was how close mitt romney keen to those rioters those protesters mitt romney has been a vocal critic of donald trump and who knows what would've happened if any of them had managed to get their hands on him but eugene goodman who is a police officer at capitol hill police officer managed to direct mitt romney away from where he was heading to safety and perhaps in those few seconds captured on video as one democrat said perhaps you saw the moment that eugene goodman saved mitt romney's life essentially something that his son believes because mitt romney tweeted mitt romney's son tweeted that just in the last hour that was the actions of that police officer that perhaps saved his father's life. allan it's interesting isn't it because while the last hour says and focused on what exactly happened on january 6th the hours before that had been going so far back as july before the election trying to outline. that it's. that this didn't just happen on january 6th that trump had been inciting his followers long before this. allegedly inciting i think we're going to see because the defense wi

really amazing seeing mitt romney run like that. clearly officer goodman may very well have saved mitt romney's life. we have new reaction this morning and new reporting on what the house managers intend to present today. this is having an impact outside the senate chamber. cnn has learned more than 120 former officials are forming a new antitrump party, wing of the republican party. we're going to speak to one of the republicans later this hour. let's go to lauren fox on capitol hill. so many republicans, so many senators lived through this, you get the sense there's almost a level of shock this morning as the case is laid out before them. >> reporter: that's exactly right, john. that is going to continue today as house managers make more of their case. they'll have another eight hours to present evidence on the senate floor this afternoon. yes, this was a gripping, chilling account of what lawmakers went through but many of them just learning for the first time how narrowly they escaped an encounter with that mob. house prosecutor

mitt romney. with mitt romney that if donald trump chooses to run again, he'll win the nomination in 2024? >> i do agree with mitt romney. today, that would be the case. now over the next few years, maybe donald trump will diminish as a political figure and that could change but right now, mitt romney is right. donald trump would win the nomination. >> let's talk about mike pence and his future. he reportedly wants to run for president. you know, i -- when a friend sends a blood-thirsty mob after me, that wants to hang me, i rethink that friendship. but mike pence sounds like he's different and has reportedly said that he harbor nos no ill l and they have a close personal friendship. what does this tell you about the future for mike pence and about how everybody is supposed to co-exist with donald trump looming? >> alisyn, never underestimate an ambitious politician's tolerance for these types of indignities. we remember, too, donald trump called senator cruz's wife ugly and accused his father of

. >> o'donnell: and the heroic actions of capitol police officer eugene goodman, turning senator mitty away from the mob. plus, police bodycam video shows rioters attacking officers with hockey sticks and flagpoles. new mask guidelines. the c.d.c. says wearing a double mask adds significantk ge protection. the new research tonight.s back to school. teachers in the third largest district agree to go back to the classroom for the first time in nearly a year. plus, is president biden backing away from his promise to get kids back to school in his first 100 days? president biden visits the pentagon. his new task force to deal with china; and grappling with racism and extremism in the military. preparing for record cold. ice in the south, snow in the northeast and midwest. what you need to know. rescued. how three people survived on a deserted island for 33 days. and, the covid quilt. an inspirational little girl who wanted to honor the americans lost to coronavirus. this is the "cbs evening news" with norah o'donnell, reporting from the nation's capital. >> o'donnell: good evening to our

a hero police officer saving mitt romney from a run-in with the mob. just how close the mob got. >>> this morning, new reaction from senate republicans. will this influence whether they vote to convict former president trump and what's ahead for day three of his impeachment trial. >>> also this morning, the messy morning commute for millions. an icy mix of snow, sleet and rain for much of the east and new video after a plane slides off the taxiway at a major airport. >>> new developments in the ivy league murder case. was a yale student killed over a road rage incident? the mit grad identified as a person of interest. >>> new questions about bruce springsteen's drunk driving arrest. what we've learned about his blood alcohol level. >>> the social media firestorm surrounding one of the stars of "the mandalorian." why she's now been fired. >>> and did he go overboard celebrating? the shocking video of tom brady in tampa. >>> good thursday morning, everyone. we begin with the emotional and graphic testimony during former president trump's impeachment tria

we have also heard from republican senator mitt romney, coming out with a plan of his own.enator coming out with a ambitious child care tax credit. $550 per child per month in cash benefits to families. it would begin mid pregnancy and would be offset with eliminating --, but it is an interesting proposal getting a lot of attention right now. caroline: a load of attention, when we don't think about this jobs report, but last jobs report, where every single job lost in the month of december was a woman's job on the back of it. real focus now, of course, on caregiving in particular and what the ramifications are in terms of that. joe: joining us with washington -- from washington with more, director of welfare policy at the ms -- center. thank you so much for joining us . how is giving a check to families every single month for the number of children they have, how is it a conservative proposal? >> the way i think about this is , for a long time, conservatives had a sort of antigovernment orientation focused on the quantitative side rather than the qualitative side. what mitt

unfortunately mitt romney is not in the republican party. i wish he was. those kind of republicans absolutely are moderating, but the rest of them -- and this is to your immediate question, they really aren't in the business of doing anything. what do they believe in? aside from the ten republicans who went to the white house with a smallish to tiny plan for rescue, the republicans don't believe in anything right now. they don't believe that politics is a transactional business. it's all about identity. the need to control power is because they convinced without it they're doomed. western civil investigation is doomed and white christianity is doomed unless they hold power so it is no longer act policies at all. it's simply about inflaming the base and making their own election a prerequisite of the continuation of life as they know it in america for their base. >> as i noted in the essay, part of that -- again, maybe i'm giving too much credit -- there's a core that isn't wrong. when rally-goers look at the commanding heights of american culture are not r

mitt romney being told the mob is coming that way, turn around. you see mitt romney running, really for his life because he knew there was real risk and after seeing this video, romney recognized it was officer goodman and thanked him personally. you're seeing officer goodman is one of the real heroes of this attack and, you know, talking about someone who deserves a statue built in statuary hall, maybe look at honoring him. >> all right. house impeachment manager eric swalwell, he mentions that other senators came within steps of the insurrectionists while evacuating. tell us how close they got and what the video shows. >> 58 paces is what eric swalwell said. he counted it out himself. and over and over again, we saw variations of that video with mitt romney. we saw chuck schumer and his security detail being led away. f and then turning back. the evacuation of saeenators do the stairwell while the mob is in the building looking for people to attack. and many of these folks were explicitly talking about attacking and targeting and hunting senior

you >> take a snapshot of the republican party right now, it's clear that to the extent there is a mitt romney way it's very small. even increasingly at the state level you saw that ralph portman is going to be running for reelection in the senate and the overwhelming majority of the representation in congress is more in that trunk wing. you saw that in the 20/20 election and the vote in the senate to declare the impeachment trial unconstitutional in that bill. i'm not super optimistic and i'm not optimistic not only because of that representational in balance but also the incentive structures of the party, of the media ecosystem and of these economic systems in which conservatism and right-wing politics exist. are all pushing in the direction of moving even further i don't know how we want to do this directionally, further to the right or further into trumpism or further into whatever direction the party has been heading for a while now and you see that in something like, it had a choice after the election of doesn't want to murder move in a news your direction or doesn't want to proce

videos show top politicians like mike pence house speaker nancy pelosi and mitt romney fleeing as the riots this warmed the building neither side denies the siege happened but the war of words inside the senate has been over whether it was trump's words that were to blame this impeachment is completely divorced from the facts the evidence and the interests of the american people the president's remarks explicitly encourage those in attendance to exercise their rights to peacefully and. donald trump tells a crowd as he did under a 6 fight like now where you're not going to have a country anymore he meant for them to fight like hell. january 6th speech did not cause the riots the president did not cause the riots in either explicitly or implicitly encourage the use of violence or lawless action the attack was done for donald trump at his instructions and to fulfill his wishes the due process part should be enough to give anybody who loves our constitution and loves our country great pause to do anything but acquit donald trump if you think this is not impeachable what is. what would be

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officer goodman passes senator mitt romney and directs him to turn around in order to get to safety. on the first floor, just beneath them, the mob had already started to search for the senate chamber. officer goodman made his way down to the first floor, where he encountered the same insurrectionists we just saw watch breach the capitol. in this video, we can see the rioters surge toward officer goodman. recall that the rioters are in red and officer goodman, in this model, is in blue. watch officer goodman, who backs up the stairs. [ crowd noise ] [ crowd noise ] >> you work for us! >> where is that meeting at? >> hey where do they [ bleep ]. the votes? hey, where do they count the votes? [ bleep ] where they count them? where they count them? these people, these people. [ crowd noise ] >> these people have no weapons. [ bleep ] [ bleep ] >> house manager eric swalwell showed the senators how close they came to being caught by the invaders of the capitol. >> this new security footage of the senators and staff leaving the chamber will be displayed on the screens. it is silent. as yo

primary before you run for a general, and if ron johnson were to take a position ala mitch mcconnell or mitt romney or adam kinzinger, if he admitted trump supporters raided the capitol, domestic terrorists who put their lives in danger and he were to vote his conscience on that, it would mean that he would risk the wrath of trump in a primary, and we know that that's going to

today we rightly applaud mitt romney for his political courage, but it is worth recalling when he was running for president in 2012, he craved donald trump's endorsement. when he got it, he gushed.

so to them, mitt romney is basically mormon a.o.c. i mean, i don't know what mitt would have done if he had run into them. he would have had to try to blend in with them. ( rioter ) "let's find these traitors! it's time to kill the deep states! "i heartily agree, my good friends! and, afterwards, let's go to the local confectionary and enjoy some vanilla milkshakes." ( rioter ) what! great idea! this guy's all right!" but this isn't an impeachment trial of a few thousands insane qanon followers. no, this is the impeachment trial of donald trump. so once again today, the democrats focused on how donald trump incited the riot. and what was really helpful was that the rioters themselves provided the evidence. >> even after the attack, the insurrectionists made clear to law enforcement that they were just following president trump's orders. >> we were invited here! they didn't shy away from their crimes because they thought they were following orders of the commander in chief. >> we were invited here! we were invited! hey, we were invited

senator mitt romney, as you would expect shaken by that. he spoke with officer goodman at the senate as they came back from recess and told reporters about their exchange. and here's what he said. he said, i expressed my appreciation to him for coming to my aid and getting me back into the path of safety and expressed my appreciation for all that he did that day. and he took me through his full day. and he was exhausted going from one part of the building to the other, up and downstairs. he indicated that he had to breathe a lot of bear spray and tear gas and that he was nauseated. i'm sure he was. what a hero. and i have been nauseated just watching it. >> there's been more never-before-seen video showing just how close the rioters got to the vice president, mike pence. >> you can see vice president pence and his family quickly moved down the stairs. the vice president turns around briefly as he's headed down. as pence was being evacuated, rioters started to spread throughout the capitol. those inside helped other rioters break in through

senator mitt romney who you see then runs away. so also probably, you know, saving senator mitt romney as well as he runs down the hallway and tells him to turn around. other members of the gop, it's worth noting as well, that senator romney after seeing that video did thank officer goodman for what he did. and some of the -- his statement right there that he expressed his appreciation to him for coming to his aid. senator murkowski afterward were definitely shaken by what they saw. that remains that other members of the republican party, namely senator josh hawley called it a waste of time. senator john cornyn saying he simply didn't have anything to say after that. the question remains that will it actually move any needles here. senator hawley was one of the leaders of the group essentially pushing the stop the steal movement, the false movement that there had been election fraud which there had not been widespread election fraud and slowing down the certification, ginning the the crowd that day as well. but today they get back

mitt romney voted yes. a 50/50 vote would fail because the vice president, kamala harris, does not vote. mitt romney, at least one republican and now a second republican as well. i want to go to rachel scott. looks like we're going to get witnesses. >> reporter: it does, george. senator susan collins and lisa murkowski voted yes. all this coming after we heard from democrats last night, senator whitehouse saying the witnesses would clear up the timeline here and they would be open to it. now they're deciding to move forward. you have senator minority leader mitch mcconnell who came out minutes before this trial came into session as we were preparing to head into the final day of arguments here and he said he does plan to vote to acquit. now it is a question of whether or not those other handful of republican senators do here. they need 17 to convict. right now these handful of republican senators we've been keeping our eye on over the last couple days, they're proving to make the difference here. you have a

officer eugene goodman seen rushing senator mitt romney to safety, before leading the mob away from the senate door. senator schumer seen racing down the hallway to get to safety with others. and the difficult body cam video tonight of an officer pinned against the door, screaming in pain. house managers arguing former president trump had become the inciter in chief, not just the day of the riots, but in the weeks and months leading up to the attack. tonight, the reaction coming in right now from senators inside that chamber. former president trump in mar-a-lago. and what we're learning tonight. his reaction. and that image of his own vice president being whisked to safety. rachel scott and jon karl standing by. >>> the other images revealed late today. the security cameras showing a lone officer pepper spraying them, but overwhelmed. house manager stacey plaskett saying among the group are members of the proud boys. pierre thomas on that part of the story. where does the investigation stand and how many arrests have been made? >>> the other news this wednesday night, the new cdc report

and mitt romney wanted to know more. so he asked, did the former president know his vice president had been whisked to safety, even as he tweeted questioning his own vice president? senator mitt romney of utah asking about this tweet from trump at 2:24 p.m. mike pence didn't have the courage to do what needed to be done. >> was he aware that vice president had been removed by the senate from the secret service. >> reporter: the lead house manager answering, saying the president had been told the vice president was in harm's way. still he tweeted, questioning pence's courage 20 minutes later. >> the senator said he told the president, mr. president, they just took the vice president out. i've got to go. the vice president and his family were still in danger at that point. our commander in chief did nothing. >> reporter: the defense team claims the president did not know about his vice president. >> the answer is no. at no point was the president informed the vice president was in any danger, because the house rushed throu

who could fail to empathise with mitt| could fail to empathise with mitt romney sitting in the chambero safety? that surveillance video of himself being taken to safety? that remarkable footage of vice president paints within 100 feet of the mob calling for his head, wanting to lynch him. it was extremely powerful, but not the manipulative sense because it was directly relevant to the central claim that the violence was intended, foreseeable and actually happened. they focus on the provocation, the attack and the harm, so the video evidence was both emotional and material and no one will ever forget emotional and material and no one will everforget it was emotional and material and no one will ever forget it was all right. we're hearing so much about the us constitution in this trial, but is there a crisis of civic education in this country? are we well—versed enoughin this country? are we well—versed enough in the constitution? i know i had to read it when i became a us citizen, but i'm not convinced that everybody else reads it. the citizenship _ everybody else reads it. the citizens

officer goodman passes senator mitt romney and directs him to turn around in order to get to safety. on the first floor just beneath them, the mob had already started to search for the senate chamber. officer goodman made his way down to the first floor where he encountered the same insurrectionists we just saw watch breach the capitol. >> democratic leader chuck schumer also had to turn and flee from the mob as impeachment manager eric swalwell explained. take a look. >> additional security footage shows how leader schumer and his detail had a near miss with the mob. they came just within the rioters and had to turn around. here in this video, you see leader schumer walking up a ramp. going up the ramp with his detail, he'll soon go out of view. officers shut the door and used their bodies to keep him safe. >> swalwell also showed the house video as they heard gunshots, removing their congressional pins because if the mob came in, they didn't want them to recognize who they were. >> inside the chamber, representatives, staff and journalists remain trapped in the gallery and heard gu

romney would have been president, they would have been mitt romney republicans. but now that they see the tea e leaves moving the other way, they're going to pretend to be maga republicans. and that's where i see all of ohio playing right now. that's really the uncut. >> is there room in the future of the republican party for the joyce's of the party, members of the problem solvers caucus? >> the problem solvers caucus? that seems so silly now. you know, we'll see. look, there were 11 -- 10? 11 -- 10 -- i had 11 because of romney. 10 house members voted to impeach. that was it, right? >> and anthony gonzales. >> and i think gonzales is interesting. i'm glad you brought him up.n ca he's an interesting model because he is not positioning himself like kinzinger as somebody who is a friend to the bull trump. he positions himself as i'm a new kind of conservative who has -- he's conservative ideologically, sympathetic to trump in some of the kind of changes within the party from maybe the old line republican u party that was outdated. but at the same time, he's like i

what with would they have done had they had gotten to mitt romney? senator mitt romney? they don't deserve this. >> no. >> they don't deserve this. and the fact that there are republican senators who are not going to hold the president accountable, some of them are accountable themselves, is just utterly baffling. >> absolutely. when you talk about mike pence and mitt romney, in particular, romney had been speaking out on this network and elsewhere before this, warning of this exact thing. that if his colleagues didn't call out the president for not accepting the election, much less lying about the fact that it was rigged, that this would happen. then here we see range omney hi running for his life and being saved by these heroic officers. and the fact that we are in the united states of america and we knew that the president was incredibly hard on mike pence and incited -- effectively incited violence against his own vice president, but to watch this never-before-seen footage that you just played again, jake, of the vice president of the united states being whisked out

is it mitt romney? will he remain in his role as the senior member? will we see liz cheney or adam kissinger rise? >> my will be bad. i don't think there's a real answer to that question. unfortunately, the best future for the republican party is going to be a leader that collaborated with trump. that's why i'm not a republican anymore. i think there's potential, particularly if things go as they have over the last two months. somebody who was skeptical of trump at times. genuinely can be trusted by maca voters. i think there's hope for that type of person to take over. i don't think there's much hope for a kissinger type. i admire him a great deal. i think there's potentially room in governorships and at state levels for there to be moderate republicans or former republicans. david jolley in florida. he is considered an independent. i would love for him to run as a democrat. in a state like florida, trending more red, a former republican running as a democrat might be a great solution for winning the governorship and being able to form more of the ce

romney on the floor of the senate and got in to an argument with mitt romney over mitt romney's vote.t year for re-election, he has to get through a republican primary first and he knows if he takes the honorable, honest, sane approach of a mitt romney or adam kinzinger and liz cheney, he will face the wrath of donald trump, who will find somebody to primary him and he may lose the primary. that's why people who lack spine, who lack courage, who put you career over honor, and over duty, and over country, are people like ron johnson. and that's why they have to make up these ridiculous stories. because they have to sell it to somebody. they have to justify the stupidity and illogical votes that they have taken and stories that they have stuck to. it is their only route. >> thank you, anna, and thank you, david, i appreciate it. we will see you both soon. we will be right back. rock on. tonight i'll be eating lobster thermidor au gratin. really? sh-yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my butt. make it two calzones! sh-yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my butt. here's another cleaning tip

speaker nancy pelosi's staff was hiding, and capitol police officer eugene goodman telling senator mitt romney to turn around and run the other way, possibly saving his life. house managers revealed the new images for the first time today as evidence in former president president trump's second impeachment trial. democrats used the new video along with the former president's own words, playinghs eets, as edence mr.sp monthlseg the election was fraudulent before calling on his supporters to violently stop congress from counting the electoral college votes. we have a lot of new reporting tonight for you and your family and our team is standing by. kris van cleave will lead off our coverage from the u.s. capitol, where it has been a dramatic and emo d good evening, kris. >> reporter: norah, tears ran down the face of a capitol police officer inside the senate chambers as some of those videos played. the senators sat silent, focused on the monitors. senator mitt romney said after the violence tears at your heart and brings tears to your eyes. >> multiple capitol injuries, multiple capitol i

senators mitt romney, chuck schumer, also seen on surveillance video. we have never seen this before, narrowly escaping the mob. >> and this morning, we have new reporting on what the house managers plan to present today. some republicans inside the senate chamber were reportedly refusing to watch the videos. they were doodling or looking down at their laps, instead. but outside the chamber, cnn has learned that more than 120 well-known former republican officials are actively discussing forming a new anti-trump, more centrist party. if you missed what happened yesterday, here is a condensed version of the prosecutor's evidence. and we warn you, some parts are silent, because the security cameras had no audio. >> we're going to give warning. this is now effectively a riot. >> 1349 hours, declaring it a riot. >> you can see that the rioter first break the window with the wooden beam that you saw previously and a lone police officer inside responds and begins to spray the first man who enters, but is quickly overwhelmed. i want you to pay attention to the

that they need to look at their track record i mean we saw what happened when they tried to choose mitt romney flip flop mitt who is very very milk toast he did not win and actually even in 2016 we we can't forget that the republican party was not united behind donald trump in terms of the insiders donald trump was a pick that was purely by the people and republican establishment can keep trying to float people like get mitt romney in our faces or even someone like lisa collins or macao ski but that is just by and large not where the party is headed right now throughout his presidency trump has maintained or had maintained an approval rating in the ninety's which i mean is just crazy to think of and i would i only shudder to think what it might have been without the constant negative press coverage so i mean ultimately we'll. primaries in 2024 it's not going to be up to the establishments to choose who the next candidate will be and i hope that people turn out in droves to vote for who they think is the strongest candidate not who they think people like mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarth

split in the republican party there are those who are very much the establishment wing people like mitt romney and mitch mcconnell and there are those who support donald trump and they do so for a number of reasons but one of the big reasons among the likes of ted cruz josh hawley marco rubio is that they intend to run for the republican nomination for president in 2024 and they believe that by sticking with donald trump they will be able to convince his supporters to back them now the democrats may have lost the vote here in the senate but what they have done is tie the events of the 6th of january to donald trump and his presidency and his legacy for all time and fresh air there for us in washington many thanks. one of donald trump's defense lawyers michael vanderveen says it's time for the people and politicians of united states to move on and face pressing issues like the pandemic. this contrie needs to cool the temperature we need to unite as a people there are so many common priorities that we all share that face this country in a really important way this team of lawyers are simp

but mitt romney came out with his own expanded child tax credit last week.ghtly different than that one but it is important to note that republicans are signally some willingness to expand the child tax credit. this has been something that has been a top priority for democrats for years. but of course because we're dealing with coronavirus and the effects that has had on the economy, now is an opportunity where democrats view it as the time to push this piece of legislation. poppy. >> and as you've said, there has been republicans, mitt romney has his whole legislation on it and marco rubio and others, maybe they could get something done across the aisle. let's talk about the future of the republican party with former republican congresswoman mia love. thank you for being here. >> this is nice to see you again. >> it is good to see you, too. i wanted to start off on what lauren just reported. because it is good to see this highlighted now. nick kristoff wrote a clem in the times last week that we haven't been covering this enough in terms of part of the stim

mitt romney's conscientious vote.t year for re-election, he's got to get through a republican primary first, and he knows that if he takes the conscientious, honorable, honest, sane approach of a mitt romney or an adam kiz zinger or a liz cheney, he will face the wrath of donald trump, who will not vacillate in finding somebody to primary him, and he might lose. he might very well lose his primary. so that's why people who lack spine, who lack courage, who put career over honor and over duty and over country are people like ron johnson. and that's why they have to make up these cockamamy, ridiculous, asinine stories because they've got to sell it to somebody. they've got to somehow justify the stupidity and illogical votes that they have taken and stories that they have stuck to. it is their only route. >> thank you, ana, and thank you, david. i appreciate it. i'll see you both soon. we'll be right back. >> thanks, don. it's not “pretty good or nothing.” it's not “acceptable or nothing.” and it's definitely not “close

mitt romney, who was standing in the way of donald trump remaining in the white house? what would they have done if they found all those people? thank god for those police >> we have the pull its swrer prize winning jon meacham. he occasionally advises president biden. and andrew weissman who served as chief of the criminal fraud section, general counsel for the fbi under corrector mueller, and a lead prosecutor in robert mueller's special counsel's office. he's now an msnbc legal analyst. and award-winning historical, professor, and writer keisha m. blain, an associate professor of history at the university of pittsburgh. it is good to have you all this morning. >> jon meacham, you obviously talking about margaret shea smith, and have for years. and mccarthy and what side do these senators want to be on, and you're right. 70 years later, still a hero. columns are still written about her. her name constantly brought up as an example for all politicians. just because she stood up to a bully and thug that more caught up with after four, five years. but we doubt, all of us

not supporting and saying well we don't like him so we'll take the tiny percent as mitt romney said and find the candidate there it doesn't make sense because we're moving towards fracture and that's not effective. and chris you know i know that you're close with national at the 3 pac chairman he appeared on c.n.n. with chris cuomo last night and he pushed a lot about signature matching and voter fraud one that has already been debunked multiple times over is that what we can expect or continue to expect from republicans you just spoke about how you think that trump going to take a different track is going to move away from some of the things but when the person who actually coordinated with empathy pac is still pushing these lies it created a direction to begin with what can we really expect from a public and what do you think the goal of the pack this year. well i can tell you this you know met a great guy spent a lot of time with them in the in the campaign and look including myself were very passionate about what transpired i can. match my words a lot in the valley in itself and we

though is put a question mark over the republican party there are people in the establishment wing like mitt romney and mitch mcconnell who are clearly angered by what they saw from donald trump and there are others like ted cruz josh hawley marco rubio who voted with donald trump for one reason one reason being that in 2024 they would like to run for president and so they think to do that they have to convince the trump support that the are with them that they will continue the work of donald trump an interesting thing to note is by being acquitted that me. that donald trump can run for office in the future if he so wishes and there are people talking about him being a presidential candidate in 2024 years he could run again and his supporters think that not only should run he will win so you become the 45th president of the united states and the 47th president of the united states no one ever said that politics in the u.s. was boring indeed stay with us we have some reaction from a u.s. house speaker democrat nancy pelosi who took specific issue with mitch mcconnell's logic for voting again

do you agree with mitt romney? does it tell you that mitt romney is saying then ? >> i think if the primary were held today, this is no doubt who would oppose donald trump in this environment. it gets to the point about the silence and i think mike pence would like to be president. realistically, he probably never will but what he does know is that if he keeps his mouth shut, the mob that came after him on january 6th won't come after him again. he will have a safe comfortable life in the warm bath of the conservative movement at think tanks and conservative media but they will never ask him a tough question about the events that he witnessed that led up to the insurrection and what it felt like to become a victim of it. like, he has a safe comfortable life if he just keeps his mouth shut and waves the flag for trump. that's what he's aiming for. anything after that, gravy. >> that's something. maggie, last time we spoke and i can't remember if it was this morning or last night or yesterday morning, that's how things are at this point. but you told me that the form

, mitt, she says. did you know that mitt romney was in on it, too? with the space lasers. and the moloch and the great awakening and the chickens and all the things that "q" told us. here she is on the las vegas gun massacre. >> how do you get avid gun owners and people who support the second amendment to give up their guns and go along with anti-gun legislation? how do you do that? maybe you accomplish that by performing a mass shooting into a crowd that is very likely to be conservative. you make them scared. you make them victims. and you change their mindset and then possibly you can pass anti-gun legislation. is that what happened in las vegas? are they trying to terrorize our mindset and change our minds on the second amendment? is that what's going on here? i have a lot of questions about that. i don't believe stephen paddock was a lone wolf. i don't believe that he pulled this off all by himself. >> 11 republican members of congress sided with democrats today in voting to remove congresswoman g

they are not going to sound like mitt romney.y will sound like some version of sarah huckabee sanders or lindsey graham on hannity. that is what their voters want. they are stuck, scared and missed their opportunity to get rid of him. >> for lack of a better term, the burn it all down caucus will be with us for a while. axios reports payback is the president's chief obsession and motivator and makes for a lousy bumper sticker, does it not? >> well, this is the problem that i think for the republican party, brian. if you look historically inspect national elections, presidential elections, core battleground states the party whose base is more closely connected to the middle of the electorate. the democratic party only won the white house in 1976 because ford pardoned nixon. they are putting all of their chips on donald trump, who failed to get over 47% of the vote twice. tim is exactly right. the people that vote in the primaries and are most active on social media would pledge lifetime loyalty to donald trump and his family. if y

they're not going to sound like mitt romney. all going to sound like some version of sarah huckabee sanders, like some version of lindsey graham tonight over on "hannity," because that's what their voters want and they're stuck and they're scared and they missed their opportunity to get rid of him. >> so david, for lack of a better version, the burn it all down caucus is going to be with us for a while. axios further reports that payback is the president's chief obsession, his chief motivator. it just makes for a lousy bumper sticker, does it not? >> well, this is the problem i think for the republican party, brian-s if you look historically at national elections, presidential elections, in core battleground states, whether they be senate or governor, generally the party that wins those races is the party whose base is more closely connected to the middle of the electorate. and the democratic party from 1968 to 1992 as you know only won the white house once in '76 and that's probably only because ford pardoned nixon. so the repu