but those other guys,-- the one person it might not be true of is mitch daniels. mitch daniels was bush's budget director that say negative against him. >> rose: same with rob portman. >> but i think mitch daniels may have been the one who could have matched up very well with the president on this score. and been considered an acceptable, a more than acceptable alternative. >> rose: jeb bush, what was his limiting factor other than the fact that his brother -- >> of not wanting to run or why he would have been weak. >> rose: yeah, assuming that he had gotten a nomination. >> on paper i think we have been very tongue-- very strong. i think the bush issues might have tied him up. but i think-- . >> rose: i think america is smarter than that. they will not blame him whether they like the brother or not. >> i think we have been real strong. i don't think he considered him so i put him in a different category. he didn't have the fire in the belly. but had he had, i think jeb bush would have been a superstrong candidate. >> rose: do you know who agrees with that. >> dav

why did we bring mitch daniels and tie him to the chair and how he was able to provide state employeespercent less than the year before. and he did that with a high deductible health plan that he funded and then the governor found something intriguing. something happens when they spend their own money for health care. >> mitch daniels governor of indiana and governors who are utterly scared to death if they implement all of the tef of obama regarding medicare, the first couple of years federal government will pick >> doctor, what is the fundmental plan of any real reform that is good for the patients? even if it is not good for the doctors and helps and vendors, what is good for the patients out there? >> thanks for asking. it is time for somebody to ask the doctors. >> somebody had to do it and i thought it would be me. >> indeed. first of the all doctors, we acknowledge that health insurance is absolutely important and we believe that everybody needs insurance. but be clear. insurance is not assurance was anything. insurance needs to be that thing that you ownto protect you from the

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why did we bring mitch daniels and tie him to the chair and how he was able to provide state employeespercent less than the year before. and he did that with a high deductible health plan that he funded and then the governor found something intriguing. something happens when they spend their own money for health care. >> mitch daniels governor of indiana and governors who are utterly scared to death if they implement all of the tef of obama regarding medicare, the first couple of years federal government will pick sleep train's inventory clearance sale is ending soon. save 10%, 20%, even 35% on a huge selection of simmons and sealy clearance mattresses. get 2 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. even get free delivery! sleep train stacks the savings high to keep the prices low. but hurry, the inventory clearance sale is ending soon. superior service, best selection, lowest price, guaranteed. ♪ sleep train ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >> doctor, what is the fundmental plan of any real reform that is good for the patients? even if it is not good for the doctors and

why did we bring mitch daniels and tie him to the chair and how he was able to provide state employeespercent less than the year before. and he did that with a high deductible health plan that he funded and then the governor found something intriguing. something happens when they spend their own money for health care. >> mitch daniels governor of indiana and governors who are utterly scared to death if they implement all of the tef of obama regarding medicare, the first couple of years federal government will pick tup and then after that tell wipe them out. wow, your hair looks great. didn't realize they did photoshop here. hey, good call on those mugs. can't let 'em see what you're drinking. you know, i'm glad we're both running a nice, clean race. no need to get nasty. here's your "honk if you had an affair with taylor" yard sign. looks good. [ male announcer ] fedex office. now save 50% on banners. thank you, mr. speaker, uh, members of congress. in celebration of over 75 years of our government employees insurance company, or geico...as most of you know it. ...i propose savings for

and i always wondered why in the world did we bring mitch daniels in and tie him to the chair until hee beans how he was able to provide insurance for state employees, 11% and did that with a high plan that he funded and something magic happens when people spend money for health care and people their own money to begin with. >> mike: now, mitch daniels the governor of indiana and other governors are scared to death if they implement all of the terms of obamacare, medicare, in a couple of years the federal government won't pick it up and they're on their own and it will wipe them out. to take up to four in a day. or take aleve, which can relieve pain all day with just two pills. good eye. [ chuckles ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ male announcer ] now you'll know when to stop. [ hk! ] the all-new nissan altima with easy fill tire alert. [ honk! ] it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪ >> let's talk, what would you say needs to be the fundamental plan of any real reform that's good for the patience? you know, what's not good for the doctors or

if you look at someone like mitch daniels. mitch daniels -- he attracted a surprisingly high share of the african-american and latino vote in his state. he is someone who talked about conservative ideas. he rolled back collective bargaining rights in his state. in prosaic ways that were not very ideologically charged. people that share his proclivities recognized him as one of them. on the other hand, he was able to reach beyond the base -- this is a very basic level -- of how to improve the provision of services. he was deeply interested in the workings of the medicaid program. and making it more accessible and improving its workings and containing costs. so i think that is a very attractive model. i think all lot of conservatives think, what would a dentils campaign have looked like? he has a lot of liabilities -- what would ed daniels campaign look like? on the other hand, it would have been an interesting contrast with the president. >> you noted the my narrative share of the eligible voter possible -- it is not clear whet

. >> i think mitch daniel in indiana of terrific, pushing the -- >> he did a great job of reforming education >> i don't care if you are democrat or republican. i want to know you will do right by your kids. lou: i could not agree with you more. and that is a real challenge, i am delighted you are working on that very important issue. great to be with you. >> thank you. lou: joel klein, up next, a joe biden criticism of governor romney bac backfiring when hight confused. when he forgot what the boss said about this, that is next, coming up tomorrow. and wall street legend, tomorrow be with us, stay with us, a short, short commercial break, i [ male announcer ] let's say you need to take care of legal matters. wouldn't it be nice if there was an easier, less-expensive option than using a traditional lawyer? well, legalzoom came up with a better way. we took the best of the old and combined it with modern technology. together you get quality services on your terms, with total customer support. legalzoom documents have been accepted in all 50 states, and they're backed by a 100% satisfaction gua

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you can look at a lot of republicans didn't run and wonder what might have been, mitch daniels, chris christie, some others, but of those on the stage, mitt romney had the experience. he had the background as running before. he had the money. he was really -- and this is what got him through the primaries, the candidate who republicans believed had the best chance of beating barack obama in a general election. >> i want to put you in a difficult position, make you a republican spin doctor for a moment. you're the guy who's been charged now with trying to resuscitate the romney campaign. you've got him in a room, it's you and him, man-to-man. what do you say to him? >> you got nothing left to lose. you've got to go out there in the next six and a half, seven weeks, and show people a few things. one, show them your heart, show them your passion. number two, you got to show them your agenda for what you're going to do as president, more specifics. it may be uncomfortable but you've got to give people something to hold on to. and number three, and this is going to be huge, october 3rd, yo

, where is rick scott, where is snyder from michigan, where is walker from wisconsin, which is mitch danielsindiana? where are all these governors who have been attacking barack obama but they won't stand up for mitt romney right now and this is a political crisis for him right now. where is the chris christies of the world? what do you think? >> even ohio government kasich has indicated recently that he does not agree with the romney criticism of 47% of americans. >> they're running for the hills. >> they're running for the hills. and they should because, you know, they're going to be pulled down by this guy and candidates for the senate, candidates for the house, they see what's coming. a tsunami is coming unless this man is able to turn this around. and, ed, he spoke from his heart when he criticized 47% of americans. it was not a slip of the tongue. he revealed the true romney. and he gave us evidence of what many of us have thought about this man for a long, long time. he is concerned about the wealthy and i think he has a lack of capacity to understand what life is like for just regula

, where is rick scott, where is snyder from michigan, where is walker from wisconsin, where is mitch daniels from indiana? where are all these governors who have been attacking barack obama but they won't stand up for mitt romney right now and this is a political crisis for him right now. where is the chris christies of the world? what do you think? >> even ohio governor kasich has indicated recently that he does not agree with the romney criticism of 47% of americans. >> they're running for the hills. >> they're running for the hills. and they should because, you know, they're going to be pulled down by this guy and candidates for the senate, candidates for the house, they see what's coming. a tsunami is coming unless this man is able to turn this around. and, ed, he spoke from his heart when he criticized 47% of americans. it was not a slip of the tongue. he revealed the true romney. and he gave us evidence of what many of us have thought about this man for a long, long time. he is concerned about the wealthy and i think he has a lack of capacity to understand what life is like for just re

if you look at mitch daniels, maybe the model for intelligent, effective reform at the state level.e reasons to believe the underlying system is healthier than washington. my point is, whoever the winner is should put on their scheduled that half their time from that date to the inaugural is spent with all the members of the opposition party, not the leadership, but listenly literally to all the members -- if romney wins he needs to listen to democrats. if obama wins he needs to listen to republicans. they have to reestablish human ties in order to have a genuine opportunity for real compromise. >> they also need to listen to the country, because if you read polls from the country, 80% of the people will say lobbyists have too much power, and 65% of the people will say raise the tax rates at the top. they'll say spend more money on jobs and education. and things like that. so washington's not listening to the country. it's very busy with itself. >> schieffer: i'm listening to the control room. they say our time is up. i'll be back with some final thoughts. thank you. was trapped. no

but there have been governors in states of ohio, kasich, state of indiana, mitch daniels, state of virginiannell who have improved the economy in the teeth of the recession and devol patrick hasn't. so my question to the governor should he decide to come on the program and that would be when hell freezes over is i don't think this is a guy you want to criticize when your record is worse, deer citizen, am i wrong. >> they were very different times. i will give mitt romney credit where credit is due. he did a lot of good things when he was governor. balancing the budget someone of those things. marianne is right. there were a lot of cuts that occurred. unfortunately when you need to balance the budget, you have to make cuts. and so i think that i would give him credit for that. the area where he gets the most valid criticism, i think, is the jobs situation. we hear all time that he was, you know, massachusetts' 47th in the country in terms of creating jobs during difficult economic time. so that's what's really relevant right now. right now he is saying that he is -- >> bill: that stat is bog

mitch daniels also attracted a surprisingly high share of the african-american and latino vote in his state, but he talked about very conservative ideas, he also kind of rolled back collective bargaining rights in his state. in very prosaic ways that were not very idealogically charged, yet people who shared his proclivities recognized him as one of them, but on the other hand he was able to reach beyond that base by talking about things, again this basic level of how do we improve the provision of services. and he also was kind of deeply interested in the workings of the medicaid program and also making it more accessible and also improving its workers and containing the it costs. so i think that is a very attractive model, and i also think like a lot of conservatives i often think what would a daniels campaign looked like? he kind of has a lot of liabilities, not a terribly charismatic guy, on the other hand, it would have been an interesting contrast with the president, so it's an open question. >> can i ask you a question? >> can is ask away. >> he's on the panel. >> you noted the

if you look at mitch daniels, for example, he talked about very conservative ideas. he will back collective bargaining rights at the the history. -- he rolled back collective bargaining rights in his stae. he was able to reach beyond that base and talk about how to improve the provision of services. he was deeply interested in the workings of the medicaid program. and making it more accessible. i think that is a very attractive model. unlike the conservatives i often think we to what would a daniels campaign would have looked like? he has a lot of liabilities. on the other hand, it would add in a very interesting contrast to the president. -- it would have been a very interesting contrast to the president regrets the minority share of the voter is up. how closely does the growth in the edp track with the change in the electorate? all the mitt romney numbers count on the number being as high as it was. when you see its report increase -- when you see an increase in minorities. >> the reason why the minority share of voters has increased two points every four years is

someone like mitch daniels, for example. he had a higher share of african and latino vote, but he is someone who talked about very conservative ideas. he also rolled back to collective bargaining and has stayed. and very prosaic ways, were not very ideologically charged. yet people recognized him as one of them, but on the other hand he was able to reach beyond the base by talking about things at the basic level of how to improve the provision of services. he also was deeply interested in the workings of the medicaid program, for example and make it more accessible and improving. so i think that is a very tracked to model and i also think a lot of conservatives think what would a have looked like? he has a lot of liabilities and that's not a terribly charismatic guy. on the other hand, it would've been an interesting contrast with the president. >> you know, you noted the minority share of the eligible voter population at three points, but she also noted it's not clear whether that would be reflected in the actual electorate

people like jeb bush, mitch daniels, marco rubio, chris christie, just to show he's not in this alonestion, what does mitt romney have to do to right the ship? wolf. >>> jack, thank you. some vindication for president obama's attorney general. the inspector general finds in a new report that eric holder was not informed of the botched gun trafficking operation known as fast and furious until after the death of a u.s. border patrol agent. 14 atf employees are now facing possible disciplinary action. two others faulted in the report are leaving the justice department. joining us now is cnn's senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin, the author of a brand new book entitled "the oath" the obama white house and the supreme court. an excellent book. i'll talk about it in a moment. let's get your quick reaction to this inspector general report. what do you make of this? >> well, it summarizes what a lot of us knew and expected, that this was a very ill conceived operation, it was botched at the local level. but it is not a national scandal. there was not a cover-up or any sort of wrongdoing in wa

that is one reason for governors have an advantage because the governor, someone like mitch daniels also tracked a high percentage of the latino vote, but he is someone who talked about conservative ideas. he also rolled back in the state and very prosaic ways that were not very ideologically charged, yet people are shared recognized him as one of them. but on the other hand, he was able to reach beyond the base by talking about things at the basic level of how to improve the provision of services. he also is deeply interested in the workings of the medicaid program, for example and also improving. so i think that is an attractive model and i think like a lot of conservatives, and often think what would he daniels campaign have looked like? weakness is not a charismatic guy. it would've been a very interesting contrast for the president. >> you know, you noted the minority share of the algebra voter population is the three points, but she also noted it's not clear if that will be reflected in the actual lecture. how closely does the growth in the edp track with the change in the lecture?

if you look at someone like mitch daniels, for example, and he also had a higher share of the african and latino vote in the state but he is someone that has talked about the jury conservative ideas and he also ruled backed the republican employees in the state and in a very prosaic way that wasn't a ideologically charged yet people who shared his theological progress of the recognized but on the other hand he was able to reach across by talking about things that is a very basic level of how to improve the provision of services. he also was deeply interested in the working of the medicaid program, for example make it more accessible and improving its cost so that is a very attractive model and i also think like a lot of conservatives what would the daniels campion have looked like? he kind of has a lot of liability and weakness and he's not a terribly charismatic guy but on the other hand and would have been an interesting contrast with the president. >> any questions? >> you know, you noted the minority share of the eligible voter population is up three points from 2,000 but you also