mitchell on the whatous panel talked about she thought was a sham process. have you seen anything like that in your investigation? i am going to ask mr. bachman. >> have seen that in some investigations and are taking a closer look at those when we see them. these types of investigations can be difficult to prove as pretext for retaliation sometimes, but we are seeing that as an emerging trend, and it is something we are focusing we aremaking sure that gathering all the evidence we can to see exactly why was this undertaken. >> thank you. dr. tuchschmidt, are you aware 2013, the. program in stop the lying program? >> i am not sure which program you are talking about because stop the line is part of the lien technology process. there are many -- >> as i understand it, it is a way to encourage v.a. employees when something is going on where you would expect certain quality. >> many have adopted it on their own. but as part of our patient safety program, we have a stop the line timeout process. and this is, particularly true in our procedure based areas. any employee who feels something is not like before something is happening to the patient ca