we have purdue president, former governor, mitch daniels. e also have with us "new york times" columnist frank brownie. she out with where you go is not who you'll be. for too many children getting into a highly selective school isn't a challenge a yes or no from amherst or dartmouth or duke is seen as the conclusive measure of a young person's worth, a finding verdict on the life that he or she has until that point, an uncontestable har bengalser of the successes or disappointments to him co. this is the great brutal calling. what madness and what nonsense. is it nonsense? >> it is nonsense. we're giving kids the message what happens on a couple days in late march or early april within they get these notices will determine the rest of their lives. >> four years seems like a lot, doesn't it? >> and there are great four years, college is an amazing opportunity. we turned it into something else by infusing the process of getting into college with all this anxiety. i'm trying to change the conversation to have you use it to your best advantage.

the head of angie's list was mitch daniel's campaign manager just ten years ago. the republican party has this argument ten years ago and they had a choice between a social conservative and a business conservative. they went with a business conservative. a lot of people who supported mitch daniels financial and otherwise are speaking out very loudly. a lot of them are republicans. there is some division. quite honestly there's a small group that seems to be very vocal on this issue, but for the most part there was very little push for this. the three lobbyists you mentioned at the beginning, they truly were driving this. there wasn't this upswell of support for this bill. it was being pushed from within a small group of the party. >> if there was just a small group of lobbyists who were the drivers behind this bill how did it get passed? tim? >> it passed because i think within the republican caucus there is an unduly amount of sway that those individuals hold. the evangelical wing of the party does hold a lot of clout. unfortunately, it's brought us into this ter

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gerri: we talked to mitch daniels of purdue, he's sliced all kinds of costens anded annual tuition hikes and said we're not doing it anymore. >> i have an idea how can you cut costs significantly. ask the average tenure professor to add one more class they're teaching each professor. that would save millions for the universities, but the university professors will never go for that. the average university professor is teaching four hours a week. gerri: golden hand cuffs. the teacher's assistants do all the heavy lifting. >> they're getting pay the 150 to $200,000. i want one of those jobs. gerri: it's a nice way of life. steve thank you. >> okay. gerri: still a lot more to come this hour, including a legal debate whether confederate flags should be allowed on license plates. >>> next, colleges are forced to cut tuition to get students in the seats. one law school is taking tuition cuts to a whole new level. stay with us. man: ♪ this new mom is struggling ♪ ♪ to get the skates just right ♪ ♪ now she's holding on for dear life ♪ announcer: you don't have to be perfect to be a perfect paren

joining us now mitch daniels. he's now president of purdue university. can make a little wager off the air if you like joe. >> that's illegal. actually, your team did hit its stride, didn't it? february? beat ohio state, iowa, and indiana. >> good. you're paying close attention. yeah. it's a very young team. got steadily better during the year. you wouldn't want to draw us in the tournament. >> yeah. okay. but gave penn state a run too. i watched that game. penn state finally prevailed, didn't they last weekend? >> no. actually they didn't. they played us tough twice. they played very, very well, penn state. but we did win by five. >> i didn't see the end of that. let me ask you. you're watching what goes on in washington. business as usual. makes a university job look pretty good at this point, i guess, doesn't it? any reason for hope with the latest budget wranglings? >> oh hope springs eternal. but really this affects universities like it does all of us americans. and one hopes that eventually our decision makers in both parties will get serious about

former indiana governor and purdue university president mitch daniels testified, quote it's migrate hope that this congress will have the courage to see the challenges and treat re-authorization of the higher education act as an opportunity for reform, end quote. he continued, the country needs the re-authorization that will reduce the costs of higher education's regulatory burdens, simplify and improve student aid and create an environment more conducive to innovation and higher education, end quote. dr. kristin keller, vice president of the association of public and land grant universities stressed the need for access to clear, meaningful data to answer questions and provide essential information for higher education stakeholders. for student and families to make more informed decisions about where to attend college, for policy makers to determine allocation of public resources and evaluate institutional effectiveness. and for college leaders to facilitate innovation and successful student outcomes. after outlining several opportunities for simplifying federal aid, mr. pikeal bennett a

i worked for mitch daniels. he was about the most responsive person there was.t was a big or small issue, he got back to you right away. that carried on throughout the white house. >> by the way, in the book, he talked about combing through. you get a lot of junk e-mail you can't respond to that. there's software you can get to make the top e-mails go to the top. you also say don't overanalyze. make a decision. even if you have imperfect data, make a decision. what did you learn about that? >> the rule of thumb i was always taught, is a good decision now is better than a perfect decision in two days. look, data is important. we got to analyze things and make our decisions based on sound analysis. a lot of people like to postpone their decisions in favor of more analysis. frankly what that leads to is paralysis by analysis. >> is that like the president saying he had a gut instinct and goes with the quick decision. >> it doesn't matter if it's the white house, you've got to be able to make decisions. you have to be able to develop the instincts to make good decis