hispanics you know how good the battles in the presidential race played a bit between between mitt romney john mccain and donald trump with this batiks donald trump so many many hispanics like republicans like this dance like what we're saying so let's not make it seem like it's black against like and you could categorize events evil people just as spanish we're talking about asian people we're talking about people from africa and the caribbean and you're talking about florida for instance the one point four million people who just got their voting rights back ok are the majority of them are black and brown people who are probably not going to be voting for the republican phone you're them in jail if ferguson like a criminal but your criminal not steve elliott i'd rather be august the rapists and violent crimes joke after voting rights absolutely i mean that the republicans just got shellacked and california and the house orange county served blue and this is a reaction to that i mean they think that the republicans are trying to manufacture . a situation where they will still be able to retain power

>> joining me now is msnbc political analyst mike murphy, former senior adviser to mitt romney, jeb bush and john mccain msnbc political analyst robert costa >> -- i'm afraid >> have we lost mike murphy? can you hear us? mike murphy? robert >> i'm here, andrea. why don't you bail me out here and talk about the shutdown. what are you hearing from the sources about whether the president will invoke this emergency procedure which will create legal challenges, but he might have some legal standing, at least, to get past the first court barriers >> we wrote about this in today's post, making a lot of calls sunday to sources, andrea. i got the impression from top officials and advisors to the president now that the shutdown is over you still want -- the president still wants this wall. he's also skeptical of this conference committee on capitol hill that has house members and senate members that will try to meet over the next few weeks to come up with an appropriations deal to fund the wall. if that goes nowhere the white house and the president are thinking about a national emergency and the counsel has been

> joining me now is msnbc political analyst mike murphy, former senior adviser to mitt romney, jeb bush, and john mccainand stephanie cutter, former senior adviser to president obama. welcome, both. mike murphy, there's a difference between former presidents talking about immigration and talking about building a wall and making that a concrete issue that will cause a government shutdown. >> yeah, look, we just had an election where we litigated president trump and his demand for a border wall and the republicans got clobbered. now the republicans have a lot less power in washington with the democratic majority in the house. so the president is trying to play bluff poker here, holding a 3 and a 4. these shutdowns, we've had a lot of them, always kind of have a pattern. there's ten days of posturing, then the pain starts. we're now to the pain phase. and i think the democrats, therapy vitheir view is, we're winning, why back off? so we'll see if the president can change the subject tonight but i think he's in a real corner. >> it's a game of political poker, stephanie, but at some point do democrats have

again, a lot of the difference between mitt romney and the president is not on policy. it's more on tone, temper. john mccain was a maverick on policy as well as on tone. i think that is one big difference between mitt romney and mccain. >> let's take a little walk down memory lane. >> donald trump's magnificent hotel and having his endorsement is a delight. >> i like him a lot. he is a friend of mine. >> donald trump is a phony, a fraud. >> he was begging for my endorsement. i could have said drop to your knees and he would have dropped to his knees. >> these discussions have been enlightening and interesting and engaging. i have enjoyed them very, very much. >> i suppose it depends on the day or the moment. let's see how this plays out. how do you see it playing out when mitt romney actually is sitting in the senate and has a vote, a key vote on key issues? >> i think a lot of republicans have been waiting for six years basically since mitt romney was the republican nominee in 2012 for someone who could be called a champion of the traditional pretrump republican party. mitt romney is presenting what we mig

i would say romney is trying to be the next john mccain. if you're mitt romney, it makes sense that the rnc would fall in line with the president. they're worried about there being a rupture in the middle of the party. there is real frustration with trump and they don't agree with his trade policies and i think romney has shown he is what really the heart and the gut of the gop would be on those kind of issues absent president trump. he's potentially threaten, though he is a very back bencher in terms of his rank in the senate. he was the party's political nominee. he's known as a face, even if he is a freshman senator from a state that is not, you know, that is -- excuse me, a freshman senator who is kind of at the back of the line for the rest of the senate. but why do you play nice if you're a senator who a freshman? because you want to rise through the ranks to become a committee chairman and mitt romney doesn't need any of that. but he can be a foil to that. and romney could just be something bigger than his position. and i think that if trump and hi

mitt romney. he suggested he's not running against donald trump. he would see a challenge to the president, take a look at what was said on msnbc. >> if trump thought he had a challenging john mccainget a feeling, mitt romney would bring in a dose of reality for this president. >> >> they were beating up on romney, and barack obama was the man. >> the irony is not lost on me. a lot of mainstream media in 2012. the foreign policy, domestic policy, comments he would make. and the reality is at this point in time mitt romney comes into a complicated situation and in the senate. he was given the best he can to articulate what he was for. >> with all respect i have great respect for what you did on the campaign. we have a republican president and senate but he's a freshman member of that he's joining and a republican president who have accomplished a lot of things candidate romney promised to do if he became president including tax cuts, deregulation and protecting the border. it is not complicated republican should toe the line into with a republican president once. >> is he telling the liner speaking his conscience? >> romney said he supports corporate tax cuts, securing the border,

mitt romney made some -- what did you think of that? mitt romney? >> you know, our party has always had something like mitt romney, unfortunately with the passing of john mccainhat was a very serious person who used to point out when the emperor had no clothes maybemyitt is trying to take that role on he has the right to. he was the former party nominee for the presidency and has status some of the points he made were valid. the president has not acted in a manner that maintained the dignity of the office in many ways >> he accepted that endorsement to get elected in utah it's a weird relationship. corker has a weird rer lagssrelp with trump, too. they're best buddies, they hate each other, sniping each other with these tweets. you expectmore from both politicians. >> of course you do. i think a very good course was shown a few weeks ago at the funeral for george h. bush -- >> throw rand paul in you see what he's saying you wanted to go elsewhere >> they're wrapping up >> you know, if we have judd gregg, we have another minute maybe, no? >> judd, you think that this will eventually get resolved once it hits the american people how long of a timeframe do you t

mitt romney. dagen: romney's bumper sticker is i'm the new flake. lauren: that's the new bumper sticker. dagen: that won't score you points with conservatives. cheryl: think of old-school republican, john mccainarty and mitt romney goes under that umbrella. dagen: elizabeth warren video, was she drinking beer? massachusetts senator announced her 2020 presidential run and she was on her instagram, on instagram live well doing this. i'm glad for everybody is watching the video. hold on a sec, i'm going to get me a beer. hey. my husband is now in here. you want a beer? are you sure? >> yes. >> this is my sweety. >> hello. [laughter] >> kayleigh mcenany is back with us, your reaction? >> a sad attempt to try to be relatable to voters but elizabeth warren has a problem on her hands. her own constituents don't even like her. we hope she's a nominee as president trump said on twitter, by all means become a nominee, i'm happy to take you on, elizabeth. dagen: one thing that i will add, a friend who is a big-ole liberal, they added judge judy rolling her eyes. i appreciate that, appreciated that a lot. sorry about the satellite problem. we will see you very soon, kayleigh mcenany. coming up a terrifyi

possible model that we might see for senator romney is jeff flake because he is more to the left, i would say, of most political issues than john mccain was. remember, mittdit for obamacare back in 2015 when he said if it wasn't for romney care in massachusetts when he was governor there we wouldn't have had obamacare. a lot of conservative republicans are wary of mitt romney whether he is going to be like another jeff flake and this is the opening salvo there. >> sandra: that quote about flake the president wrote in this tweet here we go with mitt romney, he writes, so fast. the question will be is he a flake. i hope not. would prefer that mitt focus on border security and so many other things where he can be helpful. i won big and he didn't. he should be happy for all republicans. be a team player and win writes the president back to romney. >> i have to say a lot of politicians aren't team players, we know that, right? how does this help me? i think what mitt romney is doing is clear. he is putting himself out there in a sense perhaps as the anti-trump wing leader of the anti-trump wing because -- mitt romney doesn't want to be senator from utah, he w

what republicans used to have to sort out, do you go for someone you think is electable, john mccain or mitt romneyl they go to kamala harris or go with joe biden? they have the same issues we have in the past presidential cycles. the candidate i know the best is tulsi gabbard. we may not agree on issues, i don't think she will be pulled in any direction she doesn't want to go. we'll see whether or not democrats have a appetite for authenticity as they go through the nominating process. brian: some say south carolina is in play. democrats are coming hard down there, not only win the primary when it gets there but get the general. is south carolina in play? >> not the one i live in. unless there are two south carolina has, no. it, this is tim scott, lindsey graham country. this is not kamala harris-aoc territory. steve: democrats would like it to be in play but perhaps -- >> maybe i will live long enough to see that i will have to live a long time. ainsley: my mom is from greenville where you are. she calls that god's country. >> so do i. we would love for you to come back to south carolina, ainsley

mitt romney. i'm not surprised but i'm disappointed. brian: here it is. you say, too. that jeff flake and john mccaind up being republican enemies of the president. you say mitt romney can be a much greater enemy than both of them, why? >> this is a guy who is used to the national stage. he has run for president and if he wasn't so incompetent he would have won that campaign to be candid beating barack obama in 2012. he should have. mitt romney failed in that campaign and he failed the american people who have made him the nominee. he ran a terrible general election campaign. but, let me just say this. because he has his own political machine, his own media operation and he is used to the national stage, he comes to washington as somebody who looks like, to me, you know, the flake/mccain/corker all in one guy. he is going to be the guy standing in the breach. i will tell you i want mitt romney to be part of the solution not part of the problem. brian: david bossie thanks so much. he does have a lot of skills. international business could be a very big asset on trade. we will see what it means. >> unf

. >> if trump thought he had a challenging john mccain, if trump thought there was a little challenging jeff flake, i get a feeling mitt romneyg to bring it in a whole new dose of reality for this president. >> ed: you worked for mitt romney when those folks were beating up on romney every day saying he couldn't relate to the ordinary person. he was for corporations and barack obama was the man. now they love him. >> the irony is not lost on me. you had a lot of the mainstream media coming after romney in 2012 weather was foreign policy, to master policy, comments he would make. everything he was saying was examined under a microscope. the reality is at this point in time mitt romney comes into a very complicated situation in the republican party, very complicated in the senate. he can do the best to articulate what he's for. it's what he wants to do when it comes to the senate. >> i don't get that comp located. i have great respect for what you did on the campaign but we have a republican president and republican senate they he's a freshman member of and we have a republican president who's been able to accomplish a lot of t

several times into attacks on his generals, a dig at senator john mccain, four months after his death, and, of course, a swipe or two at mitt romney who kicked off his tenure as senator with an op-ed rebuking trump's character. the trump presidency made a deep descent in december. the departures of kelly and mattis. the appointment of senior persons of lesser experience and the abandonment of allies who fight beside us and the thoughtsless claim that america has been a sucker in world affairs all defined his presidency down. with the nation so divided, rezentsful and angry, presidential leadership and qualities of character is indispensable. and it is in this province where the incumdent's shortfall has been most glairing. those strong words generating growing chatter that there could be yet another threat added to the long list of all that trump is facing. a challenger from within his own party in the next election. joining us from "the washington post," robert costa. also bill kristol, director of the advocacy group defending democracy together. and here at the table, white house reporter jonathan lemire, betsy woodruff for the

. >> there is no more john mccain, no more republicans in the congress that have that stature in the world. >> people are standing up saying i'm still waiting for mitt romney would do. at the same time, i remember being told by israeli officials how horrible the obama had min strags was, and they're still alienating this ally when they embraced how they came into office. it is very incoherent, that is the problem and i think when you're seeing someone as close to donald trump as mike pompey owe is, it is showing how difficult rex tillerson's job was. you're trying to go out into in make sense of american policy to our allies. >> almost sympathetic. thank you for spending an hour with us. >> coming up, a busy travel weekend ahead for candidates trying to get in early with democratic voters. early with democratic voters. i can't tell you who i am or what i witnessed, but i can tell you liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no... only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ touch shows how we really feel. but does psoriasis ever get in the way? embrace the chance of 100% cle

we saw the late john mccain or corker or flake before they left the senate unable to sway their colleagues into their criticisms of the president. so will mitt romney have a different ability because of his stature? i don't know. i'm skeptical of that. is he holding out some potential optio 2020 challenge by laying down this marker? >> let's talk about the shutdown. the last time president trump met with democratic leaders it was that confrontation in the oval office. what do you expect? >> there could be more fireworks. it won't be televised since it is in the situation room. i worked in the 2013 shutdown working in house leadership. things are wildly different between now and then, not just because trump is president. for the past 12 days we have had absolute silence from both sides. in 2013 on the republican side, we were doing evens every day that some journalists might have called political stunts. every day republicans were and democrats too trying to fill the space, drive the conversation, both sides have almost been to some extent at a quiet detente here. >> given neither side has really budged since the shutdown began, what is the compromi

john mccain. these people were not able to sway the republican party in how they feel about donald trump. and i'm not sure mitt romneys going to be successful at that, either. >> you know, ryan, jake tapper asked mitt romney about the complicated relationship these two guys have had over the years. and what it means going forward. listen to this. >> do you regret accepting his endorsement when he sent that tweet during your senate race? >> he was endorsing me. i wasn't endorsing him. i haven't decided who i am going to endorse in 2020. i'm going to see what the alternatives are. >> they have had a long and complicated journey, mitt romney and trump, right? two things. one, i would say, trump's response there in the previous video was actually incredibly restrained for trump, right? he didn't actually viciously attack him. he actually sat back and said, we'll see. maybe, you know, he'll be voting with me. i was kind of surprised by that. two, i do think it's notable despite mitt romney's history of criticism for trump, i think it's very notable he has decided to start his career in the senate with this big public push

mitt romney wrote this op-ed? >> i think he wanted to lay down a marker, pam, as he coming to washington, d.c. to be sworn in, i think he saw a vacuum given the passing of john mccain, given the fact that bob corker and jeff flake are no longer in the united states senate, let's be fair, all of us are all too willing to afford a platform of someone in the gop who is willing to call out the president of the united states. i think he saw that opportunity and wanted to serve in the as to the type of u.s. senator he seeks to be. i had wondered was he going to be the more moderate mitt who governed massachusetts or was he going to be the self-described, quote unquote, severe conservative that he's introduced to the country in 2012. he pants to be perceived as a principled conservative willing to take on the president. >> he said i agree with many of the policies but i think that he's amoral essentially. the president's response was pretty mouted, he came out and said i hope he's a team player and i think he will be. >> he started to give him a mond moniker, wanted to see whether he would be flakey or a flake but he didn't quite go, there calling him out as he did so man

if trump thought he had a challenge in john mccain, if trump thought he had a challenge in jeff flake, i have a feeling mitt romney is going to bring in a whole new dose of reality for this president. mitt's run for president himself and he didn't win. you know what he decided to do? serve anyway. and i think trump is going to regret not talking him out of this. there was some possibility he could have done that. mitt romney is making it very clear he's going to be much more than a thorn in president trump's side. what's your gut on how that dynamic plays out? >> a couple of different things occurred to me after reading the piece last night, mika. one was that there was an immediate round of nitpicking on twitter about the piece, about romney's motives. what we can't sit here every day and bemoan the fact that the vast majority, almost all of the republican party and the senate and in the house refuse to speak out against this president's many transgressions and truth. >> that's right. >> and duplicity and things like that. we can't do that and nitpick someone when they finally stand up and do speak out as mitt ro

mitt romney. that said, i think more likely he's carving out a place for himself in the senate perhaps the place where jeff flake, bob corker, once held and now they are -- and the late john mccainhe goes. i think there's a lot of questions of what romney is going to do if he disagrees with the president. because there was a lot of criticism, particularly of someone like a jeff flake, that it was a lot of words and not a lot of action. >> wolf, can i just say, the president there in that -- i mean, excuse me, senator romney in that clip there, he was backing off his own strong op ed from the priest devious day. it's like, taking back an endorsement or saying i -- you know, the president endorsed me before i was against it. it's this weird thing. >> are you saying he flip-flopped? >> that is a long -- >> everybody stand by. i've got to take a quick break. much more on the breaking news just ahead. we're also following the potentially very dangerous situation as the partial government shutdown drags on. a visit to a national park could be hazardous to your health. >>> tonight with no breakthrough on the horizon, the partial government shutdown is having more of a crippling effect

mitt romney." jerry in tennessee. republican line. caller: thank you for c-span. i do not particularly like romney's comments. i think he is politically correct and stands in trump's way. that is why he lost, why john mccainost, and why 95% of the republican base will support president trump and probably why he will get reelected because trump will stand up and have a backbone. host: caller, are you still there? caller: yes, sir. host: you cut out for the second part of your comments. go ahead. 95% of themp has republican base, and he is signaling that he will be in opposition to president trump. that is why truck got elected, to go in there and make changes. . host: sean humphrey off of twitter says host: then jeffrey allen off twitter saying mitt romney could not win the office, so his comments carry no weight. host: you can make comments on twitter, on facebook, on alliance lines -- on the are joining us, what we are talking about is the comments from the senator elect his utah, mitt romney, and op-ed in "the washington post," "how a president shapes public criticism" offering of the president in office. robert in massachusetts. caller: two i for taking my call. i think the comment romney made is right

john mccain was sort of his own whaton of mitt romney or mitt romney might be, a fierce critic of donaldrump, especially on foreign policy. he has been replaced by an oklahoma republican who is much closer in line with trump administration and in foreign relations, the shift from bob corker who was a media savvy, some critics would say media hungry chairman who was always on tv criticizing the trumpet administration is now replaced , who was ah of idaho much more withdrawn figure in the capital. he is not somebody who is racing to cameras and he is not taken many positions against trump. the well card is going to be judiciary. lindsey graham becomes a committee chair for the first time since getting elected in 2002. -- took him6 years 16 years. he is a force of nature. you never know which way he is coming down. going to bes railing against trump or supporting trump. all of his judicial nominees are going to have to run through the lindsey graham gauntlet. it is going to be interesting to say the least. spent manykane has years roaming the halls of congress. you can follow him by going t

john mccain who was his own version of mitt romney or what mitt romney might be, he gives trump credit on policy, he chaired the armed services committee and replaced by jim and a half a republican who is much closer in line with the trump administration. foreign relations shift from bob corker who was a media savvy, some critics say media hungry chairman of the committee who was always on tv. faithfully criticizing the trump administration who is now replaced by jim resch of idaho who is just a much more withdrawn figure in the capital. he's not somebody who is racing to cameras and has not taken many positions against trump. and then the wildcard will be there judiciary lindsey graham becomes a committee chairman for the first time he is getting elected in 2002 to the senate. he took him 16 years. he will be running the judiciary, and he is a force of nature. you never know which way he is coming down on tuesday or wednesday, or thursday whether he is going to be railing against trump, supporting trump, so all of his judicial nominees, trumps judicial nominees will have to rent to th

john mccain was sort of his own whaton of mitt romney or mitt romney might be, a fierce critic of donald trump, especially on foreign policy. he has been replaced by an oklahoma republican who is much closer in line with trump administration and in foreign relations, the shift from bob corker who was a media savvy, some critics would say media hungry chairman who was always on tv criticizing the trumpet administration is now replaced , who was ah of idaho much more withdrawn figure in the capital. he is not somebody who is racing to cameras and he is not taken many positions against trump. the well card is going to be judiciary. lindsey graham becomes a committee chair for the first time since getting elected in 2002. -- took him6 years 16 years. he is a force of nature. you never know which way he is coming down. going to bes railing against trump or supporting trump. all of his judicial nominees are going to have to run through the lindsey graham gauntlet. it is going to be interesting to say the least. host: paul kane has

john mccain, who was sort of his own version of mitt romney, or what mitt romney might be, a fierce trump critic, especially on foreign policy, he chairs the armed services committee and he has now been replayed by jim inhofe, an oklahoma republican who is much closer in line with the trump administration. and at foreign relation, the economist from bob corker, who, the shift from bob corker who was a media savvy, some critics would say a media hungry chairman of that committee, frequently on tv, frequently crit sizing the trump administration is now replaced by jim rish of idaho, a much more withdrawn figure in the capitol. he's not somebody who is racing to cameras, and he hasn't taken many positions against trump. and then finally, the wildcard is going to be judiciary. lindsey graham becomes a committee chairman for the first time since getting elected in 2002, to the senate. it took him 16 years. he is going to be running judiciary, and he is a force of nature. you never know which way he's coming down on tuesday, or wednesday, or thursday, whether he's going to be railing against tr