why is there a different between the covid shots and the traditional mmr shots, should they be treated the same. should we be looking at them the same? >> governor newsom is treating them differently. actually since 2015 there has been no religious or medical exemptions allowed for the basic vaccines like mmr, or chickenpox, and others. so i think -- and that's stemming from that disneyland outbreak. we've had a lot of outbreaks within communities because of these lack of strict mandates. but for covid vaccines he is allowing religious and medical exemptions and i think that is kind of meeting both forces of not having enough experience with the vaccine yet in kids as well as, you know, the desire to move the economy forward, the desire to move our lives forward. >> all right so you're really saying the governor is making an exception and allowing there to be an exemption when we don't have an exemption for those other vaccines that are required by the state if you want to go to school. >> correct. >> okay, that's good to know. let's bring in john from oakland unified. your district pa

you look at childhood immunization schedule the rate for children is anywhere from 90 to 94% for mmr. measles, mumps and rubella. it's been 94% in recent years higher. it's highly variable across country. connecticut is 98%. this year it will be a lot less. other vaccines much less. the compliance with childhood schedule is about 70%. ask yourself what do you think you will achieve with an adult vaccination and what are you willing to do to try to push vak -- vaccination rates higher. i think the biden administration has done a good job rolling this out. before the recent announcement about large businesses, private businesses, i think we would have gotten 80% just based on where we were going. >> that's 80% nationally. that takes connecticut's 95 and what about there are states that are well below 70. >> that's true of every vaccine. >> including measles, mumps. >> the rate of vaccination for mmr in connecticut is 98%. there's some states below 90%. >> they're not at 50. >> right. you're right there are pockets, greater pockets of vulnerability around the country. the rates are going

tom: we didn't have this debate with mmr, we did have some tension but nothing like now. because of culture wars, social media? why did we do this? >> i think it is due to social media. there's a lot of information around there. every decision which leads to more noise. with mmr it was simple. it prevents illness, take the vaccine. that's all that was said. now the modern consumer is looking at how was this developed, how does the approval compare. what is this technology. i don't think half of us knew what an mrna vaccine meant. lisa: we are no longer talking about get to herd immunity, we are talking about a time when we see fewer hospitalizations and many fewer deaths. over in the united kingdom we are seeing the number of hospitalizations and deaths pick back up despite a high level of vaccination. what's the latest school of thought in terms of the threshold of total population inoculated to get to that place. >> the concept of herd immunity is that it's a zero-sum game. that we get everybody vaccinated and the virus goes away. the truth is we still get through break

tom: going back to my childhood and the raging debate at the dining room table over mmr. the children aren't going to die but isn't there a societal construct that we want everyone vaccinated so there is an interdependency and exile genesis solution. >> yes. i think that's reasonable. i think we need more data to see how safe these vaccines are in kids and how much of that versus the benefit we get before we talk about mandates. i think for kids at least. i think they're at a place where it's reasonable for kids to get the shot and it's going to be coming out for five to 11 years old. i am not sure where to put where we are at mandating these vaccines, especially since we don't have something for three or -- 04-year-olds. tom: thank you so much. that's a hallmark headline as we go back 18 months. lisa: to me, the disagreement among health officials, amongst public officials about what to do with the pediatric vaccines, you nailed it when you said ultimately it's a societal issue of trying to reduce transmission or are we dealing with something that hasn't been proven whic

. >> she's due for her, like, last round of vaccinations for mmr, mumps, measles and rubella, and it's able to lump covid into the same thing. >> will you get your child vaccinated, 27% said they would right away, and 33% said they would wait and see, and only 5% if required. >> it has been broken almost into equal thirds. >> liz hamill says parents who are hesitant raised concerns like long-term affects or getting time off if their child has side effects. she says parents' attitudes did change with older kids. >> the share of parents ready to get their teens vaccinated increased as they learned more and have seen other teens get vaccinated, and we expect that to happen with younger kids as well. >> for more information on the vaccine rollout for kids, head over to nbcbayarea.com/coronavirus. >> friday, around here, everybody is ready, but what about traffic mike? where is everybody? >> well, here. there are reports of a crash that just happened on the chp report, right here and it's marked on the map but we don't see slowing. we didn't see any flashing lights. it should be a problem.

we have many vaccines that we do in threes, the mmr, the human papilloma virus, so it makes sense with a boost strategy. whether we all need to rush out and get it is unknown. kristen: what is next, full fda approval and full cdc approval? >> we all know the drill now. the fda says yes, next week later in the week the cdc advisory board. then ruling and either agree or disagree and that's how it goes into law. kristen: that recommendation is super influential, so the johnson & johnson booster is also up for consideration. the drugmaker is asking for a second shot because they were a one-shot vaccine. what exactly is their proposal? >> it's actually quite dramatically changing with team j&j. it's not just about a j&j booster. there is some intriguing data showing that if you get another vaccine type for your second shot you make it more antibody response. it kind of goes with the fact that everybody is moving toward an mrna vaccine, so that will be my prediction for how this will play out eventually. kristen: what do you think will play out eventually? do you think it is slightly -- lik

we have other vaccines that are given at the six-month mark like hepatitis b, mmr, hpv vaccine, et cetera. >> okay. it's also flu season. many people are thinking about getting the flu shot and getting the booster shot. is that too much for somebody to handle or that's fine? >> it's completely fine unless you wanted to go to walgreens or cvs, again, and want to have an excuse to buy two for the price of one. i think it's fine to get the two shots at the same time. >> okay, dr. peter chin-hong, you always answer all of our questions, we appreciate it so much. have a nice weekend. >> thanks, janelle, you too. >>> millions more americans just became eligible for booster shots, but figuring out who's eligible and when can be confusing so we made it easy for you. on our website we have a page with everything you need to know about booster shots. just go to nbcbayarea.com and click on the trending bar. >>> in other news today, another juror was dismissed from the elizabeth holmes federal trial. today for what the judge called good cause. this is the third juror to be dismissed from this case. i

mmr, hepatitis b, tetanus, all these shots. and sp2 77 that was passed, covid-19 is mandated by legislation, not regulation, so there has to be an exemption, medical and personal, religious following under personal. if legislation was introduced, those could be lifted. we will have to wait and see what happens. >> and i do want to add, for the school systems, we are routinely checking vaccinations for those that are already required. a lot of times, it's in specific grade levels and transitional years, such as entering into kindergarten into the school system. this will be a massive undertaking to verify vaccination status of all students in all grades, five through 18 years old. so, this is going to require us to develop some new systems, which covid has continued to push us to do. kristen: are you ready to do that? and what do you think it all entails? because i do know some colleges, for example, require that you just upload your vaccination card. what do you think you're looking at? >> so, san francisco has a very diverse s

. >> she is actually due for her last round of vaccinations for mmr, mumps, measles, rubella next monthso i think it's easy to just lop covid into the same thing. >> reporter: her child is still too young for the next round of vaccine approvals, but both parents' attitudes are typical for about a third of those surveyed by the keizer family foundation. they asked will you get your child vaccinated? 27% said they will right away down from 34 last month. 5% said only if they had to, and a little less than a third said definitely not. >> we haven't really seen any statistically significant movement over time. it's really been broken almost into equal thirds. >> reporter: liz hamel says parents who are he's important raised a number of concerns like long-term effects or being able to get time off if their child has side effects. but the biggest barrier is it's just not available for young children. hamel said parents' attitude did change with older kids. >> the share of parents who are ready to get their teen vaccinated has increased, as they've learned more, as they've seen other teens get

mmr, they all have like a couple of shots in the beginning like within a month. and then you wait a few months, and then you get another shot. >> reporter: nearly 70 million americans are vaccinated with moderna and the same group who qualified for the pfizer booster can get one once the cdc gives the green light. tomorrow the fda advisory panel weighs boosters for the one-shot j&j vaccine. they'll also debate whether to allow mixing and matching vaccines and boosters. a new study from the n.i.h. found that practice is safe and effective. ian cull, nbc bay area news. >>> once the moderna booster gets the final go ahead from the fda and cdc, nearly 70 million americans who got that shot will be able to get another dose. but it will only be half of the original dose, 50 micrograms. in comparison, people getting the pfizer booster will get the same dosage as the original shot and that's 30 micrograms. >>> when it comes time for you to get your booster shot, you'll have to add it to your vaccine record. our consumer investigator chris chmura shows you how even if you

do you do the mmr vaccine and the polio and all that stuff? >> i am totally pro vaccine in general. in general. absolutely. and i think that it's my choice with my doctor. we should have a conversation and decide what is necessary for or children. >> reporter: and tonight, across the country, some police officers are also pushing back against vaccine mandates. in chicago, 35% of the police department's officers haven't reported their vaccination status and risk losing their jobs. >> i really hope the men and women of the chicago police department, who have been fed a lot of stuff, that's the most polite, appropriate word i can use, in this forum, are not going to ruin their careers over going to a website and saying yes or no. >> reporter: last year, nationwide, 62% of all officer deaths in the line of duty were from covid. >> so, let's bring in matt gutman tonight. i wanted to get to this other headline. scientists are now tracking what they call a delta sub variant, a related strain in the uk, where cases are rising. there are reports tonight it's been found in the u.s., too. what

mmr is an example, hepatitis.ified issue, if you will, and we all recognise that. and politicised. to say it's not political would be disingenuous. save our teachers! and the controversy swept up another profession too, with school staff being threatened with sacking if they don't get vaccinated, including in new york city. in connecticut, teacher kahseim 0utlaw refused the vaccine and testing and has already lost his job. i do not use any kind of synthetic ingredients in my life, _ whether that be for medicinal purposes, supplementation, i food and fuel. so the idea of becoming inoculated is something that goes directly - against the way that i live my life and have lived for the _ last decade or more. what is the harm in getting tested every week? so, when we talk about harm, i view it as an unnecessary- medical procedure. kahseim had covid so says his natural immunity should suffice. but that's not enough for a government are ramping up pressure on the unvaccinated. aleem maqbool, bbc news. football now and wal

mmr is an example, hepatitis.ll, and we all recognise that. and politicised. to say it's not political would be disingenuous. chanting: save our teachers! and the controversy swept up another profession too, with school staff being threatened with sacking if they don't get vaccinated, including in new york city. in connecticut, teacher kahseim outlaw refused the vaccine and testing and has already lost his job. i do not use any kind of synthetic ingredients in my life, whether that be for medicinal purposes, supplementation, food and fuel. so the idea of becoming inoculated is something that goes directly against the way that i live my life and have lived for the last decade or more. but what is the harm in getting tested every week? so, when we talk about harm, i view it as an unnecessary medical procedure. kahseim had covid so says his natural immunity should suffice. but that's not enough for a government are ramping up pressure on the unvaccinated. aleem maqbool, bbc news. france has threatened to reduce suppl

the comparison between the covid vaccine and an mmr shot is kind of ridiculous. can compare the covid vaccine much more to the flu shot which generally is a choice. if you want to take the flu shot or if you don't want to take the flu shot. it's scary when we see people like the good doctor who i'm so glad to see on the show be here today, taken out of the debate. this becomes far more political than it becomes about science. it's actually very frightening thing. >> laura: dr. botticelli, we are going to have the fda approval of the vaccine for 5-year-olds to 12-year-olds. you get the sense they are ramping this up. it's coming. where are we going to be then. if the teachers are upset. not all of them but some of them. what are parents of five to 12-year-olds going to be saying in a few months? what are they going to do? >> it makes no sense to mandated. it should be a choice that parents make in conjunction with consultation with their doctors just we do for many other treatments. making it for us mandated, it breeds distrust and public health. frankly the other

but his positions are coming under closer scrutiny, like his support for requiring vaccinations for mmre it is one that everyone should get, but we shouldn't mandate it the. >> is it the politics or science that you support mandates. >> nothing about politics in here for me. . >> should we mandate it for young children? >> i think we need to step back and recognize the best way to do this is to encourage everybody to get the vaccine. . >> and his calls for election expect, which we repeatedly raised during his primary race to solidify his standing with the far right base despite saying now there is no evidence of fraud as trump and many followers insist. >> you believe all day long that president biden won? >> i have been very clear that there's not extensive fraud in virginia. >> with early voting under way, younkin is hoping to capitalize on any dissatisfaction with president biden and the democratic policies in washington. >> go vote. who has streeted already? >> in a november contest in which each are portraying the other as extreme. >> all eyes are on virginia. america wants us to

especially if the states start actually demanding it like they do the mmr and all the other vaccinationsstephen sample, continued good health to you and enjoy your family, thank you for having us in, taking our questions as always. >> thank you. >> coming up for us. because one person's free speech is seen as another person's hate speech, there were protests in l.a. today, over something being beamed in to american homes as we speak. beamed in to amecarin homes as we speak [ sneezing ] needs, plop plop fizz fizz. alka seltzer plus cold relief. dissolves quickly. instantly ready to start working. so you can bounce back fast with alka-seltzer plus. now available for fast sinus relief. (upbeat music) - [narrator] this is kate. she always wanted her smile to shine. now, she uses a capful of therabreath healthy smile oral rinse to give her the healthy, sparkly smile she always wanted. (crowd cheering) therabreath, it's a better mouthwash. at walmart, target and other fine stores. ♪ ♪ >>> the legendary stand-up comedian, lenny bruce did a lot of offensive material. it was outrageous and often

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. >> the rate of vaccination for mmr because i looked in connecticut is 90 percent. i'm telling you the national averagesbetween 90 and 94 percent . >> they're not at 50. you're right that there are pockets, there are greater pockets of vulnerability around the country but the rates have gone up. >> that's a good thing, we want rates to go up. what is the rate we wantto get to ? >> we ought to decide what is success here and what are we willing to do to achieve it. my view is we would have gotten 80 percent. maybe we can get 85 percent if we impose a lot of the mandates have been announced. there's a price to be here because we can something that was vertically political and made it more objective political now that we're managing it on small businesses. my personal view around us and i'm kind of going far a field but this will be the next question on the suspects is that you're going to pay a price for imposing these mandates on small businesses. this is not an individual choice and that getting a vaccine only affects me. your choice about getting vaccinated affects

. >> well, i would see that met many vaccines that were used mmr measles mumps rubella given pablo virus. hepatitis b they'll come in threes as priming stage within the month. first month and boosting says many months later and what that does is that it kind of gives you a much more than 6 months possibly years if not lifelong. but i would say them the most serve pressing group to get a booster shot as do so over 65 take the example of cook. colin paul, for example, he would and should have gotten. it was a shot. i think for everybody else, not an emergency. so i agree with you councilman in terms of not rushing to get it. but i think if bush says i'm eligible, they can also help prevent infection even though as an infectious disease doctor, the most company is preventing hospitalizations and death. doctor, real quick. we're out of time, but holiday season is upon us a lot more people are traveling foreign travel is now authorized for those was shots. >> what is your feeling? are you concerned that could be another outbreak. well, you know, every time people movie worry you know, potenti

the question becomes, do schools around the country start mandating this vaccine like they do mmr, diphtheria.? do you think that will happen? should that happen? >> we are seeing some places have conversationsbout it. that has been an active conversation in california alone. los angeles county voted to -- mandate vaccines in their district. it's premature to be talking about mandates. let's look at the data and the vaccines and understand w they work. let's talk to parents. we have so much more work to do to overcome parents concerns about these vaccines. one of the worries i've had is that we haven't really seen the level of uptake among teens who are already eligible to be vaccinated that we could see. you can imagine that the same concerns may exist for vaccinating the younger children. we have a lot more work to do to address that hesitancy that may be there. in my view, conversations about mandates are premature and could make those conversations even harder. reporter: the fda will authorize the ability to mix and mass. if you got pfizer coming you could get a booster of madrona or vice

>> so we already require in most schools mmr vaccine among many others such as whooping cough. definitely covid vaccine is recommended now, and states will have control over whether that vaccine will be required for school entry or not. and so i think it just remains to be seen. for now i do think it's really important for as many people as possible to get the vaccine to help with this pandemic and to help protect people. >> what do we need to know about potential side effects when it involves kids and vaccines? >> with any vaccine there's a potential for a day or two of mild side effects that will go away. and that includes having a sore arm, maybe a little bit of a fever, headache, fatigue, really minor side effects that compared to the potential for serious symptoms from regular covid infection or long covid or even death, the side effects for a day or two, a day of two of vaccine outweigh any of the risks. >> all right, good to see you. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >>> all right. n details on a deadly shooting on a movie set. a crew member in charge of ham

heb, mmr, things like that, you get a transplant and go on immunosuppressive drugs.ething, you have a much higher chance of contracting the disease you could have been vaccinated against. and that could potentially waste an organ transplant. what the university of colorado has said is there is about a 20% higher chance of dieing if you've not been vaccinated, subsequently receive an organ transplant and that is what is really driving this. >> i learned something, i didn't realize there were those protocols around organ transplants in general. it makes sense now that you say that. you're a television star, a worldwide media star, it goes beyond television. and you were on the late show with stephen colbert last night. i want to play a little bit of that. >> when you were here in june, well, felt like things were going in the right direction. >> yeah. >> okay. and now i don't know what direction we're going in. i'm a little turned around because i knew that delta would come in and there would be a -- what is going on? >> i often thought about the country as my own pati

now, the vaccines that parents who are totally open to vaccinating their kids, right, mmr, right, all tested for years, for decades, right? so, you are not putting something new in your kid's arm. you are putting something that you know is tried and true. this is seven months being tested. so what do you say to parents who say, gosh, it's seven months, zero -- you know, 0. 3% of the deaths have been among young children, why don't i wait? what do you say to them? >> i -- i say don't wait because your child will get infected if you don't vaccinate them. it's just a matter of time. delta is all over the united states. it's really the only variant circulating and it will infect -- it will infect your child. i would say to these folks, these vaccines have been given to almost 4 billion people on this planet. we know the safety profile for these vaccines, generally. and the clinical trials are showing the safety profile for this vaccine in this dosing range for kids. look, i am a parent. my kids are big now but i believe in bike helmets and i believe in seatbelts and i believe in car seats

personalities and radio hosts claimed it would be better for your children to get measles than to get the mmr vaccine. so this is not a new idea. it's not even necessarily a new idea in the context of the pandemic. some of these folks have been making this claim really since covid-19 appeared, you know, people like dell bigtri. i believe last june told his viewers to get this cold. so this is a common talking point and a dangerous one. >> yeah, i mean, what i think is clarifying about it is that in some ways it reaches what to me is the idealogical bedrock. i have hard time understanding or empathizing with this view, which i think is one of the most deadly views that i have seen propagated in my time in public life. 150,000 people have died from this -- from this virus. but when it comes down to is kind of the social darwinism, like, yes, a lot of people will die and like them's the breaks and they are old, poor, vulnerable anyway and if you survive it shows you are strong and you kind of get that vibe a little bit off the praeger stuff and the joe rogan interview with sanjay gupta as well.

the question becomes then do schools around the the country start mandating this vaccine like they do mmrtheiria, hepatitis b, et cetera. do you think that would and should happen? >> we're already seeing some places have conversations about it and that's been an active conversation in california, los angeles county i believe voted to mandate vaccines in their district. in my view, it's premature to talk about mandates. let's look at the data, the vaccines, understand how they work and crucially talk to parents. we have so much more work to do to overcome parents' concerns about these vaccines. one to have the worries that i've had is we haven't really seen the level of uptick among teens who are already eligible to be vaccinated that we could see. so you can imagine that the same concerns may exist for vaccinating the younger children. so i think we have a lot more work to do to address that residual hesitancy that may be there and in my view conversations about mandates are premature and possibly make the conversations harder. >> reporter: separately, i want to ask a question about the

if you remember as a schoolkid you had to have polio, mmr, this is not far outside of accepted practiceneil: i worry when i hear health care workers aren't getting vaccinated. that is one part of the subset of the population would. many have perfectly valid reasons, i'm not here to criticize them, if health care workers are being held back and if you're not a vaccinated american it, doesn't matter, doesn't that give them still more reason for pause? >> one of the things that bothers me about health care workers not getting vaccinated i feel like doctors and nurses, those that work in the hospital should set the example and lead the way. not only are they putting themselves at risk but they're putting their high-risk patients at risk for transmitting the covid-19 virus. i think honestly it is shameful that a health care worker would not put their patients first and get the vaccine. neil: doctor, while i'm talking to you here anthony fauci over the weekend was talking about where we stand on the virus and even going so far out as to christmas as to whether we can gather as we normally wou

i think this is quite different than the mmr vaccine for example people compare it to the requirementschool to get the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and that i don't think is a fair comparison because we know that vaccine is safe. we have tested that vaccine for decades. >> absolutely. we know we have a very good sense of what the adverse events are. we do not have that with this particular messenger rna vaccine. i think there are some children as has been said in the 6 to 11-year-old group who are deserving of this and may very well have benefits but there may be other children at increased risk of myocarditis. it was a very sophisticated, mathematical model that was given. i remind people the rate of hospitalization in this age group of 6 to 11 is 0.1 per 100,000. or less than 10 per million and the rates of myocarditis in older groups with a different vaccine from israel at least were as high as 100 to 150 cases. per million. so i think we have to very carefully monitor the safety profile of this vaccine going forward if the acip does recommend it and hopefully for those chil

stuart: what is the difference between the covid vaccine and ones mandated for children like mmr, measlest higher prevalence, diseases like measles are more contagious than covid and there's a threshold above which we say this is a vaccine preventable illness but this is an illness that may circulate population like a common cold, we don't know season to season how the vaccine will do, we don't know the prevalence of the infection. with covid we don't know what a post pandemic risk would be to kids. that is why we should not have mandates for vaccines in kids. stuart: know on vaccine mandates from doctor markcarry. some universities including johns hopkins are mandating the flu shot. what do you make of that? >> this is something new. we have always required flu shots for healthcare workers and maybe that makes sense but we have become very paternalistic. universities and employers need to ask when will they lose people and say this is something where the flu shot may work 20 or 30% of cases of the time and the flu virus is a low risk to the population of young people. there's a lot of va

worked wonders, it just came out a year ago, we've never done that the white house talks about polio, mmrids are mandated to take those vaccines it is because those diseases almost unlate rattily affect judge kids and death rates are significantly higher than covid-19 ever has been. stuart: congressman, thank you for making a forcible case. come back soon. >> anytime. stuart: i want to go back to the blue origin launch. william shatner, i don't know whether we call him william or bill. i always called him bill william, anyway, mr. shatner and the blue origin crew are onboard. the "countdown" clock has been stopped again, this is another brief period we're told. the load took longer than expected, loading people on to the capsule a bit longer than expected. the the countdown clock has been suspended. we're 15 minutes away from launch as we speak. you're looking at the capsule there. >>> teacher shortage in florida, this follows from byron dyson there, i'm sorry, let me correct, that byron donalds, i'm very sorry, following what he had to say. in florida the teacher shortage has gotten a lo

seeing it in massive keytruda number, gardasil numbers, your mmr, chicken pox vaccine doing well becauseits. what are you seeing in terms of covid impact and what you're modeling going forward >> first of all, meg, thank you for having me on again i really appreciate the time this morning as you said, we did have an incredibly strong quarter and it's coming across all pillars of our business. you mentioned some of those within our oncology business led by keytruda, grew 22% in the quarter. vaccines led by gardasil grew 68% in the quarter and then obviously animal health business, strong growth at 16% we are seeing impact of the pandemic largely receding, and really have strong underlying demand and good momentum in the business right now that i feel really good about. >> so you didn't include mulnupur but striking deal with governments. how do you look at the impact of that drug and dynamics of covid right now. numbers are high but coming down ho are you looking at that for the rest of the year and into early next year? >> yeah. you know, obviously, as you mentioned, while it does seem s