but to be the official under mitt romney in they believed they could import the of modeled nationwide but with of modern liberal position with the extreme right wing but the case you can make is it drove the progress to mitigate disaster that had not happened. >> q don't get a lot of credit. and then to be abandoned obama would have gotten no credit. they were just delaying the day to get less credit but to take on the thankless task they have been willing to take on but obamacare actions were in trouble. >> host: talking about foreign policy and as i saw covering on the campaign trail to say you want to bother the you know, what out of vice is spent a big part of the foreign policy legacy is getting american forces out of afghanistan with this data is forces agreement and the red lining in syria. this is a huge subject to tackle with the foreign policy legacy how will be all see that years from now? it is hard to square to go on this ambitious mission i draw a red line but then i do not enforce it. >> want people to wonder stand i tried to account for his mistakes and failures. it is

>> what does mitt romney believe? >> is he truly a conservative? >> not exactly a person of conviction. >> what type of values... >> narrator: romney knew he had to bolster his appeal among republicans and win over the tea party and insurgents. he named the author of the ryan budget his running mate. >> to announce my running mate and the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan! >> narrator: he took a tough stand on immigration. >> the answer is self-deportation. >> narrator: and he said he would finally deliver on that republican promise to repeal obamacare. >> if we want to get rid of obamacare, we're going to have to replace president obama. >> narrator: but one move that seemed a curiosity at the time would later take on greater significance. in las vegas, he would accept a controversial endorsement from the leader of the birther movement. (applause) >> mitt romney looks completely uncomfortable. donald trump is totally in his element. it's... in a curious way, it's donald trump's event, not mitt romney's event. he, you know, he comm

that insurance mandate is something that not only mitt romney supported at other republicans. it was was somewhat of a conservative healthcare reform concept. you talk about that a little bit even though president obama had a conservative healthcare concept at the heart of his health care reform package he was still struggling to line up republican support. they give up the public option to get it to the finish line. of all the legislative pieces of business he had to tackle this was perhaps the most fascinating piece of business from a legislative standpoint. >> at the beginning obama favored the public option. so when republicans had to explain what they didn't like they said the public option. the rest of the bill is romney care weekend like that stuff with the public option that makes it unacceptable. they thought that that was going to always be part of the bill. so he says okay will cut that out and i think he needed to kiss you had a handful of democrats who post that. he needed every single democrat and some republicans. so then republicans republicans came up with oth

the insurance mandate is something that not only mitt romney support in the past but it was somewhat of a conservative healthcare reform concept. you talk about in the book a little bit even the president obama had essentially a conservative healthcare concept at the heart of his health care reform package, he was still struggling to line up republican support and so they give up the public option to sort of get it to the finish line. of all the legislative pieces of business he had to tackle during his administration, this was perhaps the most fascinating piece of business to watch for me legislative standpoint. >> guest: at the beginning like you say, obama favored the public option. when republicans had to explain what they didn't like in the bill they said the public option. the rest of the bill is romneycare, we kind of like that stuff. it's this public option that makes it unacceptable. they thought i was going to always be a part of the bill. so the obama says all right, we will cut that out. i think he needed to because you had a handful of democrats who also opposed that and

mitt romney had something to say on obamacare —— something similar to obamacare.nce between what mitt romney did which was to reform an individual state's health system and what obama said —— obama did was institute are countrywide one. it drove up prices in places where it was affordable before. there isn't in either — or. obama tried to do it one way and it hasn't worked as well as hoped that 10 million fewer people are covered in obamacare that people are covered in obamacare that people were expecting to be covered. republican approaches can cover more people than obamaca re republican approaches can cover more people than obamacare at a lower cost and the way to do it is give consumers more control over their own health—care dollars. that's what most republican tried to do.“ own health—care dollars. that's what most republican tried to do. if they heed mr obama's call not to help pass the replacement, what impact will that have? it could leave a lot of people worse off, couldn't it? you'll absolutely. if democrats decide that it is either my way or the highwa

mitt romney! mitt romney was going to make you move to canada? wasn't going to be president, and give it to mitt romney to be president tomorrow, i would. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: the funny thing is as arrogant americans we assume canada will welcome us with open arms if we decide to move there because we don't like our leader. they're like, you're not coming here. >> they were going to welcome me, i checked. >> jimmy: do you have any real friends who are trump supporters? >> what do you mean by real friends? [ laughter ] >> jimmy: i'm not just talking about acquaintances or people on the show every eight weeks or something like that, but friends. >> every eight weeks? >> jimmy: you know, the rotation. >> i'm here once a year. you have people every eight weeks? >> jimmy: no. [ laughter ] >> i want to get a list of people who are here every eight weeks! those people are never doing my show, i'll tell you something about that. every eight weeks. who's so good? give me a list of people who are so good they could be here every e

. >> you mentioned mitt romney. here's jasper at the 2012 convention. do you know met romney and what would you think about him being part of the trump administration? was the firstee ever photoshop that the artistto did because on the five we were talking about the mystery speaker from the 2012 election and no one knew who it was going to be and it ended up being clint eastward. yes, i've met mitt romney. yes, i'm at the end. i give credit to donald trumpai for being able to listen to people who are very much against him, but also to mitt romney for being able to go and meet. that's why i'm saying, i felt adrift at the end of october, i'm willing to wait for second because perhaps this tent is bigger than we thought. >> host: next call comes from zachary in long beach california. go ahead. bea. listening >> caller: two quick questions. you said a moment ago that you felt the next two or three or a few years would be good for the republican party, but what about the masses as a whole, and second, someone in your position, an acre, when they take a politi

. >>> joining me now, sam seder, katie packer, former deputy campaign manager for mitt romney's 2012 presidential campaign. katie, i want to start with you. i remember mitt romney saying he was going to build keystone with his bare hands i believe was the line, if that's what it took. do you agree the first few days when you take away the behavior of the president of the united states, which we'll talk about in a bit, the thing he is putting pen to paper on are all things you could have imagined in another republican presidency? >> absolutely. i mean, there have been some moments that are cringe worthy no doubt but the official things that president trump has done in these last couple days are things that conservatives and republicans are very, very enthusiastic about and feel like have been a long time coming. so these are things that are only going to serve to energize and excite the republican base and conserve tifseratives across country and the folks that will vote for trump. >> this has been a thesis that you have had, sam. trump is aberrant and taking over the republican party

>> i voted for mitt romney. gary jaungsen.he other two options are just atrocious. >> republican or democrat? >> registered republican but i'm not sure. >> hillary clinton i know for a fact because i was just at her campaign office, they really want to win over republicans in areas like this. does she have a shot? >> no, she doesn't. >> who are you guys voting for? >> our dog. >> you might win over a couple of voters. high five. as it turned out, donald trump won slightly more white women than hillary clinton did and that was the final variable that give him ohio. up next, the voters who didn't. the final variable. >> you'll vote for weed but not presidency. >>> we're from ohio. >> so the country has you to thank or blame. >> true, true. >> did you vote for donald trump? >> i didn't vote. no. they both sucked. >> i did not vote. >> you didn't vote? >> not for president. local politics are more important for me. >> you voted on election day, just not for president? >> yekttop. >> and this was critical to barack obama's vote and

mitt romney was the conservative. >> trevor: when you said millening toast i thought mitt romney.i thought, that's not cool, trevor. when you said it and i thought, oh, all right, carry on. >> she was wildly unprepared for the job but tapped into a deep-seated thing that donald trump just blew up. >> trevor: what i found interesting in your writing was talking about how you notice that people on the ground were liking sarah palin, which is something you almost forget these days, just liking, not policy, plans, but just likability. >> she had this clintonian quality -- bill clinton. >> trevor: i was about to say, i don't think you are familiar with -- yeah. >> that's important, whatever you think about her politics she would put her hand on your shoulder and say, howas it going? i'm sarah. good at making you comfortable. that the what the embeds are experiencing. >> trevor: this is a comedy show but it's one to have the scenes i -- it's one of the funny scenes from the episodes. >> i hear you have the best breakfast pizza of any gas station in iowa. ( laughter ) >> she's not changi

>> steve: almost. >> jimmy: if you take mitt romney -- >> steve: mitt romney!s two sips of beer. >> steve: two sips of beer! >> jimmy: it equals lit romney. [ laughter and applause ] whoa, whoa, whoa. [ applause ] >> steve: macarena? i understand the macarena. >> jimmy: if you take an office party -- >> steve: office party. >> jimmy: plus mistletoe. >> steve: okay. >> jimmy: it equals the hr department. [ laughter ] it's just a bad idea. just don't do it. it's a bad idea. no. here's another one. if you take ron weasley -- >> steve: ron weasley, yes. >> jimmy: plus a bakery. >> steve: ron weasley, bakery. >> jimmy: it equals a ginger bread man. [ laughter ] a gingerbread man. >> steve: that's making a a little more sense. the fog is lifting. >> jimmy: if you take kevin james >> steve: kevin james. >> jimmy: plus snoop dogg. >> steve: snoop dogg. >> jimmy: it equals james blunt. do you see what i'm saying? [ cheers ] do you get the idea of it, at least? >> steve: i at least get it's some sort of mathematics without numbers. >> jimmy: if you take neil armstrong --

he won 51 more than mitt romney won.e have two up in the northwest and one in south philadelphia, so we began increasing our presence in the african-american community. donald trump was in north philly meeting with african-american leaders, his daughter, daughter in law came here to philadelphia and mitt romney never stop foot here. john mccain never did. he understands the inner cities. he understands the city of philadelphia, he went to penn, he lived in new york. i think having an interest in urban areas can help us dig ourselves out of the mess we have been in the city in the last 50 odd years. >> in terms of talking about the president-elect's connection to philadelphia, he had some negative comments about the city when he was here. >> look, i went to school here. i know the city very well and to see how far it's gone down, the inner city and the neighborhood, i can't believe it. >> as you mentioned, joe, obviously the president-elect a graduate of the university of pennsylvania. he graduated from penn in the late '

kristen welker is back, a surprise i blew who is a former policy adviser to mitt romney, my former colleague in the bush administration, and a former senior vice president to paul ryan who gets more involved in all of these issues. also joining us, former rnc chairman and msnbc political analyst, michael steele. why aren't you out here with us? we need you at the table we my friend. >> that's the crew right there. >> right. all right. >> he didn't get the spoiler alert. >> well, you know, i thought that at least your mother would approve. >> she'd be fine. >> pick up where jeremy left off, please. >> look, this is a complicated issue obviously. i think context matters. >> we will get hit is simple. >> contest matters, first of all, where you began the discussion, which was about the wall street journal article which your piece was on, jeremy and i agree. i think there is a robust debate needed about the future of the office of dni. >> is that what's happening or is he just messing with them? >> there's been a big push among policy makers and the number of folks for some time that think that

obamacare, i suggested, isn't really very different from mitt romney's approach.need to understand is there isn't an either or in terms of expanding coverage to the uninsured. obamacare try to do it one way, it didn't work as well as hoped, but 10 million fewer are covered under 0bamacare than were expected to be covered and republican approaches can cover more people than 0bamaca re republican approaches can cover more people than 0bamacare at a lower cost and the way to do is give consumers more control over their own dollars, that's what most republican plans try to do. if they don't help pass a replacement, what impact could that have, lots of people could be worse off? absolutely. if democrats decide it's either my way or the highway and they want to be stubborn and oppose anything they don't like then yes they could make health insurance worse for lots of people. but here's the thing, if republicans oppose a credible plan that would cover as many people as the affordable care act or 0bamacare as we call it but do so with lower costs and more choice than 0bam

>> it's not about mitt romney, donald trump, or any particular person. political economic system. not one particular person. politicians can appeal to racial arguments. some democrats have done and times. it's a very palpable device, it works a large part of the time to propel people into political positions of power. >> tucker: so we have had -- here's a main problem with your theory, for the last 50 years, the country has been totally transformed by immigration. we have admitted about 60 million immigrants into this country legally in 50 years. that is an awful lot in a country of 325 million. that is a lot of people. totally changed the demographic balance. why would a country based on and committed to perpetuation of white supremacy left in 60 million people, only 4% of whom are from europe? >> not weird at all. your point make sense if you don't think about it. what instead is happening today is what is forced immigration from slavery. we brought in lots of slaves to the united states that outpaced a lot of european immigrants underweight the promis

bush and the former ohio state director for mitt romney's presidential campaign.hank you both for being here. scott, i want to start with you because republicans have talked about voting to repeal obamacare without having a replacement ready to go. is that a wise decision? >> this is going to be a multistep process. they have to get the budget bodes going to set up the process to repeal obamacare. i think what is important to understand here is there can be a stable period. it could be a long period so nobody who currently has health insurance loses it immediately. they are going to have to do a series of complicated things to repeal it then replace it with a series of policies that republicans have been pushing for many years, so i think it is a little bit of a false choice to say that we have to do it all in one day or not do it at all. i think the process can get started, then they can get going through the machinations of installing the policy that will do what obamacare promised to begin with, increase access and lower prices. it has done neither, not affordi

is that the -- the way, the treatment of people like mitt romney.n mitt romney very publicly, gets him to go out to dinner with him, takes a bunch of pictures, then doesn't give him the job that they were meeting for. >> yeah. >> seth: do you think that is a place that he's being vengeful for to the never-trump republicans. yeah, right, yeah. [ laughter ] >> yeah, i mean, the romney thing was never going to happen, right? like what's the one thing that romney said during his 2012 campaign that anybody remembers other than the 47%. it was when he said, "our number one geopolitical foe is --" trump's daddy, "is russia." >> seth: yeah. >> if you think that's our number-one geopolitical foe in the world, you're not going to be trump's secretary of state. trump will have us speaking russian. >> seth: yeah. >> this is not -- you're not going to pick romney. >> seth: do you think mitt romney's getting enough credit about calling that out? because that was sort of laughed off by president obama at the time. >> yeah, he was like, "it's not the '80s, it's not

liz: in 2013, former presidential candidate mitt romney's african-american grand child was target. >>this was one that really a lot of people had emotions about this baby picture this year. this is the romney family. and it, of course, there on governor romney's knee is his adopted grandson. who an african-american child, kieren romney, he captioned for this one. -- captions for this one. >> one of these things is not like the other, that baby front and center. liz: children of politicians cannot defend themselves is it every okay it make a child part of a political punch line. >> this takes me back to something that mohammad ali said that hating people because of their color is wrong, we, as african-americans, have to think about the sensitivities of other groups, of different you know whites, and whom ever else, a lot of times people that long different comments, and they think just because we belonging to's marginalize community one that lived a long time with jim crow slavely that gives us right to make different comes about other groups in a joking way, that is not okay, one thin

i mean, mitt romney said to some of toughest things about president-elect trump as anyone in here he'sbeing considered as secretary of state, but gates himself said pretty tough things about trump during election such as he was unfit to be commander in chief. number of folks in your world signed a strong letter against trump and for his opponent. he was asked, have you changed your mind since you called-- since what you have seen from november 8. cancer that question and i will let you answer that question. have you seen a change in president-elect trump since he was elected to where you're more comfortable state where you are in july or august? guest: i worried about some of his comments about the purple heart because i had young marines die in my arms that never earned a purple heart and it bothered me tremendously his comments about john mccain. i have served with john mccain, so that worried me, but i will tell you, the judgment about whether someone is said to serve as commander in chief is made by the american people and the american people and made their judgments and as i have

charlie: i saw michael dukakis -- hugh: red rock, mitt romney had a lot of people at red rock.people thousands there that never come out for republicans, crowds and democratic heartland turned out to see donald trump. that is what i dismissed. charlie: who is the most pragmatic, ronald reagan, richard nixon, donald trump? ronald reagan. he told me that. i am an endangered species lawyer. he did not care. john whitaker said -- he was playing a great game, and he did not care about domestic policy. hugh: hugh hewitt, the conservative playbook for a lasting gop majority. he calls it the fourth way. charlie: thank you. stay with us. right back in a moment. ♪ philosophernch dashes here, his book is the genius of judaism, the resurgence of anti-semitism and reflects on the jewish state of israel and explores what it means to be a chosen people and the foundations of jewish thought. in the new york times editorial, he cautioned americans to be wary, jewish-americans to be wary, of president trump. i am pleased to have him back at this table we have known each other for a long time and

when he brings somebody like mitt romney that he beat up in the campaign, that shows as a businessmanhe understands. that was another thing in my lessons learned. you pick the very best people and you hold them accountable. by the way, if he brought in a good person and, say, he put him in the a job, who we might get to come as secretary and let's say he brings in somebody and all of a sudden they are not implementing the direction of the president, i would expect him to call him up and say, you're fired. what's wrong with that? he's the commander in chief. everybody that's coming in this outfit needs to basically follow the party of the president and i think they will. the other thing that gates said that worried some people, they asked gates who served with nine presidents, what's the main thing you've learned about serving with nine presidents, look, it's very important for a president to know what they don't know and listen to people that do know. i think you've seen since he's been elected, i think you've seen him bring in people of tremendous diversity, democrats, republicans, i

and the other thing is mitt romney just round big rich in america.onald trump made it great again. great to be rich again. and fly around in his plane. and the favorite scene in the whole plane is when ted cruz came out to cleveland for the red zone and trying to give some speech by the lake and here comes donald trump's plane and he circles a couple of times completely drowning out the guy's speech. it was perfect. >> you know, in the movie cruz is going to be the bad guy. in the actor who plays cruz will probably be nominated for an oscar because it is such a brutal. he's going to be the most unlikable person. >> the scene was already filmed. that was rodney danger field in cad dee shack. and the he's trying to christen the ship and here comes rodney dangerfield in his big boat. >> do you think these are successful? do i? >> arnold schwarzenegger. his lines. they stick around and people with use it in a sentence. it is tangible. hillary clinton was the catch frad phrases were like the late night animal planet commercials for the dogs. even though y

and the other thing is mitt romney just round big rich in america.nd donald trump made it great again. great to be rich again. and fly around in his plane. and the favorite scene in the whole plane is when ted cruz came out to cleveland for the red zone and trying to give some speech by the lake and here comes donald trump's plane and he circles a couple of times completely drowning out the guy's speech. it was perfect. >> you know, in the movie cruz is going to be the bad guy. in the actor who plays cruz will probably be nominated for an oscar because it is such a brutal. he's going to be the most unlikable person. >> the scene was already filmed. that was rodney danger field in cad dee shack. and the he's trying to christen the ship and here comes rodney dangerfield in his big boat. >> do you think these are successful? do i? >> arnold schwarzenegger. his lines. they stick around and people with use it in a sentence. it is tangible. hillary clinton was the catch frad phrases were like the late night animal planet commercials for the dogs. even thou

they would keep their plan in indiana, he job owned them into that, he brings in somebody like mitt romneythat beat up on him during the campaign, that shows as a businessman he understands that was another thing in my lessons learned, you pick the very best people and hold them accountable. by the way if he brought in a good person and put him in in a job. we were talking earlier who we might get to come in as secretary of the navy and he brings in somebody and they get confirmed and they are off to a good start and all of a sudden they are not implementing the direction of the president, i expect to call them up and say you are fired. what is wrong with that? he is the commander-in-chief. everybody coming into this outfit needs to follow the president. i think they will. the other thing gates said that worried people, they asked the gate to serve with tween 9 presidents what is the main thing you learned about serving with tween 9 presidents, it is important for president to know what they don't know and listen to people that do know. since he has been elected you see him bring in people

another part in the book you talk about how mitt romney went after the president saying i'm going to slow the rise of the oceans and so forth and you pointed out at one point he said in a speech i want to help you get a job or make your life better. so they are making hay out of this and going through the environmental legacy and making it more difficult for the president to achieve the goals. >> guest: looking after the long-term interest of the country. it is a thankless task and that is why politicians want people to be happy right now. so, if there is a trade-off between what we can do for our constituents right now are between now and the next election for 20, 30, 50, 200 years down the line they would usually change and get elected right now. forget about the oceans. i'm going to help you get a job right now. i do want to point out returning to the topic romney promised they would get rid of the regulations and taxes obama had going and they would get unemployment down to 6% by the end of the term. if i don't get there, you can fire me. but that is how successful my plan is goi

got greater percentage of hispanic vote despite things he said about mexicans than mitt romney did.ith him in a church in cleveland he talked about breakdown of the family, talked about the importance of jobs. talked about importance of vouchers so inner city kids can take their kids out of a bad, underperforming government school and give their kids a better shot. these are kind of things i thought so-called black leaders would embrace. uma: why do you think many trump opponents, along with the black leaders who are not going along with mr. trump's victory, along with the hollywood celebrities who remain in denial about the fact that donald trump won, and will be the next president, that, and he will be the president of course to all americans, do you think things can calm down after the inauguration? are we going to see more of this going forward, unlike anything we've ever seen before, really? >> what i would like to believe things are going to calm down but i don't think so. this is mass trump derangement syndrome. this march is led by al sharpton, a guy amazes me by continuing

with us a policy director for mitt romney in the 2012 campaign, maria cardona, and andre bauer. welcome back. you guys were in the earlier show. thank you for coming back. andre, i don't know if you got to see the gentleman who was on earlier, jeff jeans. he was a die-hard republican, changed his mind about the affordable care act. did you see the interview? >> i did not see it. >> he talked about how he changed his mind about the affordable care act and that he hopes those who are, as they did in the house of representatives today, starting the process of dismantling the affordable care act that they would not rush it through prematurely, and that if they're going to replace it, they should have something to replace it with before they dismantle it. >> and i totally agree with him. look, the toothpaste is out of the tube on this. there are so many people now, actually there are people who have been fittnefitted. there are some things that need to be kept, but also there are a lot of things that need to be changed. but i think he's right. the republicans should not right out of

it wasn't 22 approval processes like mitt romney's campaign. it felt authentic and real. we were burning up laptop computers and leaving them on tarmacs in the rain doing live stream video. maybe the trump campaign did something different with live stream. i don't see it. the dodd campaign was doing live stream video. >> i agree with all of that. i left bernie sanders for time reasons. >> he gets left out of all these meetings. it's fine. >> i was really just comparing the clinton campaign and trump campaign. bernie sanders, yes, not only the way they use facebook but fund raised also broke all kinds of records and methods. i don't disagree. i hope i wasn't minimizing the importance of technology. i was simply saying despite spending money on technology, having a sophisticated digital operation on the democratic side, nevertheless the sort of ramshackle organization donald trump was able to put through was successful. >> what does it say, 2016 barack obama showed up south by southwest? >> i tend to agree with scott's analysis of this particular conference. even though tha

mitt romney can go take a victory lap on that one, by the way.ve a situation in which the president who said we are shedding all these cold war paradigms, he is the counterpuncher now against russian malign, attempts to influence our election, and malign attempts to reorganize europe. the incoming republican president is what you might call in the soft on russia camp, at least so far, which has split the republican in a very , very interesting way, right. one associates the republican party with that kind of, let's doubt the kremlin mode of thinking. so everything is upside down. charlie: left over from the cold war. jeffrey: left over from the cold war. also, it's not just a left over. the republicans were more exercised about what putin did in dismembering ukraine. the obama administration, they made the right noises concerning that, but they didn't take as much of an effort to stop that as a lot of republicans wanted them to. charlie: the president has his farewell address coming up. part of it will be a valedictory in which he will take note,

mitt romney said so. >> gillian: i was just going to bring that up. remember when mitt romney said that in 2012 and he got laughed out of the room. well, he was right. a couple of things on the cyber front. one is the united states is much better on offense than on defense when it comes to cyber. we've got some of the best folks who are able to penetrate systems around the globe, but for whatever reason, the government has been lagging behind for many, many years now. and in spite of all these efforts, in spite of millions, maybe billions of dollars spread across all these different intelligence agencies over the last decade, we haven't made a lot of progress. there was a cyber czar appointed that was supposed to help manage all of that, dear member at the beginning of the administration? >> sometimes it's not adding another layer of bureaucracy that cures the problem, and we do it with all of these problems. we've seen it with the va. >> harris: how do we square this with the idea of what the president-elect has said about russia? he has a healthy sk

i have bill press and lonnie chin, a former public policy director for mitt romney. mr. press, i'm coming to you in just a second here. lonnie, you first. you know the deal. you know as manu perfectly outlined, the first hesitations in this procedural vote with regard to either hesitation because there's no specific replacement plan or, you know let's face it, 20 million people would be affected. this would be a major political liability. you know speaker ryan well. how will he handle this? >> well, first of all, look, i think paul ryan has been at the forefront of talking about what that replace plan will look like so he's got a lot of great ideas. i think he's going to take a leadership perspective and say, look, here's the policy we've got to move forward with. but politically, i do think it's important for them to have replace following very quickly behind repeal if not at the same time. just to allay concerns that people have about disruption but the power of republicans is going to be at its apex during that first 100 days so they've got to take advantage of that p

round rock mitt romney had a lot , of people at red rock.nt to ohio valley, and there were thousands of people that never come out for republicans, crowds and democratic heartland turned out to see donald trump. that is what i dismissed. i dismissed ground because i'm -- crowds because i miami professional. charlie: who is the most pragmatic, ronald reagan, richard nixon, donald trump? hugh: ronald reagan. he signed the environmental policy act, endangered species act, clean air act. he did not know what was in them. he didn't care. said he didn't know what was in that stuff. he was playing a great game, and he did not care about domestic policy. said he didn't know what was in hugh: hugh hewitt, the conservative playbook for a lasting gop majority. he calls it the fourth way. charlie: thank you. stay with us. right back in a moment. ♪ charlie: french philosopher bernard henry-levi, his book is genius of judaism," the resurgence of anti-semitism and reflects on the jewish state of israel and explores what it means to be a chosen people and t

candidate mitt romney. it's nice to have you with us. appreciate it. oren: thanks for having me. soledad: donald trump ran, of course, as a republican. do you consider him a republican, a conservative sflen oren: by definition he's a republican. he won to republican nomination. participants are coalitions of interests. the republican party doesn't have to be conservative. it wasn't always and maybe it won't always be. he is a republican. i don't think you'd call him a conservative. soledad: where do you see potential rifts with the conservative part of the republican party, which you represent, and what trump supporters represent? oren: conservatives have tenled to focus on the size of government and the role of government in society and to be fairly skeptical of it. to recognize that government can only do so much and when it tries to do more than that it might have bad effects instead of good ones. i think trump has shown less skepticism of that and a lot of confidence that his policies can create the jobs, he can keep the factories where they are, give people the benefits they

in the case of john mccain and mitt romney, it is beyond ridiculous. this isn't principle.al commentary. >> bill: absolutely. all right, bernie. we appreciate it. go to bernardgoldberg.com. read his column. watters on deck. he is running around d.c. and he has a very interesting interviews for us. watters is next. ♪ at all, smaller portion sizes, clear calorie labels, and signs reminding everyone to think balance before choosing their beverages. we know you care about reducing the sugar in your family's diet, and we're working to support your efforts. more beverage choices. smaller portions. less sugar. balanceus.org. and they're absolutely right. they say that it's hot... when really, it's scorching. and while some may say the desert is desolate... we prefer secluded. what is the desert? it's absolutely what you need right now. absolutely scottsdale. ♪ >> bill: "back of the book segment" tonight, "watters' world." there are many, many, many things going on this evening in washington. some of them have to do with hatred, angst. we send watters down to catch some of the flav