, they are purists. they are determined to keep abortion at the center of the election regardless of the consequences. you would ra

if mitt romney would spend time with brian and mitch daniel the party will clarify it's description ofhe proper role of government. romney i think is capable of carrying that forward. >> paul: we have to take one more break. hits and misses of the week when we come back. rsting with more f. [ crunches ] mmm. ♪ [ male announcer ] pringles... bursting with more flavor. [ crunch! ] ♪ i have two products in front of you. we are going to start with product x. this is a very affordable product that will help save you a, lot of money. i like it.. i like it too. this is product y. this is a much more expensive product. you will not see a lot of savings with this one... harsh. you chose geico and you did not choose their competitor. was this your first car insurance taste test? >> paul: time for hits and misses of the week. james, first to you. >> the hit to the president. kudos to president obama signing the jobs act. it will make it easier for companies to raise capital. >> and with win for freeman, he has been writing it about two for he years. >> this is hit to landon crabtree, the family w

. >> paul: now governor mitch daniels very popular governor, two terms in indiana he is backing luger daniels worked in dick luger's office for a number of years. but mr. daniels also feels that can reach across the aisle. >> paul: so what does this tell us about the culture of modern republican party. the condition of the party, the debate inside the party? >> well, it's the famous battle between the insurgents and so-called establishment. we saw this all through presidential primary. there are groups like freedom works who think that the republican party ought to be more clearly conservative than it is. i think that is perfectly legitimate position and the fight is they have targeted orrin hatch and luger and did defeat bennett in out zbluipt luger is very popular in indiana. he is legend in the state politics. so this is kind of a case against of his popularity against the sort of insurgent energy of people who want a more a little different edge for the republican party to fight harder for ideas? >> with mordock is coming up against, it's hard to beat up on grandpa. [ laughter ] >