. >> mitchell twiner, international religious liberties soeshs office. a question that goes to credibility transparency, reliability. the moderate groups that you referenced, the question is -- to what degree does their position at opting the variety reflect a true change of heart and mind? do they accept some degree of toleration and diversity and all of those things as the ultimate good or is this simply a tactical grudgingly accepted position that acknowledgement of current reality? >> okay. >> so that, you know, it's a good question. it's frankly an old question. one that has been answered many times before. well -- time will tell, of course. we don't know if these groups are exactly, completely changed their hearts and their minds in that regard, but one thing that we know imperrickly from the historical record is that radical groups can moderate. we have communist groups in europe. many have made historical compromises to be able to fit within the political systems they're in. we've had green parties that started out quite radical and today they're