i actually do want to say that i admire mitt romney as well. it is important to have people in washington work across the aisle and he is one of the few people who voted to impeach donald trump from the republican side of the aisle. he has spoken out numerous times about the insurrection on january 6. if i ever get a chance to meet mitt romney i will tell him, good job. that doesn't mean i necessarily supported him in the election of 2012 but i recognize when someone puts america pursed and mitt romney puts america first. host: you are not a billionaire? guest: i am not a billionaire. host: are you a millionaire? guest: i am. host: what would you tell people who ask about your finances? guest: my net worth is between 1 million and $10 million. a lot of it is invested in start up companies or in venture capital funds. and i am a general part it -- partner in investing in companies that do good. part of what makes america great is you can become a millionaire in so many different ways. there are small businesses creating 70% of jobs and create th

mckay, your book on mitt romney is excellent. people should read it to help understand the republican party here to thank you both so much for joining me today. appreciate it. >>> congressman adam schiff is standing by in the studio. i will ask him about the new indictments facing trump allies and the former president a brazen call for absolute immunity. that conversation is coming up in just 60 seconds. stay right where you are. are. power e*trade's easy to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans help you find new trading opportunities, while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. e*trade from morgan stanley >>> okay. here is a sign of the times we are living in. one day before donald trump's lawyers made the preposterous claim he is immune from prosecution for trying to steal the election, we learned is also an unindicted co- conspirator for trying to do the same thing in two states, two pretty important ones. arizona and michigan. that is not too much and he has also be

— like myself or ted cruz, but mitt romney looks like harvard, acts like harvard, _ romney looks liketo take a republican he would _ they were going to take a republican he would take senator mitt romney was standing down from the senate in november~ _ was standing down from the senate in november. keeping in mind, for he was senate, — november. keeping in mind, for he was senate, he had a very distinguished career and not only is the governor as his feet as massachusetts or his connection there. _ massachusetts or his connection there. lrut— massachusetts or his connection there, but also as a turnaround specialist — there, but also as a turnaround specialist that saved the salt lake city olympics and believe in the late 80s — city olympics and believe in the late 805 or 905. so he could be uniquely— late 805 or 905. so he could be uniquely suited for the job and it is starting — uniquely suited for the job and it is starting to get some serious discussion— is starting to get some serious discussion in this country. always wanted to be _ discussion in this country. always wanted to b

if ten more had joined their republican colleagues, mitt romney among them and the democrats, donald trump would not be able to run for office right now. they had this moment. and i end the piece by saying, look, i believe if the country goes a certain way, if history goes a certain way, we'll be raising statues to mitt romney and people like rob portman wilo be lucky they're forgotten because that's exactly your point. you're not a plumber, you're not inmb advertising. you took an oath to uphold the constitution, and you were there when the capitol was invaded. >> it is as many things you write are very, very smart and very essential in these times. >> thank you. >> and just i love the atlantic forever for the service you do not just for us as readers but for us as a democracy, see keep it up boss. >> thank you. >> it's good to see you, jeffre, goldberg at the atlantic. >>> stillrg to come tonight dond trump's new lifeline is raising a lot offe questions. we'll look at some explosive new reporting around its origin story. but first special counsel jack smith is signaling his patienc

senator mitt romney said alvin bragg,s quote, made a poor political choice. this will not move the needle with voters. senator john cornyn called the case, quote, untenable. senator j.d. vance called it, quote, prepostif rouse. what do you say, bill? >> i say they're saying the obvious, right? everyone knows what this is. this is a farce. it never should have been brought. it was based on a misdemeanor where the statute of limitations had expired, and they tethered it to federal law to come up with these 34 felonies. it's just crazy. it's, like, throw anything at the wall and see what sticks. i think it's going to, like most of this, is going to redound to donald trump's favor. he's playing it in the media even with the gag. and people can see it's just a game. i think the new york legal system has been permanently tainted by this kind of thing. if it was anyone else but the name trump, it never would have been brought, this case. elizabeth: yeah. you know, senator john cornyn is agreeing with you, saying he's baffled why bragg brought it in the first place.

we're going to risk for mitt romney, risk eating alone in the senate dining room because no one wants to sit with you anymore. or risk something far more dangerous. the truth is most humans, you know, are weak or have long moments of weakness and they want to fit in and they want to get along and they want to protect their incomes and do all these things that are per ticketly understandable. so i think we think of complicity as this terrible thing and rare, but it's not. it's the norm. >> i think anne applebaum has written so brilliantly, but we're not talking about normal, everyday americans. we're not talking about people who wanted to be in advertising or plumbing or whatever. we're talking about people who wanted to be in government because they understood a certain set of principles and wanted to help uphold them. >> and that's my point. it's like -- there are 43 republicans who voted against conviction, right? if ten more had joined their republican colleague, mitt romney among them, and the democrats, donald trump would not be able to run for office right now. they had this mom

and i have to say, mitt romney is a reminder. look at his colleagues in the senate. people like ted cruz. marco rubio. i have been thinking about them today with this extraordinary testimony and i think it is really gripping testimony from the former boss of the national enquirer admitting under oath on the stand he is essentially working in concert with donald trump and his minions in 2016 to plant false stories about trump's opponents including ted cruz. vicious lies about those senators. now they are endorsing donald trump. working for donald trump. they are sucking up to donald trump. under oath, the former head of the national enquirer is admitting he essentially humiliated these men in pursuit of donald trump's white house candidacy. and the shamelessness, the willingness of these folks to commit sort of like to basically base themselves. it is really humiliating. >> i think so. so george, you are the tabled republican. >> listen don johnson. >> you are our table republican tonight. in republican circles, when news like this comes out. when you have david being

he's about 20 points better in flint than he does than mitt romney did. now turns up again in the 2016 campaign because of the policies of flint water crisis. so you had only a lot of nonwhite have not only a big population of you know people of typically white working class voters formerly employed in the auto industry but no longer, but you also had a huge miner population and you had a huge drop off in turnout in those community. and you also saw the margins start to shrink now in 2020. look, the polls pretty unambiguous that. biden had a decisive advantage going into the election. in fact, led in the final polling averages by eight points. he only ends up winning the election by 4.5 percentage points and really more technically accurately, 42,000 votes in three states. you know wins him that. so it's a lot actually a lot closer than people expected and what really was decisive factor in that was you had places in states like florida a huge surge of latino support for donald trump in places like south texas, particularly the nonwhite vote moved very st

i think also mitt romney, the mitt romney that accepted donald trump's endorsement in 2012, was trying to become president. he was in he was pursuing the most powerful in the world and he made a thousand little moral compromise stacked on top of each other to try get that job. and that is kind of the reality of running president now. you know i don't know that everybody makes the same of ethical compromises, but all of our political leaders confront ethical lines when they're running for office. and most them cross them because that's what they've told themselves. they have to do to get the job. and then say, once i'm there, i'll be able to do so much good at that at all. it'll make it worth these these ethical compromises as the mitt romney that up voting for trump's impeachment twice became the first senator in history to vote for the impeachment or conviction. a president from his own party was the was who had given up on becoming. and i think that explains the difference. you know he told me that when he looks back on his something that has become glaringly apparent in the republic

mckay, your book on mitt romney is excellent. people should read it to help understand the republican party. thank you both for joining me. >>> adam schiff is standing by. i will ask him about the new indictments basin trump allies and the former president's calls for absolute immunity. that's coming up in 60 seconds. and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. >>> okay, here's the sign of the times we are living in. want a before trump's lawyers made the preposterous claim he's immune from prosecution for trying to steal the election, we learned he's an unindicted co-conspirator for trying to do the same thing and two states. arizona and michigan. not to mention he has been charged for the same scheme in georgia. as my next guest quote these came together in the january 6 insurrection. and insurrection of trump and cited to disrupt the lawful count of electoral votes and attempt to hold onto power propelled by

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i do want you to hear what we heard from senator mitt romney. >> i think there's no question but thatto result in a conviction because the test of a high crime or misdemeanor being committed has not been alleged and as a result of that, there will not be a conviction. >> you've already said you agree with mitt romney. >> he just said the same thing i said. >> there was no high crime and misdemeanor, but does this impact or limit the secretary's ability to do his job right now going through these impeachment proceedings? >> it distracts the secretary from his ability to do the job. being secretary of dhs is border security. it's maritime security. it's aviation security. it's port security. it's oversight of the secret service. it's oversight of fema, tsa. i could go on and on, and dragging ale mayorkas through an impeachment process takes him away from all of the vital things that americans depend upon the dhs secretary to do to protect our homeland, and in my opinion, this is why americans are so fed up with washington. rather than solve the problem, address the problem for their con

. >> i want to listen to something that senator mitt romney said earlier today. watch this. >> i think everybody has made their own assessment of president trump's character, and so far as i know, you don't pay someone $130,000 not to have sex with you. >> you do not pay someone 130 grand not to have sex with you. susan glasser, i never thought i would say, savage words coming from mitt romney but alas, here we are. >> here we are, but i have to say, mitt romney is a reminder, look at his colleagues in the senate, people like ted cruz, marco rubio, i've been thinking about them today with this extraordinary testimony and i think it's really gripping testimony from the former boss of the national enquirer, admitting, under oath, on the stand , that he essentially is working in concert with donald trump, and his minions in 2016 to plant false stories about trump's opponents including ted cruz, including marco rubio. vicious, personal lives, about both of those senators, not only are they, here we are eight years later, they are endorsing donald trump, they are work

so there, mitt romney was asked about it today, senator mitt romney, republican from utah and here's what he had to say i'm not getting into the trial trial underway and the jury will make their decision that somebody would say about his character. i think everybody has made their own assessment president trump's character and so far as i know, you don't pay someone $130,000 not to have sex with you i mean, i know about as much as may romney does, but it does seem to make sense. you don't pay $130,000 to somebody to not have sex with you? >> or to a fair statement mourning. >> keep quiet about something that didn't happen necessarily you know, it's interesting about marco rubio was asked earlier today about what's going on. and he basically said he belittled the report from the national enquirer said something isn't that the same publication? that says national enquirer? that's the same publication that said elvis was alive and living in curacao. but he was asked about the tactics of negative stories about him being planted in the national enquirer to help trump during the republican

i remember meeting mitt romney when i was prime minister when he was a candidate, and i think tony recentlyng with keir starmer, the leader labour. so such things are quite appropriate. in the meantime, the united states has to dodge in order to transfer at least some weapons to kiev. so it became known that the united states sent confiscated iranian kalashnikov assault rifles, machine guns and ... intended for the yemeni houthis to ukraine, and washington also demands that kiev stop attacks on russian oil refining infrastructure. at a hearing in the senate, pentagon chief lloyd austin advised choosing other targets so as not to provoke a global fuel crisis. of course, these attacks could have a domino effect on the global energy landscape. and frankly speaking, i think it is better for ukraine to strike tactically. of course, if i were russia, i wouldn't want this. if american money for the war with russia is not yet going to ukraine, coffins with american citizens continue to arrive in the opposite direction. according to the russian ministry of defense, more than a thousand american troo

it was not that long ago that mitt romney arguably part of the narrative about mitt romney he that prevented him from winning the 2012 election was that he had put his dog seamless, whose name i still remember on the roof of his car for several hours while driving on a family vacation in 1983. this is a lot worse than that. i think animal rights activists would agree. >> i think what's what about is she's defending it today. it's saying and if she believes it shows that she's like a quality of grid, but this wasn't investigative reporting. this didn't come from a political opponent. she wrote about this in her own book. that's coming out next month. i can't figure out what the strategy was. i guess there's one school of thought that she was getting out ahead of the story that perhaps people knew about this. and if she is truly a vp contender, as people think that maybe she wanted to try and tell the story on her own terms people do do that with all sorts of negative information that they they assume will come to light or she's sort of pitching herself. i mean, trump doesn't like dogs. famous

adviser for tim scott for america, former nrcc communications director and an aide to jeb bush and mitt romney also have former democratic senator from missouri, claire mccaskill, msnbc political analyst and co-host of "how to win 2024" podcast, okay, ryan. do we have a sense now of how this is going to play out as we see folks gathering there on the floor, what are you watching for? >> reporter: yeah, chris, i still think there's a lot of unknowns as to how this process will play itself out. we do expect that republicans are going to do everything they possibly can to try and slow this process down, putting out points of order or bringing motions to the floor that they will hope will extend this process. normally, the senate is a place where one particular member has an unbelievable amount of power to slow this process down, it's going to be a little bit different in this segt. setting. this is a senate trial. it requires 51 votes to continue or slow down or stop the process. so at any point the senate majority leader chuck schumer could theoretically just stand up and say i'd like to offer u

if you look at mitt romney when he was running for president he wasn't the same mitt romney he was todayment today. there's one book i'd recommend you to read, well a lot of books. adam's book, you would have a philosophical belief, but you only have this much of the information and you get new information and change your opinion, is that wrong? no, i think that's intellectual and you should challenge yourself on that. in today's society and somebody got more information, oh, i have a different opinion on this, the country would go after you. you would want to start rewarding that. tom cain is doing a great job. >> thank you for coming and answering questions. my name is kwan, i'm studying government, i'm a senior. under -- you talked a little about hanging chads and inconsistencies across the country when it comes to elections, but under your leadership, the republican party blocked at every turn democratic attempts to standardize elections across the country. and you yourself, after january 6th, you went down to mar-a-lago and you stood beside a person who after many frivolous lawsuits wer

when he was running for president, he wasn't the same that mitt romney that he was today.here's one book i would recommend for you and adam think again it is a great book adam is a professor. you will have a philosophical belief right now but if you have this belief and this much was information and you get new information and change your opinion is that wrong? no. i think that's intlek comul. intellectual and you should challenge yourself on that but more information andsh said i he a different opinion on this the country would go after you no you want to start rewarding that. cain is diagnose a great job too. >> hello thank you for coming and answering questions i'm quan studying government i'm a senior. under -- you talked a little bit about hanging chads and inconsistent cities across the country when it comes to elections but under your leadership --he the republican party blocked it every turn. democratic attempts to standardize elections across the country. you after january ofth mar-a-lago stood beside a person after manynd frivolous lawsuits were thrown out you sa

mitt romney, wow. bring it home, willie. >> yeah, mitt romney going in there, obviously no love lost between those two men. mitt romney, expect to hear more of that throughout the campaign. >> expert legal analysis on yesterday's testimony in the hush money trial and the gag order against trump. straight ahead. >>> president biden's joke came while he was campaigning in florida. on the issue of reproductive rights and women's health care, blaming trump for overturning roe and these extreme abortion laws. we'll show you more of the president's speech. quite a flex going down to florida while trump was stuck in court in new york city. on capitol hill, a top republican admits it's trump's fault that border security hasn't passed. we knew that. to hear this republican say it really brings it home. willie, i had the news on all day, if i heard the word pecker one more time, i was going to lose my mind. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to

i actually do want to say that i admire mitt romney as well.is important to have people in washington work across the aisle and he is one of the few people who voted to impeach donald trump from the republican side of the aisle. he has spoken out numerous times about the insurrection on january 6. if i ever get a chance to meet mitt romney i will tell him, good job. that doesn't mean i necessarily supported him in the election of 2012 but i recognize when someone puts america pursed and mitt romney puts america first. host: you are not a billionaire? guest: i am not a billionaire. host: are you a millionaire? guest: i am. host: what would you tell people who ask about your finances? guest: my net worth is between 1 million and $10 million. a lot of it is invested in start up companies or in venture capital funds. and i am a general part it -- partner in investing in companies that do good. part of what makes america great is you can become a millionaire in so many different ways. there are small businesses creating 70% of jobs and create the mo

i recall mitt romney spoke mentioned many republicans were leaning toward impeaching trump in one ofr him at the doubt because they feared for the personal safety. it seems very likely that the same reason applies to the russia tried to impeach mayorkas without any merit. here i have a question about law and policy. since people who are approached with brides are legally obligated to report them with each it become parties to the bride, why are people of a a card to anne when did been threatened as metabolic is not just a matter of choice come to let the public know what people in public and elected officials are actually having their positions and actions influence by threats? that something the public should be aware. can't just be a matter of happenstance. >> guest: that's an interesting question. i've that would hurt it framed that way before. the capitol policee track threas very closely. probably for logistical and security reasons but he's not disclose in real time. but certainly in the aftermath of genuine six we've seen unprecedented levels of threats come members have 6 tal

mitt romney was completely pro choice as the governor of massachusetts. and then when he ran for president as a republican in 2012, he completely flip- flopped and became as anti- abortion as any other republican. so when donald trump says as he did this week that the republican position on abortion is just politics, he means it. and he is not the first one. he is not the first one to think so cynically about republican abortion politics. last time republican candidates debated abortion was 24 years ago. when john mccain wanted to ban all abortions with exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. and george w. bush didn't appear to understand his own no exceptions position. >> do you believe in the exemption in abortion for case of rape, incest, and the life of the mother? you know it is interesting. you are talking about printed material that is mailed out. here is one that says that george w. bush supports the pro life plane. your position is that you believe there is an exception for rape, incest and the life of the mother but you want the pla

i remember thinking to myself why is mitt romney not doing anything? putting together his team for the general election. there is a danger in the president letting joe biden tee off on him while is he in court. i hope they have a counter campaign strategy and a counter legal strategy. >> ainsley: the irony here is they are accusing donald trump of election interference, paying these people off before the election, yet, they are keeping him in court. the judge and the prosecutor. it's already in. we already know. some of them ran on getting donald trump. they are interfering with the election while joe biden is flying on air force one. going out there campaigning. president trump is sitting in a courtroom. >> brian: good news for trump is is he a terrible campaigner. president biden goes for 12 minutes and runs out of gas. almost a half of it the closed caption can't figure out what he is saying. that's advantage. he doesn't have barack obama that he is running against. >> ainsley: talk about the protest. today is the beginning of passover. pro-palestin

if you look in her early career he's not the same mitt romney he was today. is what i recommend you to read. adam is a professor if you have us philosophical belief is that wrong? no. that's intellectual. you should challenge yourself on that. today society someone got more information to set have a different opinion on this, the country would go after you. so thank you. >> thank you for coming and answering questions. i am setting government, i am a senior. you talk a little bit about hanging chad's and inconsistencies across the country when it comes to elections. but under your leadership of the republican party blocked every turn democratic attempts to standardize elections across the country. you your self after generate 26yuan to mar-a-lago and stood beside a person who come after many frivolous lawsuits were thrown out you said this is still the guy who should be leading our party. do you feel you have turned your back on democracy to any degree? >> thank you for the question. [applause] we have distrust and democracy. if i let your questions stand and

i remember talking to mitt romney about this, the utah senator.id when you are as entrenched in a political party as somebody like bill barr is, or somebody like mitt romney, you spend decades making friends, allies, getting money from the public institutions. it is really hard to disentangle yourself from that party apparatus. turning on trump in the year 2024, as was true in 2020 and 2016, it kicks you out of your whole social ecosystem. i think that is probably part of what is going on with these republicans you just showed. i think they don't want to be people without a party and so they go out to trump even though they know how dangerous he is. >> such a brilliant explanation for it, mckay. a deeply thoughtful one. i was struck by the fact that bill barr calls of ofer biden a vote for national suicide and i wonder if from your conversations with republicans, what lies at the root of that? this idea that the progressive agenda is so suicidal that it trumps, part of the metaphor, what bill barr has outlined, a series of grave concerns about his

i remember when i was prime minister meeting _ remember when i was prime minister meeting mitt romneying with keir starmer, the labour lead in munich, so these _ starmer, the labour lead in munich, so these things are proper but it was a _ so these things are proper but it was a private meeting sol so these things are proper but it was a private meeting so i do not have _ was a private meeting so i do not have anything to add to your questions —— the labour leader. we discussed _ questions —— the labour leader. we discussed a — questions —— the labour leader. we discussed a range of important geopolitical subjects. 0n hostages, i geopolitical subjects. 0n hostages, i would _ geopolitical subjects. 0n hostages, i would just say, we are doing everything we can to help and there are two— everything we can to help and there are two british nationals and others with british connections so we are doing _ with british connections so we are doing everything we can and i would make _ doing everything we can and i would make the _ doing everything we can and i would make the point that ultimate

when mitt romney ran he got 6%. donald trump got 12%.eam media loves to call him the triple john mccain double mitt romney and i think it will do better in 2024 then an '16 or '20 which is wonderful news because republicans should make roads in minority communities. under donald trump we're watching it happen. >> and we can get maybe a crystal ball and what might happen november 5th through the latest "wall street journal" poll. african american men now support from 30%, biden 57%, that is an 18-point increase for trump over 2020. black women, smaller increase from a 5% he is up now to 11%. biden had 93% of black women back in 2,020. this is obviously having to give biden heartburn. >> if those numbers are true democrats are locked out of the white house they will surge in the white house with almost 60 seats between 55 and 60 and keep the house or the margins in the house. that is extraordinary for republicans to get 30% or donald trump is 30% of the black male vote. i have been part of one group, john where i saw the support triple. th

the recent head of the republican party ronna mcdaniel supported when her uncle, mitt romney did not.ere families who disagreed politically. >> to be there at thanksgiving. >> to go to the kennedy compound this summer. >> probably no invite. thanks, scott. >> an important recall to tell you about from trader joe's. shoppers beware because the chain is pulling its infinite herb brand organic basil from shelves after it was linked to a salmonella outbreak and it was sold here in california from february 1st to the april 6th. the cdc says 12 people from serve states have been infected with an outbreak strain of salmonella. if you purchased this basil you are being advised to throw it away or return it to trader joe's for a refund. >> let's go check the garden. >> and the weather finally cooperating a little bit. >> kari has a beautiful garden. she grows vegetables and flowers. >> i grow a lot of herbs out there. >> oh, very nice! a little basil, thyme, rosemary. >> a good time to do that today. the weather will be certainly for it and planting wise you want the window between no rain and

say, and i think that this is performative, but there are republicans, including republicans like mitt romney, mitch mcconnell saying, look we ought to have a little debate on this before we table it. and i'm romney effectively said, look, i'll be happy to get rid of this and dismiss it. but we have to give it a little bit of a hearing rather than just saying no because the house voted for it. now, if you'll recall the house didn't have an easy time passing this. it tried once and it failed and then it try it again and it passed narrowly so wasn't exactly popular in the house either so i think they're going to have to chuck schumer's going to have to find a way to kind of let some people speak their peace. and then dispose of it as quickly as it can run based on the way that gloria outlined the effort to get there too in into this potential debate. what do you think the incentive would be for chuck schumer to let republicans go ahead and speak and essentially say their piece about the secretary yeah, i think to a point, obviously, you know that the capacity for really any senator, but certain

we're talking about senators like senator mitt romney here. but it's unclear at this point if a time agreement will come to fruition, and if it doesn't because of a group of very conservative senators who want to see a full trial play out, then it'll just move straight to a motion to dismiss. and this thing may be wrapped up in just a down canful hours -- couple of hours. >> host: as far as those republicans that that may want to slow up the process, do they have any tools at this point to do so? and who are some of the voices that you might, we might hear from today? >> guest: absolutely. there's a few procedural tools in their belt, and we know at this point that a time agreement was floated to a few senators' offices haas night. those senators included eric schmidt and some more conservative members. and we also saw them have a press conference yesterday, those senators including rick scott, ron johnson and a few others who have told schumer we want a full trial. but at this point it's all democratic voting senators including a few key inde

yeah you know but i will say this like the conversation we've had, what i worked for mitt romney, you know, some of you all covered him when he was in the primary against whether it's nuclear gingrich or others, rick santorum, they have a boom lit and the rami team, we'd all kinda come in and basham with opposition research and you go ads and make they fall back down. >> you talking about when you worked for jeb from around okay. but then i worked for jeb and the phenomenon that we all kinda talk about, this has been, been talking about for a decade, was okay. trump comes up already the go just kinda playbook that we've done with romney and all of a sudden, what for decades, one plus one equal to one plus one suddenly equals three. >> i see what you, it's, it's, it doesn't make sense. >> and so i think with the tough challenge, we've been doing this for a decade now so what i hear from democrats, oh, he's, you know, trump's this, trump's that it's okay. but wait a minute what is different than what people have been saying since 2015 about this? i think that is a challenge for them as