he was not a mitt cal person. he was vie voted to make sure the management aspect worked for bush. >> host: one person had the authority and responsibility. that was one of the key points. >> guest: yes. and so in going out, josh bolton, who dealt with all of the white house operations, but for departments and agencies, for some of that work that clay johnson worked on through the president's management council, as he was -- as the deputy of the office of management and budget, which he was at the end of the administration. he chaired that committee, which is made up of all of the departments and the most important agencies. so he had them come together in the spring and talk about the transition, what information did they think a new administration would need? and so they worked through that, and then in summer -- i think it wase july, july 18th -- he sent out a memorandum to the departments and agencies, directing exactly what they were to gather, information they were to gather. it and it shows the importance o