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really, we're not ashamed of our coverage, we're actually proud of our coverage. >> mr. bundy is a sincere man. >> he is a patriot and hero. at the vortex of this anti-government movement. >> what a difference a day makes and a reporter makings. all of those comments were before the racist remarks from bundy surfaced in "the new york times" this morning. and bill, it is amazing to me, the comments he made on the ranch were from saturday. the "the new york times" reporter didn't publish them for five days. fox news kept covering it. nobody else heard what he said until 24 hours ago. >> well, sort of a sketchy job there if you're going to pick a hero. and let's bring in two men likely to disagree, and ben ferguson on the right. mark, let me start with you, this idea that hannity said after he called these comments repugnant that there is a double standard. if somebody on the left says really offensive it gets brushed under the rug. >> first, i would like to see these left wing comments that he is raising. i need a counter example, i don't know any left wing pundits who talk about slavery or white nationalism who hurl the n word, whenever this stuff happens it tends to happen from the right. >> ben, do you have any examples? >> i think there was sarah palin, somebody once that said they should defecate in her mouth, do you not count that as extreme. both sides have extreme people? >> the argument -- >> let me finish my point. >> finish. >> they do say extreme things, including harry reid saying this guy is a domestic terrorist. that is how it gets ratcheted up. what he said about race, perverted. i totally agree with you, but the idea that the government should come in, in this way is what the original story was about. now, before you stand next to the guy you might want to vet him and a lot of people didn't vet this guy. the principle of the issue was, does the federal government really have time to be gun-toting down to some ranch in the middle of nowhere over a guy in grazing rights and are they abusing their power? >> well, then that message gets lost with what he said. if you do, you look at ted nugent, who else, there are other examples. but how will this affect the republican party in terms of picking a folk hero of the day? >> well, i took a lot of heat for saying this on my show. i actually was very cautious of mr. bundy. i said look, he has had a 20-year rift with the government. i think we ought to step back before we champion him. and i think that is what people are going to learn from this. that is just because in principle you agree with the idea you might want to find out who the heck he has been for the last 20 or 30 years. and no one seems to want to do that. it was the principle coming down on the little guy and bringing in guns in the waco-type way. and we already saw what happened in waco in history and do we really want to go there again? the money wasted. >> wow, ben -- >> but it is a selective indignation about government overreach. a selective indignation about government over-spending on the little guy. i could make the similar argument about the immigration, and war on drugs saying we're picking on the little people. >> that is a little different than grazing rights of cows. >> that is not the argument here, the point, ben, when we talk about this guy i could argue he is take willing literally millions of dollars from the federal government. there is some woman who may have gotten 100,000 over here life. let me finish, ben, and he represents a broader range of people who are doing the same thing. it is not just one bundy here, there are a lot of people doing this, this is the concern. ben, let me finish the point. the other thing is while i agree, most of the right including from sean hannity on down have run away from this comment. and i think they should have. often times what republicans are really saying, you can't be this explicit with it. you can think that black people are stealing from the government, and governments are bad. you just can't say it like that. you can do it -- >> guilt by association. that does worry me in this case -- >> here is the thing, though, for me. i'm new to cable news so this feels like my first night in the prison cafeteria. i don't know who is going to -- but isn't this about fox news more than anything else? they're the ones who crowned this guy. >> and you know what the shows are doing at fox news, they're focusing on harry reid, fox is very everythingive, taking a story, focusing on it, and then moving away from it at the time it decides the story is over. although to their credit, they said who can support him after this? i'll support the legal rights. we're seeing a lot of fox commentators moving away. >> when mr. bundy said i hope i'm not this way -- >> it is denial, though, it is denial. you saw him deny it. i think he doesn't want to realize that what he said was so out of whack with reality. and now he is probably trying to deal with this. and this is unfortunately going to be the biggest asterisk of his entire life. everything he has done. but he said maybe they should have been learning how to pick cotton. that is the end of the story for him in my opinion. >> your story has become a part of our culture. >> that is how we decide our values. ben, mark, brian, we appreciate it. >>> if you could ask the malaysian prime minister about the flight 370. it would be 40 days and you could finally declare the passengers lost? 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[ thunder crashes ] it doesn't. stop pretending. only flood insurance covers floods. ♪ visit floodsmart.gov/pretend to learn your risk. >>> and what might be the understatement of the year, malaysia's prime minister says there are things his country did well and things they didn't do well in the search for flight 370. and the malaysian prime minister says that preliminary reports on the plane's disappearance will be released next week. and richard joins us from kuala lumpur. he says he is not ready. i guess was it out of respect for the families that he says he is not willing to say that it is los lost? >> yes, slowly, when you put it bluntly to him, he is quite clear, the situation is such that the evidence points to the plane being lost. and malaysia airlines has come out and said the plane went into the south indian ocean and no one survived. but the prime minister feels that it would be inappropriate for him to come out and state something like that. at least until the search has not -- has gone on for a bit longer. because once there is real debris, once there is one piece of debris, bill, that they can point to, showing an aircraft, then he will come out. eventually of course, he is going to have to say that the flight is lost. he is not prepared to do it just yet. >> you also asked about the first night, what was detected on radar and what they know going forward. what did he tell you? >> well, there has been more rumors and g gossip about what the plane did. were they ignorant about what the plane was doing? because after all, the transponder was off. so to the prime minister, did the military see it in realtime? >> no, the military radar, the primary radar has some capability. it tracked an aircraft, which did turn back. but they were not sure, exactly sure whether it was mh-370. what they were sure of was that the aircraft was not deemed to be hostile. >> no planes were sent up on the night to investigate? >> no, because simply because it was deemed not to be hostile. >> don't you find that troubling that a civil aircraft can turn back, fly across the country and nobody thinks to go up and have a look? because one of two things, i understand the threat level. and i understand the -- either the plane is in trouble and needs help, or it is nefarious and you really want to know what somebody is going up there to do. so as prime minister, don't you find that troubling? >> you see, i'm coming back to my earlier statement, is that they were not sure whether it was mh-370. >> even more reason to go up and have a look. >> they were not sure. but it behaved like a commercial airline. >> nobody is fooled, bill. this is the smoking gun. this is the elephant in the living room. it my not have made one jot of difference to the final result, because at that stage the plane was doing whatever it was going to do with whomever it was going to do. but it would have told us what was going on, mechanical, nefarious. it would have had to have come out in the investigation. >> we appreciate it. >>> and how three friends from california found themselves as political pawns in the most notorious prison in iran, and how their friendship got them through. that is next. ♪ led to the one jobhing you always wanted. at university of phoenix, we believe every education- not just ours- should be built around the career that you want. imagine that. what if it were more than something to share? 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you're familiar with california, the redwoods are nice. what were you doing there, josh? >> well, i was visiting my friends. they were living in syria at the time. and we went to visit northern iraq. and the hotel manager, when we said where do we go to hike? he told us, a good place to go. we went there, and soon we found out it was not such a good place to go, we didn't realize how close it was to the border. >> but it was beautiful, you think it is war torn land and what american in their right mind would go there? but it is like the alpine, the sierras, there are waterfalls. you have an idea as tourists. let's get a sense of your mindset. >> it's hot, it is because i'm in iraq, yo, it's hot, because i'm in iraq. someone get me a fan! someone get me a fan! because i'm in kurdistan! someone get me a fan, someone get me a fan because i'm in kurdistan! >> i could have done that for you live. now it's too late. >> we blew it there. but i just wanted to give you a sense, carefree, young friends and lovers hiking. you were playing this game, would you rather -- you were hiking on the hill? would you rather come across mountain lions or al-qaeda. but you had no idea that iranian guards were even in the mix. so you go up the trail, you see a sarah, and he waves towards you. >> yeah, we assumed he was a kurdish, soldier, he would just want to talk to you. it is a common occurrence when you're an american traveling in the middle east, various intelligence or soldiers and police in countries to want to take a few minutes of your time and entertain themselves with questioning. we didn't think there was anything to worry about. >> there was no markings or borders or fence. >> no. >> and what went through your mind when you realized, oh, my gosh, we're in iran? >> well, i think that i tried to believe that everything was going to go okay for a long time. i mean, i was scared. but i thought it would be over after they you know, lifted our bags, realized we didn't speak their language and didn't have anything on us to be suspicious whatsoever. >> they wanted to put you in a car. >> they put us in a car when they drove us down a mountain. we were taken to a police station. they questioned us a little bit. there was a man outside the police station saying you know, americans have detained iranians for two years, certain iranians for two years, he kept saying, can you believe it? and i thought to myself, well, there is no way i have anything to do with that. and of course, that was just day one. >> you were in a car at one point and see the man in the front seat cock a gun, and you began to think they may just shoot us like dogs out in the desert. was that a real fear at that point? >> oh, yeah, especially those first few days we were just being passed from one group to the next. we had no idea what was happening. we actually were being held in an apartment and being interrogated. and we were taken out and just been driven around, this man pulled his gun out. we were taken to an empty country jail, and then drove across country and put in iran's central prison. >> you were able to call a friend before you got in the initial cars. so at least, who knows if you had not done that where you would be today. but imagine the sinking feeling, you describe a dream of being taken back and hiking, and then you realize you were driving towards tehran. and then you get to prison. did they torture you? >> we were blindfolded, sitting in a chair with people walking circles around us asking us to write our life story on a piece of paper. it took about two months for the interrogation to end. but within a few weeks, they could tell that we had nothing to do with the american government or intelligence agencies or anything espionage related. and they said it is obvious you're innocent. this is just political. >> really? they admitted that. they found a picture of a trip you took to israel on your camera. and oh boy, this is bad news, these are spies. >> at some point, first couple of days they were not sure what we were doing. and then it started to shift, to feel like they wanted to prove that we were spies, even though they didn't know we were. so any kind of piece of evidence they found they wrapped into that story. but ultimately they told us they knew we were not spies. but everybody in the prison, the guards told us we were not spies. but that was not what it was about. we were stuck in this political thing. >> so you were high value prisoners. so there were not beatings that we might imagine or dread. but there is a certain kind of torture that comes with solitary confinement, right? so the two of you were put together, which created enormous jealousy and frustration. but describe, sarah, what happens to the human mind and body. what were the stages? >> well, in the beginning, total panic, i tried to calm myself doing math in my head, so to get to my rational brain, that would reduce my emotional stress. after months you're reduced to an animal-like state. i would walk in my cell back and forth, back and forth, crouch down in the slot in the door to listen for sounds to orient myself. i completely lost control and awareness of myself and screamed and beat at the walls of my cell. >> you described forcing yourself not to look at a wall to see the beam of light that would come into the window because that was all the simulation you had to look forward to in the day. >> yeah, it was kind of the way we marked time. the light would come through, in the particular cell i was in, i knew when it reached a certain corner, the interrogators might come. and being alone, despite how much i hated being interrogated, i hoped that they would come every day because i needed interaction that badly. i was just trapped inside of myself. >> you were given time to gather in an exercise yard, i guess, pretty regularly. and you decided i'm going to propose to this woman. >> yeah, yeah. >> you made a ring out of what? a threads of a shirt? >> it was towel and underwear. >> how romantic. >> i decided it first when i was in solitary, i thought when it was over, when i get out, i'll propose. i didn't want to do it in prison. we got hints that she would be released. i thought i wanted her to know this, for us to be able to look forward to that, not just the terrible thing ending but to have kind of a new beginning. >> and that is not what every girl dreams about being proposed to in an iranian prison. but did that carry you? you talked about the shield of love. >> well, the first thing that i thought, he beat me to it. i had been thinking about doing the same thing for months and months. it did help. >> what also helped. one of the real emotional turning point in the book is when your mothers are allowed to visit. it turned out to be bitter sweet. it was propaganda. it showed that mahmoud ahmadinejad is doing something. but you were worried about a lump in your breast. and your mother, who was a nurse, encouraged you to use that story going forward. and you had all of these people working on your behalf. just over a year you were released first. >> they knew that the iranian government was getting a tremendous amount of international pressure that they needed to ease that pressure against them and release at least one of us if not all three of them. they played up my health problems, i had a clean bill of health. the iranian government knew that, as well, but it was a way to give in to the pressure without looking weak. >> and we have more on what you two had to go through and for another year after she left. it is an incredible story. shane and josh and sarah. stick around, we'll be right back. cut! 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>> no, it's not. and you can tell that richard had searzeroed right in on the weakest point. because how do you know it is not hostile? he said well, it was civilian aircraft. well, then either you knew it was mh-370 or you didn't, and if you didn't know what it was, obviously you have to go find out. i think that richard was reading the tea leaves pretty well, it may have been somebody junior or somebody left their station and the malaysian prime minister was just never going to say that. so i think that richard did a masterful job trying to pin him down. >> and richard, that means if you accept the explanation given, that means there was a mistake early on. and presumably the malaysian officials have known about this for sometime and you trying to keep it quiet? >> yeah, it is confusing to me, except for the fact the malaysian radar, which if it is an older radar which i suspect it is, just for defense purposes. it doesn't have secondary pings. their goal at this point would have to be it is a threat. and that is exactly why we found ourselves in the situation like we did with 9/11. is just the unfathomable. and them thinking well, it is not defensive and has nothing to do with me. >> just to be clear to say it, out loud the reason it is such a big deal because in this day and age you do not know if a plane is hostile. it is something we learned all too well on 9/11 in this coun y country. mary, i want to ask you another question. you heard mary bajc saying families are not getting questions answered, simple things, facts that are out there that may have been in that report that has been turned over to international authorities right now. these are fair questions, aren't they? >> very fair questions, and really straightforward questions and i really commend the family for this list of questions. and i know they have many more. they're very down to earth questions and simple questions the investigators should be asking themselves and answering. and i think it is a mistake, they have already prepared a preliminary report. what should have happened is they should have called the families together and reviewed it with them first. they are the ones most important here. and so now they're going to get it with the rest of the world. and so they just keep compounding the trust level and it is unfortunate. hopefully the questions they have will be in the preliminary reports. but i don't want to get anybody's hopes up. usually the preliminary repors s are bare bones, the facts, and the investigation continues. let's hope it is more than that, but sometimes it is all that is. >> and the prime minister announced that the report would be public a week from now. why the one-week wait, we're not really sure about. richard, i want to bring you in directly, because you heard sarah bajc, it is clear the prime minister is trying to your out to the family members of the people on board flight 370. clearly they're not satisfied. >> this is an interesting point. because when you talk to the malaysians or the airline, they're very clear that their duty is to the next of kin. so you constantly question about why is there just this discrepancy between the next of kin's demands and views and what you're saying. now, a lot of the questions that they have asked, they have received the information. i'm not saying all. but i've had it on an extremely high authority that a lot of the information has been provided. and then they ask for it again or in a slightly different form. and where i think the malaysian government or the airline is falling down is that they are not responding fast enough again to give the information. because this next of kin are entitled to that information. they are the people who are affected most. but i don't think anybody should be in any doubt that at least from the very top of the prime minister, his view is that the change will take place. information, may be the cargo manifest, maps, the preliminary report. maybe, as he said to me, richard we have heard the messages people are sending. >> they have heard them but they're still going to wait a week before they make this report public. and richard you make clear to me and many others, these reports usually are public. >> i asked him that, i said straight out, why are you doing it now, prime minister? he said he wants the international committee to look at the report. i am not sure why. i said to him is it because there is something embarrassing in the report against malaysia? he said no, i just want the international committee to look at it but it will be made public next week. >> well, we'll see if in a week and not now. david gallo, i want to bring you in on this important point now, the search area off the coast of australia could be coming to a conclusion any minute now. we'll bring you that news when it happens. the first search preliminary area seems it may turn up nothing. so the question a lot of people have is if they did hear these pings why are they not finding anything on the ocean floor? >> well, it is very possible, john, that they just missed them. that they are outside the search circle that they have been focusing in on. that is a possibility. it is a possibility that there is someplace different, but in that vicinity, the ocean is playing tricks with the sound. it is a different thing. i argued it all along. if they do believe the pings are from the black boxes, how do they leave the area, even if they have to expand the circle two or three times to make the bull's eye bigger. >> may have to expand it two or three times and that could take some time, at least two or three weeks, when they get advanced in that area to keep searching. guys thank you very much. as always you will find much more on this story and others at cnn.com. >>> up next, how the search for steve fosset's plane happened. >>> plus, more news out of south korea, more bodies recovered as the criminal investigation heats up. became your business. at&t can help simplify how you manage it. so you can focus on what you love most. when everyone and everything works together, business just sings. 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>> reporter: what we can tell you is that the prosecutor's office tells cnn that it is looking into that retrofit that you're talking about. this boat, this ferry was purchased from japan in 2007 and last year was retrofitted to be able to handle an additional 200 people. they're looking at that. they're looking at whether or not the cargo shifted or not. and they were looking at whether or not a sharp turn may have contributed to what happened here. >> kyung lah, there is also information that an additional crew member was arrested. there seems to be a large number of arrests here. >> reporter: yeah, we're hearing about it every single day, and last night what we heard our time in korea is that there were four more additional arrests. that brings the total of arrests to 15. 20 crew members survived what happened here to this ferry, only five of them now have not been charged. so this is a dragnet that is widening. it is something that the parents wanted here. they wanted a sense of justice but it is not helping anyone as far as coping with this tremendous loss. they are the victims of south korea's worst ship disaster in decades. but to those waiting on land they are lost children. teachers and parents. billy kim, playfully hula hooping in a dalmation costume grew up in korea with an american name. the mother says she loved goats, and the unique name, billy, was chosen. some are only known by numbers. listed at the port until their parents name them. number 63, a student with the flower-shaped belly ring and adidas sweat pants, number 68, this one, a boy, skip -- skinny with pimples, connecting them is one high school, they were on an excursion, just before the junior exams for college. park he's sun dreamed of college. lee waited tables to help pay his family's bills. their teachers were not much older than their students. kim cho wan, teaching her first year at the high school, lost her life. she died on her birthday. there are many stories of the sewol ferry's crew abandoning passengers. but not so well known are the quiet stories of the crew's heroism. 44-year-old hong called his wife as the disaster unfolded. the ship is tilting now, use the money in the bank for the children's school fees. before hanging up he said i need to go rescue more kids. his wife never heard his voice again. a nation's hopes fading. prayers now comforting families of the lost. >> such amazing stories there. kyung, we have discussed the boy who called emergency services before the ship's signal that there was a problem. you have some information about this boy? >> a very brave boy. he is the one who called for emergency help. korea's version of 911. a full three minutes before the crew itself had sent out a distress call. and john, we did learn that that boy's body has been recovered. his family telling cnn that he indeed is home, they did not release his name. >> we hope that can bring some kind of peace to that family. kyung lah, thank you so much, very nice report. >>> after the bodies are recovered the ship will be salvaged. so up next, a look at recent operations like the one that succeeded in riding the costa concordia. it has magnesium and works more naturally than stimulant laxatives. for gentle cramp free relief of occasional constipation that works! mmmlar life. i'm tto guard their manhood with train depend shields and guards. the discreet protection that's just for guys. now, it's your turn. get my training tips at guardyourmanhood.com humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what else comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? 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>> well, i think that frustration has been there for months. the white house was very realistic about where things were going and for the longest period of time that in many ways thought john kerry, i don't want to say they thought it was a fool's errand, but they thought it would be tex dreamily difficult. everything they have dealt with in putin has not gone well. frustration, sure. on the asia front, ironically i think the trip is going well. japan got what they wanted. got what they wanted to hear from the president. when you look at a couple of deliverables, yes, the trade deal, they seem to be still having hurdles in japan. remember the politics of this this united states isn't very good for the president himself. there isn't a sense of urgency from the white house to get this done before the elections. they're going to announce the big military agreement in the philippines. so of all the different things going on, at least the asia ya trip is going okay. >> in ternls of things not really going okay, ukraine seems to be occupying a lot of bandwidth internationally speaking. one of the things most impressive is the way the president has been able to keep an international coalition together. with this latest round of sanctions, is there the expectation that is going to change things measurably? >> well, we'll see. i have to say, read between the lines of these readouts, and you know, when they do the official readouts for the white house about calls of foreign leaders, you do need to parse every word. they're very careful with their words because they know in translations they get lost. that everything is very careful. and the fact that at the end of the readout the bhous says the president noted the they are prepared to respond to russia's latest actions and the leaders agreed to work closely together to coordinate additional steps to impose costs. what does that mean? it means they have not yet agreed on a new set of sanctions. we know the white house wants to do more. not just more targeted sanctions. the europeans collectively are not there yet. and even after their call, that did not happen. they know they have to do something. if europe can agree to do -- to be a little more aggressive, and it's my understanding they want to be able to this time say this is what we're doing right now, and if russia does "x", invades eastern europe, then we're doing this, period, because i think the president doesn't want to have to go back, keep having to renegotiate and recoordinate with a bunch of european allies that are not looking forward to the hit on their own economy that will come from doing actual sanctions that would isolate russia. >> to the relationship between this president and the russian president, chuck. josh rogan saying putin shut down communication with the white house. it's not a position i think this president thought he would be in this with russian president years ago. the recent relationship has been reset on a totally different button. how bad is it from what you understand. >> the idea that he is now saying he is closing off channels, communication channels with the white house, it's not as if they were communicating well anyway. the only decent relationship is the personal relationship between john kerry and the foreign minister in russia. that would be the real problem. . if somehow he has to cut everything and he isn't somebody that the u.s. can deal with and at least be some sort of intermediary in this. then i think we would be hitting a level of communication breakdown that would be extremely troublesome. there's no illusions anymore. . the president knows he follows two other presidents who had one expectation of a relation she ship with putin, and i'm referring to clinton and "b" and end up as they leave office with this guy is unworkable. >> chuck todd, thank you for my friends. you can catch chuck every weekday on the daily rundown. coming up today, the nra is hosting its annual confab in indianapolis, and executive vice president wayne lapierre. the guy who brought us the the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. his latest comments on benghazi and knockout gamers are next. so there i was again, explaining my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis to another new stylist. it was a total embarrassment. and not the kind of attention i wanted. so i had a serious talk with my dermatologist about my treatment options. this time, she prescribed humira-adalimumab. humira helps to clear the surface of my skin by actually working inside my body. in clinical trials, most adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis saw 75% skin clearance. and the majority of people were clear or almost clear in just 4 months. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal events, such as infections, lymphoma, or other types of cancer have happened. blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure have occurred. before starting humira, your doctor should test you for tb. ask your doctor if you live in or have been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. tell your doctor if you have had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have symptoms such as fever, fatigue, cough, or sores. you should not start humira if you have any kind of infection. make the most of every moment. ask your dermatologist about humira, today. clearer skin is possible. carsthey're why we innovate. they're who we protect. they're why we make life less complicated. it's about people. we are volvo of sweden. cut! 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>> well, there is, and i think given the operational tempo of the divers she mentioned, and the enormous pressure to do that work, it is going to be very important to do that work. they need to start calling it recovery. the fatigue they're under, the pressure they're under. because on a long enough time line, now we're going to talk about hurt or worse divers. so they're going to have to soon decide to say yes, it is a recovery. and that will change the way they approach it. and i think it is time for that to happen. >> help us understand what the divers are going through right now. just the currents there, the water temperature. the visibility. how difficult is their task? >> well, difficult is one thing, it is just extremely dangerous. they're basically cave diving in an unknown cave without visibility, which is as hazardous as a diving operation as you can imagine. again they will do it, again under pressure, nobody wants to find anybody, but i know the way these people think and they want to find somebody alive. and they wanted that more than anybody. and they're not going to give up until they're told to stand down and be careful. and i think that needs to happen next. >> mitchell, the costa concordia happened when? >> january 12th, 2012. >> you would think that would be a cautionary tale for the maritime industry, but you see striking parallels. >> even the search and rescue operation that is being described right now is eerily similar, when the costa concordia sank, you had the family members wondering what happened to their relatives. and divers going in with the ropes, they called it the thread after the mythological character, and the divers that are saving people, rescuing people, at the worse case scenario finding drowning victims swimming in bathing suits. in this instance, you're finding people wearing life jackets because they were prepared to get off ship and never got off the ship, because of errors, made by the crew and captain and the life boats that failed to launch. with the costa concordia, very similar. the ship began to list. what happens, when a ship begins to list, there are inclines, the life boats that are supposed to drop down can't drop down because they get stuck on the side. and in both scenarios you had distress calls coming from the passengers, in the korean ferry -- >> a boy on his phone. >> i dealt with family members in the costa concordia case where they had calls from relatives saying they're going to see some nasty things in the papers, don't worry, i'm going to get home and they never made it home. >> real quick, mario, do you think the captain of the ship has been demonized unfairly? >> well, i'm not sure about unfairly. i think there is a mistake in making that kind of mistake a behavior. here is what you know about the captain two weeks ago, hey, what would you do if it was listing, he would have told you then i would get everybody in life jackets, a year ago he talked about the costa concordia saying i would never do that. still, when this faced him he didn't do it. there is a disconnect, and i think the maritime industry needs to adopt some of the aviation industry's practice in practicing under stress, in practicing how do i react when things are really bad? because if he did drill on life abandoned ships, he would be okay, let's do the abandoned ship station, that is not how it happens in real life. and those drills need to happen that way and that is what is missing. that doesn't necessarily make him the devil, that makes him human. we haven't trained that out of him like other industries like the military and aviation. >> you can see you shaking your head. please come back, i'm sure the story wouldn't go away. >> when we come back, a crisis of a very different kind. what is happening in eastern europe? 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i'm bill weir. and it was another day of sobering news out of ukraine where armed and masked pro-russian militias were supposed to give back the buildings they have occupied after an easter truce happened in geneva last week, but it never happened. take a look here, it shows a man who appears to be a local politician attempting to enter city hall and attempting to re-raise the ukrainian flag. instead, he was roughly turned away, and now they claimed lifeless body was found showing signs of torture. more from kiev. fred, this was one of two bodies they say was found. what is the story? >> reporter: well, yeah, these bo
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>> well i think also you have to look at the preponderance of data. there have been a series of polls showing pryor moving too the lead. a reason for it. hitting tom cotton on positions on medicare and social security. and the people of arkansas dent lodent -- don't like what they're hearing. there is an explanation. i think the guys look silly. making the polls the issue. don't think voters care about polls, candidates, positions. democrats are making cases right now. >> yeah, governor dean, having run for governor, run for president, in a, environment where people do track these polls a lot. why do you think they're focused on trying to say this is wrong rather than well there is time left. we can beat mark pryor. >> republicans have a history of basically using propaganda. and itch the polls and the facts get in the way. they just simply get rid of the facts. the history over a period of time which is why they're ineffective in congress. facts actually do matter in the long run. i think this is a good sign. a ways to go. six months out. these are not binding polls. there are other polls, in the times, couple days ago. don't think done by the times. reported in the times. obama care, affordable care act is, polling better by a small significant number of points. that is why the polls are getting better for landreau, getting better for pryor, and, i actually think that landreau, hagen and begich will win. pryor has a clear shot. people have written him off. we will win the senate. too early to be sure about that. there are a number of polls in the right direction on the presidency. on obamacare. and on these individual senators. when that happens. watch, nate silver. very good. a month ago he predicted we were going to lose. a 60% chance. his next prediction, the percentage will be smaller and the democrats will win. >> david, what do you think of that? also speak to the accuracy of the republicans' view of how popular obamacare is? >> i think that there is no doubt that that has changed. it is improving because of what happened with the exchanges. the republicans have put all of their chips on that one number. and they just keep, playing it. i think they're burning themselves out. i think people have heard these arguments. it is baked in the cake now. now there has been improvement because of the -- of the exchanges. and i think what people are saying is, don't you have anything else to say? don't you have haeng anything t about the future? anything to say about how we will get middle-incomes up. how we will get the economy to work for working people. not just people at the top. don't you have any answers for us. the republican party. made i think a bad bet in pitching everything. to their opposition to, obama care. >> here is the biggest, basic problem. about after this is said and done. we get closer to the election. roughly one out of every 20 people. 5% of the population in the united states is going to be, have health insurance because of obama care. that means there is a pretty good chance that every single american is going to know some one who benefited from this. there will be people who say i got screwed. a vast majority will say i am a breast cancer survivor. when you know somebody individually who benefited from obama care that you care about it is different than being mad about a bill you don't know anything about. just listen to fox news about. these numbers are getting better. why we hold on to the senate. >> the governor is speaking to the sort of the time-lapse of politics. any time we say, this, this person is acting politically. we are saying two things. one they're being moved by the numbers which happens a lot. we all know. and two, they have some interpretation of the numbers. what do you think of the governor's idea here that, there is a lag and, as the aca improves, some of the republicans will eventually have to catch up with the fact that even in red states, on medicaid expansion. >> kentucky a good example. >> the policy you mentioned. people like it. >> look, i think that is true. i think that -- that they're going to have to find other things, they're going to have to find other issues, to talk about. one thing i would say. you said there were two interpretations of numbers. they tend to look at the numbers within their base. within their base, no doubt in my mind, the obama care issue is a motivating issue. the problem is independent voters have basically even in florida, '13, they touted as a victory. independent voters rejected their arguments on obamacare. rejected the repeal, arguments. just didn't vote in large numbenum numbe numbers. i would have concerns itf i wer republican. these are going to be close elections. make no mistake about it. in all of the statesmention . mentioned. shouldn't get worked up. they make a bad bet. on obamacare issue. >> there is another big problem, very quickly with what they have done. they bet as david said. bet the farm on this issue. this is a party that is known in addition to all of the crazy stuff that is going on in nevada as a group of people who say, no to everything. >> right. >> their last chip is to stay no to something that now appears to be working. they have an enormous problem. haven't stood for anything positive for four years. what are they going to do? >> you know what they say? just say no to skewed polling as well. governor dean, david axelrod, thank you for joining us. >> coming up the mother of jordan davis, what she will say to the nra tomorrow and what she has the to say about georgia's new guns everywhere law. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain. this is humira helping me lay the groundwork. this is humira helping to protect my joints from further damage. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira is proven to help relieve pain and stop further joint damage in many adults. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal events, such as infections, lymphoma, or other types of cancer, have happened. blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure have occurred. before starting humira, your doctor should test you for tb. ask your doctor if you live in or have been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. tell your doctor if you have had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have symptoms such as fever, fatigue, cough, or sores. you should not start humira if you have any kind of infection. take the next step. talk to your doctor. this is humira at work. captain: when i'm looking for a hotel with a wet pool, i go to hotels.com. you can get up to 50% off with their private sales. that man's privates are no longer private. could mean less waiting for things like security backups and file downloads you'd take that test, right? 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>> hi, how are you? >> i'm good. tell us what you are doing outside the nra convention? >> well, basically -- we are not going to cause any conflict or disturbance to the citizens of indianapolis. but basically what we are going to do its just -- spend some time trying to get the nra leadership as well as the the lobbyists to stop espousing deceitful information that they're passing about the nature of gun violence in this country. also, too, we want the nra leadership to understand that, you know, 90% of the, americans in this country, want some common sense gun legislation. they have members within their organization that believe and support what we do as an organization. so we want them to be mindful of those members that they already have collectively in their organization that believe and support that there should be some common sense resolutions for gun safety in this country. >> yeah, and one thing worth noting and that we have discussed before in this georgia law that is obviously relevant. the stand your ground issues. i'm reading from an article, the bill's detractors, emphasize a pre vision th provision allowing felons to claim self defense if they feel threatened and end up killing stom o some one with a gun. they cite analysis of the bill. i should mention of course, these things can get complicated. people debate how it will work. stand your ground itself some times is a rule some times its a jury instruction. at a bottom line level, talk to us about that issue here, your views of it. >> well, as a victim myself. i know that that is definitely a misgnome misnomer. giving convicted felons, using illegal guns, means,ness sta nc to be immune for criminal behavior that they have done toward the individual, toward the victim. i know firsthand that this is just dangerous legislation. i know that we are going to see what is going to be kconsidered justifiable homicides continue to rise in georgia as we have seen it in other states, particularly florida. i know, i am very sad bind dene what is happening with the estad your ground law. this expansion is tragedy waiting to happen. >> you think of the argument as and experience that you do have. what is, sort of a basic question, but i am curious, what its the -- the value there of having the interactions that you will with, with these strong second amendment advocates at the convention. what do we hope comes out of that? >> it's never been taking away the second amendment rights of individuals in this country. never been that. what we have to do is make sure we combine with the second amendment rights, you know, common sense -- gun safety laws. there is an accountability and a responsibility for that as well. and combining with individuals second amendment rights. so that's what we need the nra to understand. and that is -- basically our goal. >> that's important. i think you are doing something very civic. i think we will be interested to hear how it goes and wish you good luck out there talk with folks and sharing your shoes. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. thank you. >> coming up, the di stride vid supreme court on full display and daryl issa's, irs scandal, it's eric holder. 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[ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™. >>> until this weekend unless you follow the nba or live in southern california chances are the name donald sterling didn't mean much to you. tonight the entire country knows the l.a. clipper donald sterling that guy caught on tape telling his girlfriend not to bring african-american friends to clipper games and saying a lot more as. we the girlfriend, v. stiviano, v. is her legal first name, doesn't want to show her face in public. here she is wearing a visor heading out of her l.a. home. getting to a bentley surrounded by paparazzi. the audiotape surfaced on friday. it won't be the first time sterling has done or said something that smacked of bigotry. it may however be the last straw. over the weekend some of the biggest names in sports, politics and entertainment began unloading on him. last night his players launched a protest on court on national tv. big advertisers took giant steps away from him. tomorrow the league could announce sanctions. first how we got here. take a look. >> reporter: it didn't take long for the audio to explode. listen once and you know why. >> people call you and say i have black people on my instagram and it bothers you. >> yeah, it bothers me a lot. if you want to broadcast that you're associating with black people. do you have to? >> you associate with black people. >> i'm not you and you're not me. you're supposed to be a delicate white or delicate latina girl. >> by now you likely know the male voice is allegedly donald sterling. in a conversation with his girlfriend who is almost a half century his junior named v. stiviano. comments he appeared to not know were recorded. >> i support them. >> do you know you have a whole team that is black that plays for you? >> i don't? i sport them and give them food and clothes and cars and houses. who gives to it them? does someone else give to it them? do i know that i have? who makes the game? do i make the game or do they make the game? is there 30 owners that created the league? >> reporter: this is how the clippers dealt with all this before the game with the golden gate warriors. they took off their warm up shirts and worn the t-shirts inside out so the team name could not be seen. sterling wasn't at sunday's playoff game. his estranged wife was. she's filed a lawsuit against the mistress accusing her in part of being a gold digger. stiviano and sterling have been seen together during other games. in the recorded tape the discussion returns to magic johnson who stiviano says she admires. >> he happens to be black and i'm sorry. >> i think it's nice you admire him, i've known him well and he should be admired. and i'm just saying that it's too bad you can't admire him privately. and during your entire [ bleep ] life, your whole life admire him. bring him here. feed him. [ expletive ] him. i don't care. you can do anything but don't put him on instagram so the world has to seen so the world has to call me and don't bring him to my games. >> reporter: magic johnson said the comments make him hurt but not just for himself. >> i think that all of us are outraged, we're all upset if we're african-americans because if you're going to be like this, why your owning a team in the nba which is what over 70% african-american basketball players. i think he should step down. >> reporter: head coach of the clippers doc rivers said his boss reached out to him but he declined to speak with sterling. >> i would like to reiterate how disappointed i am in the comments attributed to our owner. and i can't tell you how upset i am, our players are. >> reporter: other nba owners have largely stayed silent but former basketball great and current charlotte bobcat owner michael jordan did speak out. issuing a statement saying in part i'm appalled that this type of ignorance still exists within our country and at the highest levels of our sport. what's next is anyone's guess. the league likely can't force sterling out. but already the advertising community is having its say. five major sponsors pull out today costing the team millions of dollars. the clippers next playoff game is tuesday night. the nba players association has demanded he be barred from that and all remaining playoff games. gary tuchman cnn, atlanta. >> president obama has condemned sterling for making incredibly racist statements. that's a quote. so has michael jordan and lebron james. advertisers are distancing themselves. carmax and version america have cut ties with the team. state farm insurance have put their relationship on hold. filmmaker spike lee has a relationship with the new york knicks not the clippers. he joins us as far more than just a fan of the game. first of all, when you first heard these remarks, what went through your mind? >> i said, why did it take so long? let me tell you a story. i never said this before. my right hand to god on my mother's grave. in los angeles 2011, the nba all-star game was there. me and my friend were at a restaurant and donald sterling called us over to his table, his wife rochelle was there. he started to say why are they going to go on strike, we should pay all the players $500,000. if they didn't play basketball they wouldn't have a job. i swear to god he said that. baron davis, who played for the clippers. he's my second cousin. so he's told me a whole lot of stuff about sterling. then you look at elgin baylor, the highest settlement in history. >> he was sued for racial discrimination in housing. he settled the largest fine ever in the history of housing discrimination. >> so tomorrow is a big day. the commissioner, the new commissioner, adam silver, they are having a press conference here in new york at 2:00 p.m. i'm going to be there. >> you're going to go to it. >> i'm going to it. and a whole lot of people. >> you know this new commissioner. >> adam, i've known adam for a long time. he's a good guy. >> what do you think he should do? >> i don't know the bylaws of the league. but he has to go. >> he shouldn't -- this guy, donald sterling should not own a team. >> he has to go. he's tainting all the other 29 partners. he's tainting the league. he's tainting america. and when you hear something like that, that is a mentality of a slave master. he sees his players as slaves. >> he feeds them -- >> yes. what is that? then i want to say -- i want to comment on what magic said. well people say -- not just magic -- well doesn't he know all his players are black? yeah, he knows that. masters know that too when we were out there in the cotton fields and whatnot working. so he has to go. and i would like to see even though the league is 75% african-american, i think this -- outside of dirk nowitsky i haven't heard from white players. >> you think -- you think the white players should speak out about it not just african-american players? >> everybody. everybody. if you believe in humanity, justice for all whether based on race, sex, whatever, this is an affront to everybody. we all should be outraged as americans. >> what do you think of the reaction of the clippers. you know, taking off their practice jerseys. i mean they're in a tight spot. >> look, i know all those guys. i know doc, chris paul, jamal crawford is here with the knicks. those guys in tough spot and i would have loved to be a fly in the room at that meeting they had. >> trying to figure out -- >> i would like to know how -- was it really a reality that they might have boycotted that game. but right now it's symbolism. and symbolism can being a great. we saw symbolism with tommie smith and john carl with the black fist in the olympics at mexico. and the other players last night, the late game, portland and houston wore black socks. but we need something stronger and i think this is a moment in history where, particularly pizza african-american athletes have to step up. >> they got to do more. >> in my opinion. of course, i'm not in their shoes. but, i know what doc is saying, they work all their lives. they had this dream since they were a kid. of winning an nba championship. >> the coach also said if they keep winning this will keep more in the public eye than in the public conscience. >> i mean doc -- i know doc. he's in a tough space. and i watched the game yesterday. and even though doc and the players won't admit it, that thing has affected them. they are behind 20 points in the first quarter. came back. but they're shook. it's not their fault. >> it's interesting because this is an incident -- we heard from michael jordan, who in the past, has not been the most outspoken. >> michael stepped up. people will wait for michael. he's on -- i know you might say will or some other people have little, little pieces of their nba teams. michael owns the bobcats and people waiting on mike and he came through. he came through. that was a huge for michael jordan to make the statement he did. >> i've heard from a lot of people that said under the bylaws maybe there's anything the commissioner can directly do but that the other owners, you know, can basically go to this guy and say look, you got to cash in. you bought this team for $12 million, sell it, you'll make hundreds of millions of dollars. >> he could make a huge profit. i know people in line up now, i wouldn't personally but i would assume people are lining up now to buy that franchise in the second biggest market. the team is great on the verge of winning nba championship. but could i just say this. >> yeah, yeah. >> there -- kobe said it. he wouldn't play for them. they are not the only -- who is going to want to play for this guy? >> why would a free agent go to that team? >> who's going to want to play for this guy? >> does anything matter? i mean is there any -- some people commented well, maybe the tape is edited or maybe the woman has ulterior motives? >> and why has he not denied it? i'm a film maker. nobody acts that good. that was -- >> that was not acting? >> that was not malarkey. that was -- that was no okie doke. that was the real. she set him up. it looks like that. but no one cares about that. that was him unfiltered and he got caught. he's been saying this stuff for years, for 30 years. >> always fascinated me nobody says i'm a racist. even the people that say the most outrageous thing never say, yeah this is what i feel. they always say no, i love black people or whatever. but then they come out and say -- >> running up and down the court dunking with me. making me money. >> i don't want you to be photographed with him or seen with him or bring him to my games. >> racism is an illness. and as you know, being who you are, it's always bubbling under the surface so it takes an o.j., or trayvon martin and then it explodes but it's always under the surface. >> it's also when you hear somebody saying this stuff, it's easy to identify. there's structural forms of racism in this country where it's -- >> institutional racism. you can't vote and you can't do this or that. >> that's harder for people to see and point to and bet -- get behind. look what this guy said is reprehensible. >> i'm glad that even though i don't really care for how the thing was obtained, who is trying to make money, he got outed. this is who he is. he's been like this for 30 years. and for people to say well, alleged and this stuff, we have to have a picture on him with a rope and a hood and holding a burning cross is that what it's going to take to make people understand who this vile individual is? he got to go. he's got to go. >> spike lee, it's good to have you on. >> if i was a season ticketholder of the clippers -- >> you wouldn't go. >> i'm not saying i would turn my tickets in but i wouldn't be at that game tomorrow night in the staple center. >> you think it's important to send a message. >> very important. i mean, this stuff, again, i think -- i know you got to go. i know you got time. we're never is going to be the great country we can be until we deal with racism. we got to deal with it. honestly. even though it may hurt people we have to deal with this and we can move on and be the great -- already greatest country in the world but -- you know what i'm talking about. >> even better. good to have you always. and always you can find more on the story and others on cnn.com. more on donald sterling's tarnished history and what he has said in the past, what he allegedly said now and what he's paid to settle a massive federal discrimination lawsuit. we'll update you on the second straight dave deadly weather in the south. elsewhere the death toll is climbing. the danger is not over tonight. . ...and a choice take 6 tylenol in a day which is 2 aleve for... ...all day relief. hmm. 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what will the league announce tomorrow. tnt sports kenny smith won two nba championships with the houston rockets. he joins us along with senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. when you heard the tape over the weekend what went through your mind? were you surprised? >> i was surprised. i was shocked. i was appalled. i was angered. all of those emotion went through. i always say that racism is a refuge for ignorance. it was able to see the ignorance that at times you think have gone away in modern day society that is still apparent and prevalent. >> is there anything that can happen other than him being suspended. he has to be suspended. >> i think you know, the first thing is due process, to make sure that was him. i think the nba is making sure all of those things it wasn't edited no transcript way to make him in a different light. if that's the case then second thing is yes you can be suspended. you can be removed from your daily operations. i mean, we have labor laws in the united states that people have to follow. >> jeff, for you, is it simple that the guy has got to go? >> he's not just going get suspended and fined. he's gone. he's not going to be the owner of this team in the immediately foreseeable future. it's true that adam silver, the commissioner, doesn't have the explicit power to force him to sell. but this is a league, thanks to david stern with a very powerful commissioner. there are other owners involved. he cannot stay the owner of this team and he will be gone sooner rather than later. >> if they can't force him out then how can he be so sure he'll be gone. >> he's 80 years old. he's going to be suspended. he can't own -- he can't show up at his own games presumably after he's suspended. he'll have a significant fine. not necessarily from the commissioner but his fellow owners will go to him and say look do you want to fight this in court for your remaining days or take your $12 million investment, sell it for $600 and live the rest of your life happily? i just think -- >> $600 million. >> $600 million. yeah, i mean, there is no way that this league is going to sit still for a guy like this still owning the team. it just can't happen. >> kenny, what do you make of the players' decision of how they handled this to continued to playing. >> well, i think that there's a lot of different ways you can handle it. i wish it would have been more strongly in terms of their input. i would love to hear what each of the players represent the clippers think the chris pauls, blake griffin. when you think of the clippers you don't think of donald sterling you think of those players. so having them voice their opinion -- and i think you have an obligation when you're in this position to speak out and to let us know what you're thinking and to make a change and i think they can do that. >> jeff, does any of the back story to this tape matter? i mean the motives of the woman involved whether or not there was some sort of editing involved. is the bottom line as long as it was his voice that's all that matters? >> you mentioned editing. if somehow this tape has been edited to distort the meaning that could have -- that could have an impact. remember, the clippers have already made a statement and the statement was not that's not me on the tape. and as long as that's him on the tape, and they have also not said it was edited in some misleading way it doesn't matter if she potentially broke some law about wiretapping. it doesn't matter she's not a good person or if they are in litigation. all that matters is what he said and what it means to the larger community. and there's just no excuse. you can't have an owner of any professional sports team much less one with predominantly african-american players who express his views like this. it will not be tolerated. by the way they are already losing sponsors. can you imagine a free agent at this point choosing to go to the clippers if sterling is still owning the team? it just can't happen. >> kenny, the picture that reportedly sparked this racist tirade by this guy from donald sterling or allegedly from donald sterling is this picture with his girlfriend with magic johnson. have you talked to magic? >> i haven't talked to magic and it doesn't matter. the one thing you see in this whole transgression is that you have a person who has been in power for 30 years and made billions of dollars off the people of the state of california, basically, through real estate and through basketball. who have operated in a prejudicial manner. so, of course, he needs to be out of power in terms of where he is. there's no other way around it. there's been smoke but now fire has come. >> i know magic johnson over the weekend talked about it and said he would never go to another clippers game as long as sterling is the team's owner. do you think people should boycott the games? >> that's your personal preference. there are people that support that i wouldn't support. that's your own prerogative. you have the right to protest you have the right to picket. you have the right to not go to a game. that's your individual morality. for me i would never be in a clipper game if i -- as long as he is the owner, as kenny smith, i would never go to a clipper game, no. >> kenny great to have you on the program. jeff, you as well. let's see what the league does. coming up the video that has south korean as outraged. the captain of the sinking ferry scrambling to safety as hundreds of people, mostly students, remain trapped inside. also ahead a big change in the search for missing malaysia jan airlines flight 370. >>> i'm don lemon with breaking weather news to tell you about. a confirmed tornado in alabama at this hour. the twister is near shelton state community college about seven miles south of tuscaloosa and heading northeast at 35 miles an hour. jennifer gray has more. >> this is a dangerous storm. it came very close to the university of alabama, went right over cottondale. we have reports of damage there. it is following this line along i-20. a very dangerous storm. this is tuscaloosa county. you need to be on the look out for this. we have another very dangerous storm right outside of birmingham. just to the north and east of this particular storm we have another one. it is on its heels. it is going to cross over 635. the sirens have been going off in birmingham over the last hour or so. a very dangerous situation there. we have possibly two, maybe three confirmed tornados on the ground between tuscaloosa and just to the north of birmingham. this is also an area we need to watch closely around gardendale. we have reports of tornados on the ground heading in your direction. so a very, very volatile situation right here. it is going to be fluid for the next couple hours. tornado warnings from south of huntsville south of tuscaloosa. if you are on the south side of tuscaloosa all the way up to birmingham be on the lookout. get in your safe spot. these tornados, it's nighttime. you won't be able to see them and they are rain wrapped as well. heed the warnings and get in your safe spot. >> we saw what happened overnight. a number of people died because of these tornados. it is indeed a priority to get to safety. >> the scariest part about it. the folks are in their bed and some people don't have weather radios and have no warnings. it's time to get in your safe spot now. >> i'm don lemon in new york. now back to "ac360." ♪ [ banker ] sydney needed some financial guidance so she could take her dream to the next level. so we talked about her options. her valuable assets were staying. and selling her car wouldn't fly. we helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals, so she could really turn up the volume on her dreams today...and tomorrow. so let's see what we can do about that... remodel. motorcycle. 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mmm mmm live the regular life. >>> we covered plenty of topics about raising girls around here.time we did, you e-mailed us and said please do more on boys. >> we're going for the blue and looking what the boys are all talking about with this exaggerated scene from "the nutty professor." take a look. >> get away. stop it. >> he's a boy. a boy is going to do stuff like that. >> teach him some manners. he shouldn't be a hooligan with me. >> boys will be boys. >> how much does the saying boys will be boys ring true and why are they like that in first place? >> dr. meg meeker is the author of "strong mothers, strong sons" and dr. leonard sax is the author of "boys adrift." >> no matter what we like to think, they are different. i have a boy and i have a girl and they could not be more different. >> they just come out that way, don't they? >> yeah. >> we have studies to show all that too. so any mom who raised a girl and raised a boy, you try to do the same thing and they're completely different people. >> what are the pitfalls that parents fall into when they're raising sons? things
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mmm mmm live the regular life. >>> welcome back to "the lead". the national lead.est cities and one of its most violent. over the past few weeks, cnn has tried to delve deeper into the problems plaguing inner city chicago and what is being done to solve them in the eight-part series "chicagoland." we catch up with a high school principal who has been trying to track down a young student who disappeared after graduation, frankly, because he feared for his life. >> what do you think about going away to college or a trade school. >> i'm n would love going away. >> meet up with me. you know how i am. i don't want to be hearing that something bad happened to you. i don't want to be going to your funeral. >> that young man saga is a reality. while many in the police department have been stepping up their efforts to curb crime, they admit it's a problem they cannot tackle on their own. joining me now is chicago's supplies superintendent gary mccarthy. thanks for being here. i appreciate it. according to your latest crime static, chicago's crime rate is down significantly
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mmm mmm live the regular life. >>> still lots of questions about the teen who hitched a ride to hawaii in the landing gear of a plane. officials at san jose international airport are investigating why no security personnel noticed the 16-year-old cross the tarmac and climb up into the wheelwell of hawaiian airlines flight 45 before it took off. the high school hopped out of the boeing 767 when he got to maui on sunday. his neighbors, as you can imagine, can't believe it. >> i'm like, shocked, that it would be someone across the street. living across the street from us, yeah, very shocking. >> do you have the same questions as everyone else? >> yeah. how did he survive that flight? it's 38,000 feet. who would survive that? >> so how did he survive? we're told the was so thin in the jet's wheel well, passing out was inevitable. it was only 85 degrees below zero, apparently heart rate and brain activity slow in those conditions but can continue and return to normal as the plane descen descends. >>> a pair of prep school grads accused of conducting a drug ring. trace gallagher has more on
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mmm mmm live the regular life. >>> set your vcr to record. >>> this late night talk show host, theseers, this politician, and this city bus driver may seem to have nothing in common, but they all share a common bond. embarrassing, funny, scary. and unbelievable scenarios that all happened on the job. "caught on camera: a hard day's work." >>> hello, i'm contessa brewer. welcome to "caught on camera." one of the most embarrassing moments ever at the worst possible time in the worst possible place oth
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mmm! mmm! is that ice cream? uh, no, it's breyers gelato indulgences. it looks like ice cream. it's not. can i have some? you really wouldn't like it. it's got caramel and crunchy stuff. i like caramel and crunchy stuff. it's not for kids. i'm a grown-up. [ female announcer ] new breyers gelato indulgences. creamy gelato, rich caramel, topped with crunchy curls -- it's way beyond ice cream. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: oh, that sounds great. our first guest is an emmy, golden globe and academy award winning actor, director, and producer. his latest film "draft day" is in theaters everywhere friday. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome kevin costner! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ they love you. kevin costner. come on. [ cheers and applause ] we love having you here. welcome to the show, buddy. i love this look. >> yeah. >> jimmy: that's a great look right there, man. >> every so often i start thinking about making another cowboy movie. >> jimmy: come on -- you're great at it. you have to do that. do you like visiting new york? you like coming here? >> it is hard to be here. >> jimmy: it is right? >> yeah, it's hard for me. things move so much quicker than i'm used to. >> jimmy: do you live in a a ranch? >> well, i live in the country. and -- and i do most of my own work. and i also live in a place called santa barbara, california. >> jimmy: santa barbara. >> either the ocean or the mountains. so it's -- i've gotten, lucky. that's for sure. >> jimmy: yeah, i love santa barbara, it's gorgeous. i just recently purchased a a truck. [ laughter and applause ] >> a big one? >> jimmy: big enough. big enough. i'm very excited about it. >> how do you feel being a a landholder? >> jimmy: i'm very excited about this. it's a different thing cause the city -- you know i have an apartment here but it's -- you don't really own -- you don't feel like you own anything. >> yeah, no. >> jimmy: feels like it's just part of the city. >> jimmy got a truck. >> jimmy: i got a truck it's a a big deal. does that mean you're going to sell yours now? [ laughter ] come on, come on, that's a big deal. i'll send you pictures of me driving the truck. >> i was going to wear that now now i'm not going to. >> jimmy: no, no. i'm not gonna wear that. yeah, exactly. are you kids here with you in the city? >> not this time. >> jimmy: they don't like coming with you. >> it's hard for them here too. they're used to go outside and run. and here they go outside, they almost get in traffic. [ laughter ] they want to know where they can play. and it's a park. and they go yeah but everybody's here. and i go, okay and then -- >> jimmy: like yeah. >> and they are a little confused too when i tried to explain those people were jogging. they thought everybody was chasing everybody. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: no, everything's safe. that's cute. they playing tag. [ talking over each other ] don't chase me. [ laughter ] do people always come up -- i got to say. we've never hung out. but i can give you my e-mail if you ever want to. [ laughter ] i was thinking if we did go out -- if we did go out and hang out with each other, people will just yell, "if you build it they will come, hey buddy." i mean, is that what happens or does everyone just yells that at you. >> well, i'm always surprised what people might say to me. especially in new york. >> jimmy: no, no, no. >> no but it is. i think probably that's the thing i'm happiest about. when someone comes up to me to say perhaps their favorite movie is. i really don't know what's going to come out of mouth. and it could be one of a lot of different movies people will say. >> jimmy: you have a lot of films. >> yeah. but i'm glad that my career didn't drill down to a single movie. you know, so i are they going to say "jfk" or are they gonna say "open range" or are they going to say something. >> jimmy: "whose the second shooter? sup buddy?" [ light laughter ] "yeah i heard you buddy. second shooter. yeah, exactly." "if you build it they will come." "heard you do first time pal. thank you very much, yeah." >> you know how -- you know how i got that part, they were thinking about somebody else, really a fabulous actor, a very funny person. in the end, the director said, "no -- i think people will think he does hear things." and so i got the part because the guy was really convinced that i would be in the corn field. and i would be a person that would really be troubled by hearing voices and the other actor was no we think he hears [ bleep ] anyway. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: he's too out there, yeah, yeah. i gotta say, i told you backstage, "hatfield's and the mccoy's" was fantastic. [ cheers and applause ] i love you for trying to do that. i'd never seen you on tv before, right? have i? >> yeah. that's our most famous feud. it was just -- it was just really great to make that. it was unique to that you guys -- a lot of times, people aren't convinced that you're gonna sit still for stuff. especially my stuff, like three hours long. >> jimmy: like people in business? >> well i think sometimes people have conventional wisdom and the idea is what if everyone is wrong. that's the one i try to subscribe to. and originally "hatfield's" was only going to be two nights long. but the material was so beautiful. and it was -- i didn't want to miss a minute of it. and the history channel agreed. and so that was three nights. you guys watched it. it kind of broke the mold and now they're trying to make three, four day things -- >> jimmy: we loved it. it was fantastic. good for you for doing that. sticking to your guns and doing that. [ applause ] you don't just act and direct and produce. you're also -- i know you're a a musician. you play in a band. >> yeah. >> jimmy: and you're going to go on a tour? >> yeah. actually i'll leave tonight. and -- and -- i always get mixed up about these tonight shows. i don't even want do that part tonight. i'll leave tonight. i get mixed up, they say don't say tonight because we are tonight now. >> jimmy: no, this will air yesterday. [ laughter ] don't worry about that. this already aired yesterday. it's a repeat. everyone's watching. >> yeah i am, i'm taking off tomorrow tonight. i'm going to go to up to seneca and play -- and then -- i'll be out 14 days and we'll play -- i'm gonna play long island at the paramount. >> jimmy: oh, is that right? >> yeah. [ applause ] so i've had this band for about nine years. i only wanted to play wherever i was making a movie. i felt like i was in these communities for two and three months and really never meeting anybody other than a quick snapshot or something in the market. i just thought if i could play live wherever i was at making a a movie. and nine years later we played all over the world. >> jimmy: maybe next time you're around, you can come and hang out us with and jam out with us and the roots. >> that would be fun. that would be perfect. >> jimmy: let's talk about "draft day" when we get back. kevin costner, when we get back. the one and only. 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mmm mmm live the regular life. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ gigantic, gigantic, gigantic ♪ a big, big love ♪ gigantic, gigantic, big love ♪ ♪ final question. reality check really. tomorrow will be seven weeks, day 49. mary schavio, what do you think? >> i think we need to get that preliminary report out and really reassess the situation. so it's a good time to see where we are and plan for where we will go next. >> seven weeks, mikey kay. >> seven weeks is 1/14 of the time it took to find the black boxes from air france 447. we are in for the long haul and just beginning. >> arthur. >> stay the course and for the future of aviation, cameras in the cockpit and streaming data of aircraft position. >> jim tilmon. >> outside of that camera in the cockpit, i can tell you we have learned a great deal out of this situation. we have learned how not to do things and how to do things we have never done before. i think aviation will benefit from this somehow. >> let's get accuracy on the radar. >> we have learned so little in seven weeks. >> i'm don lemon, thank you for watching tonight. see you back tomorrow night. >>>
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mmm mmm live the regular life.riprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you outlive your money? uhhh. no, that can't happen. that's the thing, you don't know how long it has to last. everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive.. confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor can get the real answers you need. well, knowing gives you confidence. start building your confident retirement today. >>> new jersey has had a tough time breaking out of the stereotype of corruption, and its politicians haven't helped very much. new jersey is a rich political prize that often gets overshadowed due to its geographic proximity to new york city and philadelphia. for the last six presidential elections, it's been solid blue, but republicans have managed to hold on to statewide power, including the governor's mansion and half the delegation. you might think the state should be more republican. most voters come from the suburbs and pretty wealthy ones that the. new jers
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mmm mmm live the regular life. >>> many parents have major problems with standardized tests for their kids in school. and for one family that lives in suburban atlanta, those problems created even bigger problems. correspondent jonathan sarey has the story. >> reporter: they want to spare their son and daughter from taking a standardized test at this public school in marietta. they say the test known as the crct provides an incomplete view of students' abilities and creates undue stress. >> the emphasis is placed upon if they don't pass this class, they don't get to go to the next grade. >> when they refused to allow west side elementary to test their children, they say a police officer politely told them they and their children could not be on campus while the crct was being administered. >> he said you and your children are trespassing on school property if they're not taking the test. >> georgia has been using the crct since 2002 while state law has no provision for children to opt out of it, georgia education officials say they do give local districts leeway in evaluating whether
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mmm mmm live the regular life. >>> finally tonight, boston strong.rom all over the world and ran together a year after bombs tore through the marathon's finish line. the second largest field in the history of the race took to the course. right before the race, runners observed a moment of silence to honor those who lost their lives and those who were seriously injured last year. and all the runners were given bracelets like this one to wear. made of banners from last year's race to honor the victims. for the first time since 1983, an american won the men's marathon. >> this is for boston, for the united states and the world. we are resilient. we never gave up. >> no, you never gave up. a city that showed the world what it meant to being resilient and coming together. we here at "politics nation" have a very personal connection to the marathon this year. our segment producer ran today. running the boston marathon was a long time goal of miriam's. for the past year, she's trained morning and nigh. before and after work to meet her goal. and today, she
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mmm mmm live the regular life. >>> a u.s. congress man arrested on a laundry list of fraud charges.hael grim pleading not guilty after turning himself in. he's charge in schemes to under report wages or workers at a manhattan restaurant. some were here illegally and accused of concealing more than $1 million. congressman grim says the charges are bogus. >> this political witch hunt was to assassinate my character and remove me from office. today i get to face the accusers. >> he was released on $400,000 bail. >>> about a week ago, we alerted you to a growing effort to a change how we elect the president of the united states by doing away with the popular vote. if we do that, we would have a president gore, we would have instead of a president bush. supporters are more than half way. they are 61% there. we are hearing new questions whether this is constitutional. judge andrew napolitano is here with us. he's the senior judicial analyst. so quietly, slowly, but surely. >> right. >> those on the left have been going state by state and getting states to pass a pledge to basically pledge
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is it easier said than done? >> it has been for republicans. they've been wrestling with this since the 2012 election in which mitt romney was trounced by president obama with women, minorities. a lot of the party leaders say they want to do something. they want to, you know, maybe go forward on immigration for example. so far, the rank and file just hasn't been able to muster enough unity to pursue any kind of immigration bill, for example. you see other party leaders. prebus of the party started talking to african-american groups and trying to get across this message that rand paul is doing. rand paul himself is outside the traditional party establishment on some issues. he himself didn't even support the immigration bill in the senate. so as much as they sort of talk the talk, there's still, you know, a lack of a sort of positive message from the bills they're but suing and the legislation they're really going after to sort of make that case more broadly. >> what do you think, though, phillip? do you think rand paul is the guy to broaden the republican party's base, given what he's doing? he's certainly tapped into his father's libertarian base there. he's gone into all these college, across the country. he's not getting booed there in places where you might think he would. is this a good strategy? >> clearly, he's trying to leverage the popularity his father had with the younger voting population over the course of the last two presidential cycles. he doing what he can to try and talk about issues in a way that appeals to constituencies that aren't typically republican. he has been a strong advocate for reforming the prison sentencing system. there are a lot wof ways in whih he talks about the republican party. for example, in the first clip he showed, he referred to the republican party as they and the republican party, distancing himself. which is by all means intenti intentional. what he's trying to do is say there's another way to do this, and i'm the guy to do it. >> republican policies, do they match his rhetoric? >> the republican party is a lot different things. there's a segment on previous to this which they were talking about what prison reform looks like, and a lot of the things rand paul has been advocating has not been embraced by the republican party. it's going to be interesting to see as his campaign develops, if he jeb rates enough support that the republican party at large thinks they should embrace it as well. >> so much fallout today from house speaker boehner. threatrically mocking his republican colleagues. first, let's take a look at that. >> oh, don't make me this do. oh this is too hard. >> speaker boehner making these comments in his home district in southwestern ohio. what is this all about? >> the speak, as i mentioned earlier, he's been talking about trying to do immigration reform and he's been unable to sort of get the rank and file to go along with it. eve time he tried to, you saw him put out with the party leadership's blessing this idea of principle, that would pursue a bill that would allow immigrants some sort of status. the rank and file pushed back immediately. they walked it back and blamed president obama. i think people will recognize that. it's a problem. there's a question, you know, does boehner have an overall strategy to advance this? a lot the republican leaders want to do something on immigration before 2016. a growing latino and asian vote is very important. right before the midterms, it does not look like the house republican caucus wants to go along with it. >> the reaction to all this, phillip, talk about that. in terms of what percentage of republicans do you think feel the same way as john boehner does? >> we've seen over the course of the past ten months or so, this dichotomy between the tea party, conservative far right branch of the republican party and the republican establishment. what boehner was representing with that rather strange performance was the view of the establishment. they want to move forward. they want to do something that addresses this issue and have been blocks from doing so. honestly, it was a fairly baffling performance. he acknowledged there was a camera there and then proceeded to do it. it's hard for me to understand how alien eighting his members and also he's for a long time been blaming president obama, saying -- it was very, very strange and i'm not sure it's going to accomplish what he's hoping. >> i'm going to ask you both this. the situation with the nevada rancher cliven bundy. >> i think the government's probably going to keep pursuing, you know, the back penalties for him. he didn't help his cause by these comments to "the new york times." i think public opinion is turning against him. largely. if it hadn't already been. >> quite frankly, think his family's doing a disservice by letting him continue to have these press conferences. someone needs to intervene. >> okay, phillip, david mcnamara, thank you. on the mr. bundy theme, we've been asking you on twit we're should happen next. there's been quite the response here, a few of them. saying, u.s. government should go after every dollar he owns for using u.s. land. he should pay. jail seems most appropriate. tweet, all this bundy ranch has done is emboldened idiots. there's injustice every day in the court. he says, stop extensive media coverage and he will slide into oblivion. i don't blame you, you're right. keep talking to me. i'll be reading more of your tweets later on. a water slide you have to see to believe. cars are driven by people. they're why we innovate. they're who we protect. they're why we make life less complicated. it's about people. we are volvo of sweden. woman: everyone in the nicu -- all the nurses wanted to watch him when he was there 118 days. everything that you thought was important to you changes in light of having a child that needs you every moment. i wouldn't trade him for the world. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. if you're caring for a child with special needs, our innovative special care program offers strategies that can help. it's how i look at life. especially now that i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. i was taking warfarin but wondered, could i focus on something better? 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>> well i don't have any insight that anybody else doesn't have. the fact -- we've got no facts on this thing. it's been months and months, certainly weeks of just spinning and speculation and whatnot. i am on the intelligence committee so i have access to some stuff that most people don't, you know, there just are no facts here. if there were, we wouldn't be in this situation of people having the kind of frustration you just described. it's a massive amount of open space. there were very bad mistakes made that probably made it very difficult or impossible to ultimately find this plane. >> let's get to the drone strikes. as you well know, early this week, there were a couple of large ones in yemen followed by rates from yemeni troops reportedly aided by american pilots. officials are saying that more than 40 suspected militants were killed. have you seen any intelligence indicating high level people were killed? >> i'm not really at liberty to discuss the specifics of particular operations. but, you know, i can assure you that the attempts to find some very high value targets in yemen and elsewhere -- yemen is obviously not the only place where we are looking for senior members of al qaeda and other terrorist offshoots, that is the priority. without question, the priority is going individuals. the press has identified some of them who are not just soldiers but organizers of this system. we will be very aggressive in going forward, going after anyone high value or simply lesser value but planning to attack americans. we will conduct those raids. >> how about this? were the strikes at all connected to that new al qaeda video which rather surprisingly showed that large group of militants in yemen, which included the new al qaeda number two? >> alex, our attacks are almost never driven by the media of the other side. as you might imagine, as i think you know, our intelligence community, our department of defense, does an enormous amount of work to identify, then to follow for very lengthy periods of time the targets that we have to make sure we know who they are, to wait for that opportunity when they can be taken off the battlefield without, as they say, collateral damage, without killing civilians. and there's an enormous number of people working very, very hard to set up what are these attacks. and they're almost never driven by whatever the pr or the media work that the other side does. >> i'm going to play a little bit of the president's drone speech from last spring, which is echoing your sentiments here. let's play that. >> america does not take strikes to punish individuals. we act against terrorists who pose a continuing and imminent threat to the american people. when there are no other governments capable of affecting the threat. and before any strike is taken, there must be near certainty that no civilians will be killed or injured. the highest standard we can set. >> i want to take the first part of what the president said there. can you say with certainty these militants we've gone after posed a threat to americans? >> in this business, we can never say anything with total certainty. that's why the president uses the phrase near certainty. but these are very risky raids. risky in the sense that they can go wrong. risky in the sense -- this is why the president uses the word near certainty. that innocence can unfortunately from time to tyke be killed. because the consequences are so serious, this is not something that is undertaken lightly. the people that we go after, we collectively, the united states government, people have probably studied for years. or are they doing things affiliated with groups, obviously building bombs or planning bombs or training for guerrilla or terrorist activities. these are, again, these are not raids that are undertaken because somebody looks bad, because we got a tip from somebody else's intelligence service or because somebody released a video. these are undertaken with a lot of due diligence. >> one could argue, sir, that the raids by the yemeni forces that followed our drone strike showed the yemeni government is capable of effectively addressing the threat. why also do the drone strikes which often kill civilians and in this case three reported deaths? >> i think -- let's be clear about this. particularly in the past, there have been civilian losses and that's morally reprehensible. it's also counterproductive to the counterterrorism effort. you kill civilians and obviously people take note of that in these communities and people probably sign up with the other side if that happens. that said, the intelligence community, the department of defense, others, have i think done a good deal better in the last couple of years at doing what the president demands of them, which is only launching these raids when there is near certainty. obviously, you can't be perfect. so in warfare, there are from time to time mistakes and bad outcomes. again, morally reprehensible and counterproductive. but no, this is not -- just the fact we do work in concert with the yemenis doesn't mean we always will or that they are always capable of achieving what we want to achieve. we always worry about whether the other side's military or intelligence community is penetrated by agents of al qaeda or others. we've seen that time and time again. we share intelligence and, lo and behold, the bad guys disappear. so there's always a tension there. we want to work with our party ins. we trust the yemeni regime to do the right thing. that doesn't mean they have the same capability we do to keep americans safe. >> always a pleasure, thank you so much. >>> the faithful flocking to rome to witness an historical moment in the catholic church. hey! so i'm looking at my bill, and my fico® credit score's on here. we give you your fico® score each month for free! awesomesauce! wow! the only person i know that says that is...lisa? 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>> the answer there is that in europe, all of this is after tax. so europe taxes people a lot more and gives a lot more money to their poor people. i mean, that's it. it's a policy choice. taxation rates are very high. if you do a list of countries of percentage of gdp that goes to taxes, we're 20th, something like that, right, so there's denmark and all the scandinavian countries and you work your way down to us. it's a policy choice. those countries made a policy choice that they don't want the poor people -- they think there's a standard above which everyone in there society should live. a brute fact about what it means to be a dane. what it means to be a spaniard. >> what about the divide? i mean, that report last week that said the average ceo makes $11 million and the average american worker makes, what, less than accelerating inequality. one the things in "the times" piece about the american middle class is that even that is no longer the case that the american middle class is the richest middle class in the world. the richest rich people in the u.s. are the richest rich people in the world. right. >> right. >> like the top is still doing the best of anywhere in the world. and, you know, again that's the other side of this sort of underlying set of economic circumstances that i think drive a lot of politics in this country. >> the affordable care act. the president announced last week 8 million people signed up. is this now the law of the land and no one's going to be able to overturn it? >> yes. >> what are the republicans doing? you think they'll have more votes? >> i think they are genuinely at a loss. i think you're trying to see it all turn around. repeal is not popular. it's not popular according to "the new york times" kaiser polling that came out yesterday. i mean, georgia, louisiana, north carolina, arkansas, the law's not popular. it's not super unpopular. it's just not super popular. and repeal's even less popular. people do not want the law repealed. when that number goes from 8 million to 9 million or from 15 to 20 and 20 to 30, you take it away from 30 million people. >> so a third rail, if you will, like social security -- >> yes. >> how long do you think until it gets there? >> a generation. >> a generation. so there will be fights until then? >> there's always going to be fights. we still fight about medicare, right? so there will always be fights. but you will not see people talking about -- no one -- no one who -- no one comes out and says let's repeal social security, let's repeal medicare, right? so the idea of repealing is just going to be preposterous. that might happen in much -- might happen in five or ten. >> got to talk about kids. >> i've got a 2 -- almost 2 1/2-year-old named ryan, my daughter, and my son who's 4 weeks today named david. and my wife's incredible. the kids are incredible. it's great. i love it. i really love it. >> you're probably having a lot of daddy/daughter bonding time, right? >> that was the best thing about paternity leave. was we -- my daughter and i spent so much time together. and it was so intense. and she was so affectionate. and it was really important for me to be there from a kind of attention standpoint which is she was just this volcano of emotion. >> she has you right here, doesn't she, just kind of wrapped? >> i do, do love her, very much. >> yep. of course, you can see "all in with chris hayes" every weeknight here on msnbc. tomorrow at this time, chris shares what he thinks the government should do in the fight with rancher bundy. >>> why some say separate and unequal education is coming back. also, we want to hear from you. please head over to facebook and search weekends with alex witt. you can like us to keep the conversation going. 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>> oh, absolutely not. the difference between the south and the northeast and the midwest is that the northeast and the midwest have never really undergone major desegregation. the most segregated parts of the country for black students are, in fact, outside the south. because the south did so much work in this area and also educates the most black students, we have the most to lose there. >> so okay who -- why is this happening? give me the background and who's being most adversely affected by it, if you can be expect. >> okay. well, what's happening is when districts were under court order, any move that they would make that could possibly do with see segregate had to go before the judge. this gave the plaintiffs a chance to say don't rezone in this way because it's going to further segregate students. once those court orders are dismissed, districts can do almost anything they want as long as no one can prove they did so with the intent to discriminate. what happened in tuscaloosa, tuscaloosa had been forced by a judge to combine its two largely segregated high school into one citywide integrated high school. as soon as it was released from the court order it split it into three schools including one that was entirely black. >> so if court-ordered desegregation mandates have proven to be effective in the past, why are they being lifted? >> beginning in the early 1990s, the supreme court made it clear that these orders were not to be permanent. it made it much easier for school districts to be released. they no longer had to show they had eliminated all the vestiges of segregation but only that they had tried to do so and had made a good faith effort. so i also think there's a great deal of fatigue. many people, including judges, believe that these orders have lasted long enough. >> you know, a kodiccord to a r study, schools in new york state with the most segregated. what's your reaction to that? >> it's true. the reason that is true is because there's a great deal of residential segregate in the northeast. new york city is one of the most highly segregated cities in the country. you see that reflected in the schools. and also frankly in the northeast and the midwest there's been very little political support behind efforts that would help to integrate these schools. >> in your reporting, are there ideas on how to reverse this trend? >> well, yeah. there's ways that you can do it. magnate programs. you can open up -- instead of drawing attendance zones around kind of very compact segregated schools, you can draw attendance zones that draw from both white areas and black areas. there's a lot of different ways that can be done. but i think the difficulty is mustering the political will to do so. >> how about the public will as well? the folks in alabama that you went and interviewed, nicole, how do they feel about this? how aware are they about this? how much do they want change? >> well, i would say political will is driven by public will. the public were crying out for integration in the schools, then that would happen. but that's not what -- at least the people who are most powerful in communities are not asking for it. so in alabama, there's a great deal of denial. there's a great deal of denial that even though one-third of black students in tuscaloosa can attend school there, entire 13 years without ever having a white classmate, they will tell you they have uphold their duty to integrate. i guess communities are denying the harms that are being caused. >> so 60 years ago to now, how far have we come? >> well, we've certainly come a great deal from 1954. what george wallace and what other segregationists wanted was that white children would not attend schools with black children. those days are largely gone. there haare there few all white schools left in this country but there are a lot of all black schools. you could say the segregationists didn't win but the integrationists haven't won either. >> your takeaway from all this, everything you've learned, is what? >> well, the takeaway is our educational system is still separate but unequal and i think we have at this point gone back to believing that we can make these segregated schools equal and we have yet to do so. >> nicole hanna jones, great piece, thank you for talking with me. >> thank you for having me. >>> violent storms headed to the nation's midsection. the very latest in a live report. plus, an historic vote on the campus of northwestern university. mao it could change the landscape of college athletics. in the nation, we reward safe driving. add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance and get $100 off for every year of safe driving. we put members first. join the nation. ♪ nationwide is on your side it's not for colds, it's not for pain, it's just for sleep. because sleep is a beautiful thing™. ♪ zzzquil. the non-habit forming sleep aid from the makers of nyquil®. the non-habit forming sleep aid and we'll be here at lifelock doing our thing: you do your shop from anywhere thing, offering protection that simple credit score monitoring can't. get lifelock protection and live life free. carsthey're why we innovate. they're who we protect. they're why we make life less complicated. it's about people. we are volvo of sweden. improving everything from booking to baggage claim. we're raising the bar on flying and tomorrow we'll raise it yet again. we are the thinkers. the job jugglers. the up all-nighters. and the ones who turn ideas into action. we've made our passions our life's work. we strive for the moments where we can say, "i did it!" ♪ we are entrepreneurs who started it all... with a signature. legalzoom has helped start over 1 million businesses, turning dreamers into business owners. and we're here to help start yours. >>> all roads lead to rome. st. peter's square is packed with pilgrims. ukraine's on edge as he renew a crackdown on insurgents. >> america's 100 million gun owners will not back down, not now, not ever. >> tough talk from the nra. how could gun rights advocates be so worried when there are many new laws allowing more firearm freedom? and who's left in the wake of that nevada rancher's racial remarks? who's still daring to defend him? >> day to all of you. just a little bit before 1:00 p p.m. in the east. a powerful springtime weather system is threatening millions right now from texas to the carolinas. this, after several twisters were seen in north carolina yesterday. it was also hit hard by hail. some giant pellets fell from the sky forcing some police officers you see there to rub for cover. the weather channel's dr. greg postel. >> we have a shot at severe thunderstorms today. with cities included omaha, wichita, oklahoma city, where torcons are 4. notice the start times on this. we've got 8:00 and 9:00, meaning most of the day is going to be pretty quiet. the stuff doesn't get going until much later on this afternine or this evening if at all. we have to watch this closely this afternoon. one of the reasons why it will take a while is because the upper level energy is still out to the west. this is the upper level energy that's associated with a system that's going to be giving us several days worth of severe weather. but it's still way out to the west. and only slowly introducing some of those strong winds aloft out across the rockies and plains necessary to get those thunderstorms going in the first place. with all that said, once that does get into play, once the thunderstorms are going to start up, they will have a lot of available energy to work with. this is called a convective available energy. meaning the amount of energy the thunderstorms will have at their disposal if they do get going. this evening and early tonight, that cape or available energy will be at the high end of the scale. meaning those thunderstorms, if they do develop, will be able to get very tall with strong updrafts and potentially produce severe weather. not everywhere in here will we have thunderstorms. but the idea is that they'll have a lot of energy to work with. they will also have significant amount of wind shear. meaning low level winds coming out of the southeast and midlevel winds coming out of the southwest. and increasing in speed. that turning of the wind, an increase in speed with the wind shear, that's going to impart some rolling motion in the atmosphere. gently so. even without the thunderstorms. but we the thorunderstorms get going, they will likely tap environmental wind shear and turn it into their updrafts so updrafts will rotate and that means updrafts will occasionally produce tornadoes. they may do that later on this evening. later this afternoon, right along this dry line, 7:00, 8:00 tonight, the coverage is not real great, it's only isolated at best. there's a cap in place but if these storms do get going, watch out for the possibility of storms across the plains this evening, including the possibility of tornadoes. guys, i want to mention sunday, we have the possibility of severe weather here across parts of the arklatexes where our torcons go up, up to 7. >> thank you. >>> new today, the u.s. and other nations in the group of seven say sanctions against russia could come as early as monday in response to its actions in ukraine. at the same time, the pentagon says rushsian fighter jets have repeatedly flown into ukraine's airspace. now one of the tensest borders in the world. let's go to the white house and nbc's kristin wecker. what are you hearing about this new round of sanctions? >> according to senior administration officials, these new sanctions will likely target high-ranking officials who are close to putin. what the administration calls putin's cronies. the administration would like this round of sanctions to target russia's sectors, mining, banking, energy sectors. but it doesn't appear as though there's an appetite for that amongst european's allies because europe's economies are so closely linked, the various countries within europe, to russia's economy. so taking a big bite out of russia's economy could ultimately hurt america's european allies. it looks as though this next round will focus on targeting individuals. the decision to impose an additional round of sanctions came after president obama spoke to the g-7 leaders while he was traveling in south korea yesterday. according to a readout of that conference call, all of the readers agreed that russia has only escalated the tensions in ukraine due to those military exercises that you described. instead of deescalating the crisis. remember, they agreed to sign a pact to deescalate the crisis. that geneva pact. there was consensus russia has violated that and only ramped up tensions along ukraine's border. here's part of the statement that was released by the g-7 leaders. given the urgency of securing the opportunity for a successful and peaceful democratic vote next month in ukraine's presidential election, we have committed to act urgently to intensify targeted sanctions and measures to increase the costs of russia's actions. alex, again, it could come as early as monday, which would mean they would go into effect while president obama is still traveling in asia. he's in malaysia right now, his next stop is the philippines. this crisis in the ukraine has overshadowed much of his trip to asia, which is aimed at reinforcing america's ties to that region and really pivoting to the asia pacific region. alex. >> thanks for the update, thank you. >>> new this hour, a fierce battle of words is play pg out right now between two party leaders. it began earlier with house speaker john boehner delivering the republican weekly address this morning. >> president said he wanted this to be a year of bipartisan action. well, it still can be. we just need to get his party's leaders in the senate to take up our jobs bills. why republicans may be the minority party in washington, with your help, we've made some headway. we ban earmarks. and for the first time since the korean war, we cut total federal spending for two years running. we've protected americans from permanent tax increases. >> that prompted this response from democratic leader nancy pelosi's spokesperson. quote, speaker boehner can try to paper over the republican record but he can't run away from the facts. house republicans have next to nothing to show for their time in the majority, aside from failed leadership, debilitating dysfunction and a culture of crisis. president obama's trip to asia. why isn't he stopping in china? 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>> what the president is trying to do is reassure friends and allies because we really haven't spent enough time with them in the region. what we've done is we've really been looking to china. we've been feeding their already inflationed sense of self-importance and they become more arrogant and belligerent and that's counterproductive. >> this is perhaps for you the most notable aspect, that he's not going to china. why do you think that's so important? is it really about sending a message to everybody else or is it about a message being sent to china? >> messages are being sent to china as we spend more time with our allies and friends. the transpacific partnership agreement which is this large proposed free trade deal is very important now in this stop in malaysia as it was in japan. that would tie the region together, especially to the united states, in a high-profile trade deal. that's a very important thing for us to do. we also need to reassure our allies that we will protect them in the event of the chinese attack. because the chinese have been grabbing territory from its neighbors over the last couple of years. that certainly has unnerved the region. >> you're talking about the japanese, the senkaku islands? >> there, they're trying to, with very provocative acts of sending their vessels into japanese waters and airspace. i'm referring to the scholl which they seized from the philippines and the united states did nothing. that really got our allies upset because they're wondering if we will defend them. >> the president's saying for the first time america's security agreement with japan covers these islands, the senkaku islands in the east china sea. will that message reverberate in beijing? >> it already has because the beijing diplomats have reacted very angrily to that. that was a very important thing for the president to do. what he said was also said by secretaries clinton, hagel and kerry, but the chinese needed to hear it from the president himself. so that i think was a very good start to a very important trip. >> as you know, the white house has long talked about a so-called pivot to asia. we have ukraine boiling over. syria, mired in civil war. iraq once again descending into bloodshed. can that pivot really happen? >> well, it can happen and it needs to happen. and perhaps the president needs to pivot everywhere. because diplomacy is connected. one of the reasons why japan and south korea are so concerned about the united states is because of indecisive diplomacy on syria. and so these crises can spread from one part of the world to another. the president needs to be strong and firm in all of them because the possibility of this spreading around the globe is really very high. >> i'm curious from a financial perspective here, gordon, good news, in fact, for the u.s. economy. the report from the boston consulting group ranked the u.s. as being number two in global manufacturing competitives behind only china. do you agree with that assessment? and how would an american resurgence affect asia? >> i agree because we're starting to see manufacturing come back to the united states for a number of reasons. and we've also seen competitive -- competitiveness in china erode because wages are going up well in excess of productivity and we're starting to see the chinese enforce some of their environmental laws which has been really detrimental to manufacturers. we see manufacturing especially at the low end leaving china, going to places like ba bangladesh, indonesia, and some coming back to the u.s. it will affect asia because we're starting to see manufacturers understand the benefits of really building things closer to consumers. >> okay, gordon change as always, thank you. >>> tomorrow for the first time ever the catholic church will proclaim sainthood for two popes at the same time and more than 1 million people are expected to gather at st. peter's square for the canonizations. pope john xxiii who led the catholic church until 1963. our reporter is joining us from rome. let's talk about the atmosphere there around rome and st. peters square. looks like you have some weather you're dealing with maybe. is that true? >> right here in st. peter's square, you can see there's nobody because preparations are still under way. now, the pilgrims will be allowed here only tomorrow morning, about 15 hours from now. let me show you what's happening behind the camera. now, you can see, and i'll get the camera to pan it, there are thousands and thousands of pilgrims who are already ckeyin up here because they want to come in 15 hours earlier. they want the front row of the biggest event the catholic church has arguably staged in its history. the canonization of pope john paul ii and john xxiii two the most popular popes in history. now, this -- let me just move the camera to show you. these are the authorities who are trying to stop the pilgrims because of security reasons. but the pilgrims here have sleeping bags and they're even arguing with the authorities. the situation seems to be almost out of control, because, and i hear a big noise here, and i don't know what's going on, but they have sleeping bags because they want to -- not to be stopped by the 1 million pilg m pilgrims that are expected to come here. they want the front row to -- we are not even blessed with good weather, but this is what pope john paul ii and john xxiii is doing to st. peter's square, it's utter chaos here, alex. >> they're just packed in and those sleeping bags in the rain. a difficult and long night. i'll ask you about these two popes. they certainly differ from each other in their leadership and philosophies. put this into context about their approaches. and their canonization to sainthood. >> well, they are known as the two great modernizers of the catholic church. john xxiii started the second vatican council and modernized it to the world. paul ii was the great missionary, the one who brought the new catholic church to the world, with more than 120 trips outside of italy. well, they're very similar also in the way they reached sainthood, for instance. both of them were favored by exceptions. as you know, you need -- the vatican needs to recognize two miracles for someone to be recognized as a saint. john xxiii was recognized only one and pope francis waived the other one while pope benedict xvi the successor of pope john paul ii waived the five years period you need to wait for -- before you can even start the process of the canonization. john paul ii is going be to one of the fastest canonized saint in history. of course, as you said, they're also controversial. not everybody was impressed or happy with the modern take by john 23rd on the catholic church, especially the traditionalists. john paul ii was criticized heavily by many for closing an eye or two on the sexual abuse scandal by priests on children that slowly eamericaed during also his pontificate. nevertheless, more than 1 million people are ready to celebrate these popes. many of them, as you can see, thousands of them, can't even wait for tomorrow morning to get here. they'll do anything to get a front row at this massive catholic event. this is why they're calling us pope-pa pa loose za. this is not like a tradition of the making of a saint. it looks like the day before a rock festival almost. >> when they open those gates, you got to get out of the way. thank you so much. we invite all of you to join our coverage of the historic canonizations beginning tomorrow morning at 4:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. what's missing from the first ever fda regulations on e-cigarettes that's making e-cig makers happy? 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