mitt romney, i love the man. i would walk over hot coals for him, but he cannot win a republican primary in iowa and new hampshire. you know, it is a different time right now. we will get through this. we will eventually come back around, but it will take time. so yeah, i am not optimistic. rob portman, what an incredibly good guy and quality legislator, and he was almost on the ticket with mitt romney, but there is not a future right now in the short term in the party for him. no grades, we had dinner -- bill graves, we had dinner with bill graves the other night, and he came out and endorsed a democrat in the state. times are changing. gerald: last question, david. >> when you pull republicans on their belief in the big lie on the reading of the election, you get as high as 70% who believe that. mr. newhouse: i get 59% or so. >> is there any way to differentiate between those that believe that? mr. newhouse: that is tough. we do ask on the survey, on some of our surveys among republicans , do you consider yours

remember, this is the man in 2012 when he ran against mitt romney. he said when romney addressed the black group he said republicans want to put you back in chains. he is the president when he didn't like legislation he compared it to jim crow 2.0 and said his opponents are on the side of bull connor. he called them now semi fascists. we have a president who enjoys dividing us using some of the most extreme over the top vitriolic language as possible for half the country. this is terrible language for a president to use. >> i just can't understand what kind of world we live in where a president of the united states takes the stage and has the entire american public, all voters, by the way, watching you and you come out and use that valuable time to insult half of the country. mccarthy has called on biden for an apology. i would bet he should not hold his breath on that. let's watch house minority kevin mccarthy on that. >> president biden has chosen to divide, demean, and disparage his fellow americans. why? simply because they disagree with his poli

since 2012 i did mitt romney's campaign in 2012. the republican party was dominated by higher educated white voters.and now it is dominated by low educated white voters. theshift in a decade has been extraordinary . and i would never have dreamed something like that. >> in socioeconomic terms the parties have almostchanged places . >> all right, we will have to microphones. and people who are, and well i'm going to ask you to do i this again. people watching on youtube can send in questions by emailing. >> questions@ku.edu. >> for those of you in the audienceraise your hand and i call on you . and up, thank you very much for the audience. the hequestion is actually a question and not a speech and it has a? at the end so keep that in mind. who wants to start l? >> something that's been on my mind as you been talking is there's a big leaning in the intelligence community that china might dosomething with taiwan . and that that might draw the us into some sort of peer-to-peer war with china, possibly russia north korea itself. you thin

revenge you know and and also the outliers like liz cheney, adam kinzinger and mitt romney, not a lot of others, but, you know, there are examples of this which do me and sometimes when i speak a little bit to enthusiastic about how inspired i am by liz cheneys of the world, i kind get looked askance. you from people who say oh but about her father and the iraq war so forth or well, look what mitt romney did in 2012 when he was running against a i'm of the belief that it's never too late to do the right thing and to stand up for something as precious for it as democracy and you know i hope that things turn i have real doubts that the republican party at this moment has the fortitude and the will and frankly the courage to do anything about what they all consider privately to be the existential problem for their because it's not conservative, you know, it's been disastrous many ways. it could cost us dearly as a democracy and that sounds again i've been very encouraged that people seem to be laughing on every page. i think there's a lot of undermined ridicule, scorn towards a lot of th

. >> mitt romney put his dog on the car like vacation. >> garage elevator and we had to go after him.anted people to die, this was mitt romney. >> stand for what you believe in because they are coming after you for no matter what. if you think the mainstream media will like you, it's a fantasy. dan: it's only when you are a threat. mccain was an evil threat, and by the way, they will do the same thing to this cheney. patient awards coming up, i'll be there. >> front and center november 17. tickets are going fast. dan: by the way, he was the only one who showed up. i had a bunch of people and they were all occupied. peter haig set showed up because he's a man of his word no one calls me daniel either. still ahead, the left claims they can't speak about biology. then they make ridiculous claims like this. >> there's no such thing as a heartbeat, it's the manufacture designed to convince people men have the right to take control of dan: that actually happened. kayleigh mcenany joins me next.c ha♪ ever get a sign the universe is trying to tell you something? the clues are all around us...

no longer the party of bob dole, no longer the party of john mccain, no longer the party of mitt romney, no longer the party of john boehner and paul ryan. i disagree with them often, but who knew i would miss john boehner and paul ryan? and i say that because we could battle it out on issues and strongly disagree with them, fight it out in the legislative arena, but in america, you should be able to lose an election without being concerned that you will lose your democracy. but that is what we confront right now. that is why the stakes are so high here in iowa. somebody asked me, why are you going to iowa? i am going there to make sure we send cindy ask back to congress -- cindy axne back to congress. we appreciate polk county democrats, the work that you do. two competing visions for america. democrats putting people over politics and extreme maga republicans. we are fighting hard as democrats to move america forward. they want to turn back the clock. we are trying to bring people together. they are tearing us apart. we fight for the people. they fight for the privileged few. we belie

it doesn't do much. >> i mean, i think mitch mcconnell, especially mitt romney, have done their fairiticizing donald trump. you could look at the record for that. yeah, i mean, we're getting late in the cycle, and i guess everyone is trying to win, and people shouldn't check their integrity at the door. i do think mcconnell and romney, and others, have made it a point to push back against some of these candidates. >> not too sharp of a point. i have to get out my magnifying glass were all the upset about the six investigations going on around trump. i will have to look closer into that. how should democrats respond to this? >> stephanie, i'm not trying to be dramatic, but if this trend continues, this is going to make 2020 looked like a nothing burger, a cakewalk, a dress for her soul. this is where authoritarian regimes will take place. this is where democracy goes to die. the only way we could fix this, stephanie, is if we have democrats and republicans, and corporate america coming together, and we know we're not going to have the maga republicans, but we need to have conservative

no longer the party of mitt romney. no longer r the party of john benard and paul ryan. i disagreed with them often but who knew i would miss john benard and paul ryan? and i say that because we could battle it out on issues and strongly disagree with them. be disappointed if we lost an election. fight it out in the legislative a droop arena, the political arena in america in a country like this in our great republic we should be able to lose an election without being concerned that you will lose your democracy. but that's what we confront right now. that's why thestakes are so high . here in iowa. someone asked me you go into iowa what are you going therefore. i said i'm going there to make sure that we send in the actually backto congress . and i'm also going to polk county to help lift states from red to blue.so we appreciate polk county democrats, the work that you do. twocompeting visions for america . democrats putting people over politics and extreme maga republicans. we're fighting hard as democrats to move america forward. they want to turn back the clock. we're

in the connection to the internet mitt romney started out, it employed a bunch of people here in pennsylvania created opportunities in real freedom comes when we respect people's choices over the worship. [applause] [applause] >> we know freedom comes in on the overprinting of our country, and we believe in our democracy. and what was said over healthcare policies but we fundamentally say that we believe in freedom. [applause] [applause] >> in the primaries and are fundamental processes itt seems strange to think about that with the governor's race but the truth is, our democracy and i will cement to you that you have full responsibility here. our democracy was born but in the world is watching. tune 46 years of hard work coming out to whether or not this governors race believes in democracy and given the power of the governor. and with the story of our democracy, 246 years. and, the story goes they step forward and each, people with now with the titles but ordinary citizens, lining up and demanding one thing, that is forward progress and momentum. every chapter in our 246 year history. in th

no longer the party of mitt romney. the longer the party of jon weiner and paul ryan. disagreed with them often, but who knew i would miss jon weiner and paul ryan. [laughter] and i say that because we couldn't battle it out on issues and strongly disagree with them. be bitterly disappointed if we lost an election. fight it out in the legislative arena, the political arena. but in america in a country like this in our great republic you should be able to lose an election without being concerned you will lose your democracy. but that is what we confront right now. that is where the stakes aree so high here in iowa. someone asked me, you're going to iowa what are you going there for? i said well a couple of things. i'm going there to make sure we send cindy back to congress. [cheering] and i'm also going to polk county to help flip stakes and flip seats from red to blue. we appreciate polk county democrats, the work that you do. two competing visions for americaa. democrats putting people over politics. an extreme maga republicans. we are fighting hard as it democrats to

freedom comes -- mitt romney starts with small businesses that -- when we respect people's choices.e know freedom comes when we believe in the fundamental underpinnings of the function of our democracy. we can fight over health care policy and tax policy, but we love this nation. [applause] that's what's on the line. our fundamental democracy. it seems strange to think about that in the context of -- but the truth is our democracy is on the line. you have a big responsibility here, think about it. our country was founded in pennsylvania, given a wild on the road. 246 years of hard work, coming down to whether or not this governors rates -- race is democratically decided. 246 years, we are in the last chapters. in these chapters the story goes -- he gets knocked back a little bit. ordinary citizens rise up and demand one thing, forward progress, forward momentum. every chapter in our two other 46 year history and with forward progress. we just got not back -- knocked back. for the first time. the division in our politics that's creating cancer and hate to in our community, i believe

with very small, you got the sons of john kerry or stuff sort of john kerry and the son of mitt romney a prominent senator of the republican side. so with, as this war is going to wind down and it will wind down. now, in the aftermath of the referenda, because russia, any attack from these countries will be an attack on russia. when you create loses, they can no longer have the economic means to sustain itself. and the united states is going to have once again bet on the wrong horse. and certainly be interesting to see how everything plays out. and of course, how long all of the funding from the u. s. keeps on rolling a former c. i a analysts, larry johnson, thank you so much for your time and analysis. thank you originally. and we'll bring you more stories after the short break. oh, ah. ah, a will never be a victory for russia. wait solution with you when you wait, unless you a new modem, but you look at a crane more is a proxy war. this is a war between russia and the united states. mezzo mom on made. it comes to not should get done in carbon dioxide. america forces are and you're no

a spokesman for the republican national committee during mitt romney's 2012 campaign and communications director for jeb bush's. 2016 presidential campaign. along the way, tim developed a reputation for being pretty skilled apple or opposition research, meaning the spreading of damaging stories about political opponents. and and to this end in 2013, he co-founded an organization that came to be known as america rising. he has since left the gop and pursued a career in media, becoming a writer for the bulwark news and opinion website host of not my party on snapchat and commentator on msnbc. he's also known, of course, as a very vocal critic of donald trump about having been immersed in republican politics for as long as he was. tim knows quite a few of those in the gop who who have stayed and gone along with trump while watching much of what they had once believed in. degraded and devalued in why we did, tim examines what makes some people abandon their principles to align with power, and he doesn't spare himself either. exploring why he got caught up in the political game and and compr

so far. us senator, mitt romney has admitted washington may have over a state of the impacted sanctions would have on the russian economy. he was speaking of that, i just hearing of the senate foreign relations committee, i have the same sense that i'm hearing from both the chairman of the ranking member that we, that we have in our own minds overstated the impact of sanctions. the rubel is actually trading higher than it was before the, the war in global markets. if we cut off access to certain technologies that russia would want to purchase, they can find ways around it. and particularly if their friends are china and india . romney singled out rushers increasing, tied with china on 1st aid china's military defense folks post an announced a quote, deepening of strategic communication between the 2 countries. all trade between the pairs expected to hit an old time reco this year. well, let's learn more about this now. across life, it's from the one go, the geopolitical and market. i'd listen, of course, the publisher of the gold goats and guns used that are always good to see you. tom,

mitt romney's company was moved overseas and a good number of people were out of work. they are saying let's not die diss incentivize work but they take away jobs. dean: this is an interesting question. we devastated our manufacturing workforce through trade in the 1990's and 2000. we lost millions of manufacturing jobs. we devastated the manufacturing workforce and because that was the source of good paying jobs for low educated workers. we lost a huge chunk of the working class. i saw that in the midwest, they would lose a factory essential to the whole town. we paid and a price. the flipside of that is getting them back will not help that much. manufacturing wage used to pay more. you would get 20% more in manufacturing than other areas of the economy, that is no longer true. that is because unions have disappeared. when we bring back manufacturing jobs, there is no reason to think that they will be good job. we saw the supply chain problems through the pandemic, i think it makes more sense to have more of the supply chain here in the united states. president biden i

nixon had hopes may have —- that even people that are going in the opposite directions just like mitt romney talking about the child tax credit and child health. so i like to think that one thing the smoke do is to say here is a battle chapter and verse that is relevant today the argument is very much the same. so i talk to myself one of the things that caused welfare reform to fail was there have been some income maintenance experiments one in seattle and one in denver. and there were very small simple so my question was , with this hope to incentivize people to work? and then to begin to say. we have the income backing. and that was opposing family assistance in the middle of a huge experiment right now. and the payments are now going out to people. if that's any part of the three.6 trillion-dollar exercise get past. in which case you will have it to through five-year expanded run his incredible amount of data generated. but to take a hard look at that policy of income support. >> thank you for writing the book and being friends of the

the voters who voted for donald trump, that is not much higher than the percentage that voted for mitt romney12 and john mccain in 2008. 2000 was the last time there was any meaningful patch of blue in eastern kentucky and there has been a slow movement to where we are now to where eastern kentucky is one of the reddest regions in the country even though the promises uncle were not kept. >> how was hillary clinton pause comment about deplorable is received in that area? >> that was not received well but there was another comment that could not be more tone deaf. in telling a green energy plan, we will put a lot of coal miners out of work. she went on to put that into context and a way that softened her statement. we are going to put a lot of coal miners out of work. that was -- not keeping in mind how important coal mining was to the heritage of the region. it made hillary clinton the perfect foil in 2016. >> is the coal industry declined, you write about the rise of illicit drugs and drug abuse in the region. at the time, oxycontin was a big issue. it has been supplanted by methadone and sen

people like mitt romney to vote for impeachment.ple were still going to buy this and buy their secrets. after they raided the president's house. if you are rating a political opponents house, you better have a darn good reason you better be very right with it. after seven years of lying, they tried to say it was secrets and then they said the nuclear word to scare everyone. then they had implying it was russian spying and then they released that complete and fake and empty affidavit. they are coming out with this picture of documents. they have not made a case to the american people. the onus is on them. they've already become an internet meme and thank goodness finally republican senators and congressmen and pundits are immediately -- no one is sitting on enhancing less wait-and-see. everyone is looking to the doj and fbi say you show the evidence. if you rate your political opponents house the united states, you better have a darn good reason you better privy to us and not say it's too secret for the kids. >> pete: the chairman of

in 2012 they ran the ad with paul ryan pushing a lady over the cliff while mitt romney sang america the is the same tactic the democrats have been doing every time they've been desperate. >> 48% of registered voters call biden's rhetoric heated and healthy. 42% call it overheated and dangerous. polling from fox also ranks voters' top issues inflation is number one at 89%. future of democracy second at 85%. political divisions and crime tying at 79%. but again the inflation issue, he is not only ignoring it, dismissing it, but their policies are making it worse. the greater the burden on the federal reserve to fight it t greater the downturn. this country is headed toward a very deep long-lasting recession next year. >> 100%. the idea that first of all he just celebrated this inflation reduction act which doesn't reduce -- even on paper didn't reduce inflation. p penn wharton said it was neutral on inflation and moody's, doesn't improve inflation. the claim that it's neutral on inflation was because it reduced the deficit by $275 million. a couple days later he introduces this plan to fo

he is the guy when mitt romney ran, was that the republicans want to put black americans in chains.s the man who said that if you oppose him, it is bull connor. if you oppose -- if you supported the georgia election law, its jim crow 2.0. he called people who opposed him semisemisemifascists. if he really cared about democracy, how come he doesn't criticize stacey abrams for refusing to recognize that brian kemp legitimately beat her in 2018. why doesn't he criticize his own press secretary who said that election was stolen. why didn't he criticize hillary clinton and jimmy carter who called donald trump an illegitimate president. both sides engage in this rhetoric but when one side democracy is in danger, than you know the only thing they are saying is if you don't support my party, that's democracy being in danger. it's nonsense. our democracy is thriving and it will thrive even warmer joe biden leaves office. >> raymond: when he said if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. he's basically saying if you don't vote for me, you're not american. mercedes, last word. >> i've got to

i only meant this and he won't clarify what a maga republican is, is mitt romney a maga republican?s liz cheney moderate republican who hailed overturning of roe v. wade? is pretty clear as an election strategy but even people like van jones on cnn are saying you were elected to be america's grandpa and the grumpy old man yelling guy thing is going to work and i agree. it's an election strategy to put trump up front, get people away from talking about record inflation, supply chain bombs and baby formula shortage, not shutting down the virus going into an election with these issues that are table issues and this isn't recent behind me, by the way. kennedy: what a wonderful country, thank you for bringing that up because it's a dracula's place. so jessica, stephen brought up row and it's one thing for the vice president to go out and forcefully state the case against the overturning of roe v. wade which is one of the few things even her supporters would say she kind of did that well, what is the bigger issue for democrat voters? is it roe or inflation? >> i think it will always be in

i was there in 2123 i saw it live when he said mitt romney is going to put people back in chains. he's going to heal a nation? that's not based in reality. >> let's pick up on that point. the president has undertaken a significant rhetorical shift over the last few weeks. he billed himself as a uniter in chief, that's the focus, his campaign stump speech, his inaugural address. he's now resorting to the sick burn names were former president trump supporters like semi fascist and maga extremists. who is telling the president that this is a winning political strategy for him? >> let's be clear. he's not talking about president trump supporters. he's talking about the mag improvement. there are many fine americans -- >> the maga movement is made up of many who support trump. >> that's why you saw his defeat because of people who moved away from him after they had buyer's remorse. >> gillian: but 74 million people to vote for him for that to the president is talking about. >> no. the president is talking about the people who stormed the capital on january 6th. please look at the remar

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attorney for the eastern district of michigan, stuart stevens joins as a veteran of the mitt romney and george w. bush presidential campaign, he's now with the lincoln project, and my friend and colleague john allen senior national politics reporter here at nbc news. barb, i have to give it to you first trump has had a lot of legal setbacks on a lot of friends this week, and now the intel community is going back to those classified documents. i'm guessing that cannot be good for trump, why else would he have been fighting against it so hard? >> yeah, stephanie, also i think one thing that is important is the 11th circuit also ruled that they may look at it from an intelligence risk assessment and also a criminal investigation because those two tests are intertwined, i imagine some of what they are doing is trying to assess who had access to those documents, why were their empty file folders for example in those types of things could point to criminal responsibility for donald trump. i also think that michael cohen clip that you play there is fascinating. you know, i don't know whether h

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fact-check post because this became an issue during obama's reelection in 2012 when he was up against mitt romney. can you tell us about that? what did president obama want to do with the welfare program? >> it's interesting. obama was one of the presidents who didn't do that much with the welfare program. reagan, nixon, carter, ford. they were all very involved. obama much less so because it was a much more settled issue when he became the president. he had other things to deal with like the recession. i don't know exactly specifically what you are referring to, but that's the general background. >> i think it was during the great recession, there was exemption for areas with high unemployment. which is built into the law. obama got that expanded as part of his recovery legislation. so he was allowing more people in those areas do not have to meet the work environment -- requirement because there wasn't work available. then the heritage foundation and a lot of conservatives really gave him a hard time about that. but that eventually went away. >> another thing that's interesting is when obama wa

he said in 2012 that mitt romney, of all people, would put african-american citizens back in chains. justice has not taken steps necessary to try to prevent political violence. you had left wing agitators outside the homes of supreme court justices this summer in clear violation of federal law and they refused to arrest a single one of them. that whole episode culminated in a democratic hit man trying to assassinate brett kavanaugh. not a single person who organized those unlawful gatherings outside of justice's homes have been arrested and brought to justice. i think joe biden needs to look in the mirror and look at fellow liberals when he talks about sources of division in the country. >> harris: you came with some examples that we haven't forgotten them. when you talk about them that way it is quite a stack. and so much offensiveness in there. so many points where he could start with i wish i hadn't said this, let's do it differently. i do want to get to this real quickly. he is decrying that hate after attacking the g.o.p. he is saying we have to do better. a "new york post" op-e

. >> ask mitt romney about that.cked by the crowd because of people like officer goodman, and still all of these months after the january 6th riot at the capitol, it's staggering to look at the crowds and what happened that day, and to consider the fact that so many people in public life, members of the house of representatives, largely belonging to one party, the republican party deny the violence that occurred in one span of time. >> they won't acknowledge that testimony. thank god for people like officer goodman. >>> senate majority whip dick durbin will be here with his reaction to the lawsuit filed by the new york attorney general against donald trump. >>> also ahead an nbc exclusive investigation reveals scientists working at the foremost national security lab were paid as much as a million dollars to help china develop cutting edge weapons. >> and u.s. ambassador to the u.n., linda thomas-greenfield joins the table following president biden's address to the united nations. you're watching "morning joe." we'll

if youlike listen to comments from previousnominees like mitt romney and in other words this is not rarepublicans versus democrats . thisan is mainstream republicans and democrats versus maga extremists. udthis election is about mainstreamgh versus maga and i'm proud we have a president that knows right from wrong. >>ab there was discovery about the president delivering a partially political speech in front of those marines in dress uniform. democrats railed again presidenttrump when he made political remarks in nonpartisan ffsettings, how is this different ? rs>> i wouldn't miss the larger point liand those critics f didn't complain when donald trump literally aged the fourth night of the republican political convention on the newhite house lawn. military to clear peaceful protesters in t lafayette parkso that i wouldn't miss the larger point . the point is mainstream onrepublicans and democrats agree on things like it's wrong to attack the united states capital, to spread a pernicious lieabout the electionm being stolen . to steal our nation's secrets and keepthem down there at the motel mar-a-

when he referred to mitt romney, who was hardly a maga republican, as somebody who would put you back in chains. this has always been the tactic of joe biden. he used it in an extreme effort time and time again. it is just who he is. i think he is very bitter and desperate and i don't think he knows what else to do. he is defaulting to his core, which is lashing out at people. >> harris: so if you look historically, this is an opportunity for republicans because when you are name calling, as we all taught our children at young ages, you are out of ideas. he is old. is he out of ideas? then republicans can take advantage of that. how so, jason? >> well, i think america is desperate for direction. unfortunately i do think -- with all due respect -- i think donald trump is the loudest voice in the room. democrats want this to be all about donald trump. but it is not. it's about issues that people really care about. right now the republican leadership is a little weak in coming back and getting up in the grill of the democrats in expressing this. you don't hear the minority leader of the

john allen, senior national politics reporter for nbc news and stewart stevens, veteran of the mitt romney. bush presidential campaigns. now with the lincoln project. stuart, you have worked with all sorts of campaigns over the years. i got a close look at john fetterman. what do you think? >> i think it would be a great camping to work for. they are having fun. and people -- it's not a bad sign of who is going to win the campaign, as to which candidate isn't during the campaign the most. people like that they're doing well. and when things are going, well clearly they, are and the fetterman campaign. look i think you've got to hand it to these the campaign him, they're telling us what the guy is. he's not trying to change himself. and a particularly matches -- who it's just this sort of cartoon character of somebody who has no idea why he's running other than just sort of -- ambition and can't articulate any policy which is a general problem republicans have. and i'm beginning to realize, they do not have any policy in this campaign. >> yes, john fetterman is not changing who he is. that

and stuart stevens joins us to, a veteran of the mitt romney and george w. bush campaigns.ow with the lincoln project. guys, let's get scared. what is at stake with election deniers on the ballot in key states, arizona, pennsylvania, michigan. jonathan, i turn to you first, right? the whole thought was, let's get these far right crazies on the ballot, they will be easy to beat, is that a good idea? >> you know, well, we will find out for sure, stephanie, in november. but i have been concerned that things have been so volatile in american politics for quite a while now that this is a gamble that i hope democrats win because if some of these election deniers get elected to some of these key places, democrats will rue the day that they gambled with democracy this way. the key, the key state i'm thinking of, and have been thinking of this whole time is pennsylvania, with doug mastriano as the republican nominee for governor. now, when i talk about governor's race, and why pennsylvania? because the pennsylvania governor, whether it's democrat or propublica and gets to appoint th