d mms folks -- the mms folks go to work. take me through the process that happens when the permit comes in, in terms of getting to the approval stage. >> an application for a permit to drill is submitted based upon the exploration plan that had a party been submitted and previously approved by dumping minerals management service. there would have been-- approved by the minerals management service. there would have been an investigation. the minerals management service employees with look at the application for a permit to drill. it would assess the adequacy of the information. -- they would assess the adequacy of information. it would either reject or accept the application for a permit to drill. once the permit is issued to the industry member, they can go forward and begin their operations. >> what you just described could be an entirely paper exercise, right? the permit comes in. information is sought. the personnel of mms review it to determine if it is complete or insufficient. an intelligent person can figure out how m

how will the restructure of mms impact wrong shore rvenue collections since mms currently collects their payments? will there be a change of procedures? or will it be under the current processes? >> the -- what will be the office natural resource revenue collection would be the entity that would have the responsibility for collecting those revenues, as you know, mms has done that for both onshore as well as for offshore. that effort would be one that would be moved over to this office of natural resource collection. i hasten to add, that our proposal is one we have put together over the last -- really over the last year, put it down on paper over the last several months, it is important for mike bromwich. i am deliged to have him on board running the organization. i want his input on how best this organization can do the job that needs to be done. >> protecting america is critically important to both of us. not cutting corners is just unacceptable. this winter you released new leasing standards for blm, can you assure me this is not going to happen? >> we have put bob abbey in place with

hayward is not prepared to answer the questions, and we need to get mms in here as well. >> mms is not going to help mr. hayward answer the questions. he needs to answer the questions himself. >> any one of us could do his job. >> we're in recess for one hour. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2010] >> more about the bp oil spill on the cspan web site. you can see all of tony a word's hayward's testimony from thursday. >> our public affairs content is available on television, radio, and online and you can connect with us on facebook, a twitter, and youtube. you could also go to our website, c-span.org. "washington journal" is next. later this morning we will hear for a man -- from a member of the afghan parliament. this afternoon, the head of the u.s. international agency for international development will be at the press club. he will talk about haiti and u.s.aid priorities at 1:00 eastern. the house of representatives pushed back a vote on a campaign finance bill. a number of interest groups have received disclo

so i know that you're reforming mms.tion is are we going to have the right regulatory oversight, vigorous oversight so that we don't relive this including on response plans and, lastly, are we in challenge -- there have been some reports that there is another drilling rig near the deepwater horizon called the ocean saratoga that appears toe with a ten-mile-long slick visible from satellite images. it was only discovered because of the images of the deepwater horizon. do you have any information on whether that is, in fact, a spill so kurring and if so what is being done t it? >> let me, senator menendez, i appreciate your comments and i know your passion and views on this for a long time and let me assure you they're taken into consideration. with respect to the other spill that you speak about, my understanding is that it is a remnant left over from hurricane ivan and that it is leaking i guess at approximately a third of a barely a day but i can get -- we will get some additional information for you on that. with respe

i know the history o mms perhaps better than almost anybody else. there were huge pblems there. that's why people have been terminated. people have gone jail. people have been rep remanded. and ultimately what is essentially this blow up of mms and the revolving doorssue is one which we need to make sure doesn't happen. >> let's flow up on it. particularly look at this one that cited involving march 1, 2010. that's an exale to me with respect to the emergency respon issue, i think there is a general consensus now that the emergey to deal with it as fast as you and i would like. not on a company basis to establish a permanent oil spill response capability. and i am just putting this out by way there are other approaches that resemble this. if it's going be important to strethen the oil spill response capability, do you think that this is an issue that ought to be examined? >> this is an i that needs to be examined and will be examined. we will address the issue. >> i appreciate the answer. i think what you told me it's on the table. that's what i was hoping for. les go to work as

secondly, mms "hston at of nearly400 offshore und safety investigations, mms collected only 16 fines of 400 investigations. so i know that you're reforming mms. the question is are we going to have the right regulatory oversight, vigorous oversight so that we don't relive this including on response plans and, lastly, are we in challenge -- there have been some reports that there is another drilling rig near the deepwater horizon called the ocean saratoga that pears to be with a ten-mile-long slick visible from satellite images. it was only discovered because of the images of the deepwater horizon. do you have any information on whether thatis, in fact, a spill kurring and if so what is being don ? >> let me, senator menendez, i appreciate your comments and i know your passion and views on this for a long time and l me assure you they're taken into consideration. with respect to the other spill that you speak about, my understanding is that it is a remnant leftver from hurricane ivan and that it is leaking i guess at approximately a third of a barely a day but i can get -- wwill get s

i mentioned mms earlier and the mms officials approved inadequate spill response plans and field inspectors rubber stamped inspection papers submitted by oil companies. this is another area where we as members of congress in doing our due diligence will ask you all and mms why. but what is the most damaging is that the president and senior officials knew on day one the blowout preventer was not working and knew of the potential spillage. while bp shoulders much of the responsibility for this spill, the lack of effort by this administration to contain the spill has doomed the economy and wildlife of the gulf coast from an oil spillhich could have been contained. and now recently imposed drilling moratoriums will further devastate america's energy produion and will destroy hundreds of thousands of jobs in e gulf coast region. thank you for being with us today, mr. chairman, i yield the balance of my time. >> thank you. i next turn to ce chairman of the subcommittee, opening three minutes sir. >> mr. hayward, you're not going to get a lek schur from me today and you're not going to get an apol

i mentioned mms earlier and the mms officials approved inadequate spill response plans and field inspectors rubber stamped inspection papers submitted by oil companies. this is another area where we as members of congress in doing our due diligence will ask you all and mms why. but what is the most damaging is that the president and senior officials knew on day one the blowout preventer was not working and knew of the potential spillage. while bp shoulders much of the responsibility for this spill, the lack of effort by this administration to contain the spill has doomed the economy and wildlife of the gulf coast from an oil spill which could have been contained. and now recently imposed drilling moratoriums will further devastate america's energy production and will destroy hundreds of thousands of jobs in the gulf coast region. thank you for being with us today, mr. chairman, i yield the balance of my time. >> thank you. i next turn to vice chairman of the subcommittee, opening three minutes sir. >> mr. hayward, you're not going to get a lek schur from me today and you're not going to get

for enforcement by the mms. >> i think the united states and then the north sea countries have the most mature regulatory structure because that is where it has taken place along this. those -- has taken place above longest. for exxon, believe to be is the best practice and apply it globally. it does not matter where you are. you have a well controlled incident, you need to use the best you have everywhere. we do not make some distinction that i will cut a corner in this country because i can. >> i know in the north sea when they had an accident in 1988 and 100 -- 180 people were injured. changes were made to split the enforcement agency, similar to what the administration is now proposing with the mms. that is a better structure? >> i do not know if the structure is as important as the process by which the oversight occurs. >> i am not sure i can grade all of the differences. >> one model should we be looking at? >> we start with the regulations in each country and then we apply our standards on top of those regulations. they are very similar. the application of our processes and proce

you all know that mms success by the sectorial order.here will be a new direction forward in terms of how we move forward. we are separating the revenue collections of mms totally away from that part of the department. mms has historically been located within the assistant secretary's minerals. there are approximately 900 people who work in that part of the department. their job is to go out and collect the money on behalf of the american citizens which they have done in good ways for a long time including an average of $13 billion per year. that comes in the federal treasury from will and gas in most of that coming from the offshore. they do that day in and day out. the functions of that will be moved fully away from minerals and put over to secretary of policy management appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate. that will be a complete separation of the revenue collections. what we will do with the rest of the agency is provide a bureau of ocean energy management which will have the responsibility for moving forward with

mms did not have a plan for responding to disasters, and mms did not have a real inspection and compliance program. it relied on the expertise and advice of the industry on how and how much they should be inspected. mr. secretary, i understand that you intend to reimpose the moratorium on new drilling in deaths of more than 500 feet that was set aside depths of more than 500 peakfeet. some may not have adequate safety equipment, backup technology, or sufficiently trained personnel this is deeply troubling. i want you to know that i fully support the moratorium and hope you do reimpose it as quickly as possible. the last 64 days have clearly demonstrated that the technology in use for deep water drilling is not sufficient to prevent or stop environmental disasters. prior to the beat pete spill, containment and termination of oil leaks -- prior oil thebp spill, containment and termination of oil leaks had never been tried before. i will put in the specific failures of technology, the blowout fail-safe that remotely operated, vehicle failures, the soda straw that had to be removed, the top ki

hayward is not prepared to answer the questions, and we need to get mms in here as well. >> mms is not going to help mr. hayward answer the questions. he needs to answer the questions himself. >> any one of us could do his job. >> we're in recess for one hour. >> several members of the committee are disappointed with your lack of candor and your refusal to answer questions. we wished to have this meeting last week. we agreed to give you an additional week so you would be adequately prepared for this hearing. in addition, we allowed you to prepare. chairman waxman and i sent you a 14 page letter outlining five issues to should be prepared to address in today's hearing. you did not address any in your opening statement, and thus far have responded with little substance and claims of not knowing or not being part of the decision making process. you say you are accepting responsibility for your actions, yet you have not provided us with direct answers thus far today. i sincerely hope that you will reconsider your approach to these questions. i hope you will be more forthcoming and less eva

guest: obviously, mms has done a terrible job. at this time i don't know how much we can expect the federal government to do. certainly, there is no expertise to stop this well from leaking. it will have to be bp. we would like to see -- it is hard to understand bp's responne gutted by the coast guard and pushed by the federal it seems to be so strange, lacking. -pthe oil is appearing close to here and we would like to see a whole fleet out there hitting phe edges of it before it hits, but they keep telling us that there are skimmers ut there. we do not see many. we are expecting to see an overwhelming response. we want to see bp i do like this is their own backyard and we're not sure that ww are seeing that. host: yet we do see a new advertising campaign with the ceo tony nayward saying that they will get this right, essentially. do you dobp? >> did you believe bp? guest: they clearly understand it is a mess. the problem is, going back to the story last week with bp's plan -- they essentially did not even think that the oil would

it was approved by the mms. there was discussion. in the course of the drill of the well whether a long string or a seven inch line would be most appropriate. that is what i understand based on having looked at the documents and listened to our investigation team. the decision to run a long string, at least in part was to deal with the long term integrity of the well. >> let me be fair to you. because i'm asking you to look with hindsight as to what happened and the decision that was made. but, your own engineers warned in advance that this was a risky approach and i would like to put on the screen what's called a plan review that your engineers prepared in mid-april warning against the long string of casing as you can see. your engineers said if you use a long string of case, quote, it is unlikely to be a successful cement job. you would be unable to fulfill mms regulations and there would be an open annulus to the well head. those are serious risks, a failed cement job, violation of mms safety regulations and open pathway for gas t

as far as the restructuring of mms, the agency formerly known as mms, on that battleground -- there will be a battle there. it is part of homeland security, saxby chambliss, max cleland. you do not redo an agency without some bitter battles over obscure topics. the battle lines have not been drawn. that goes back to one of those things about, how do you, taking into account all the information, how do you do it in one month? maybe they will pass it and we'll be fixing this for the next 10 years. >> we have talked about what should and should not be added. i do not agree that -- i agree completely that we need to reduce our dependence on foreign sources for energy. i do not necessarily agree that drilling deeper has been the mantra. they drilled on the intercontinental shelf because that was the area available for leasing. there can be discussion about other places and processes as we look forward. >> i apologize. i have recently graduated in journalism. these are my thoughts from the whole panel, instead of a pin pointed question. i am sure the public would enjoy a picture book of what t

>> mm-hmm. >> you've seen him? >> yeah, i saw them. are you going to work? >> i am barack obama. >> why do you think that? you look a little bit like him in that suit. >> i feel a lot like him. >> ok. >> that's just -- that part of it is just kind of a side bar. but what do you see is the connection there between this young fellow and barack obama? >> i think it's obama's presence in the film and in harlem is sort of understated until that moment. but it's very important. i think he is a really important person for these kids and you see his picture in the classrooms and the parents have his calendars in their atment. and so greg junior would dress up as him sometimes and go to school and work around the apartment. >> and what's -- i didn't mean to -- >> no. >> what's barack obama's position on charter schools? >> he is pro-school choice, i think. i mean, his race to the top fund is a really historic stance on the need for more options for parents and that includes charter schools. so he's very positive in that regard. >> now, at the end of this, and we're n

. >> is a plannthat mms and the coast guard requires to calculate according to their methodologies. but the point is, we have to take a risk that -- we have to take every step to make sure that this does not happen. we're not well-equipped to prevent any and all damage. there is damage that will occur. >> we cannot respond to a worst- case scenario. >> our response is underway and is having some response -- some affect. but there is no response that will guarantee no impact. it will probably never exist. >> if we cannot handle 40,000, how can we handle 160,000? >> tony hayward will be on capitol hill this week to test the four before a house energy and science subcommittee. all of our recent coverage related to the bp oil spill is available at c-span.org /oilspill. also there, the president's address from the oval office. we heard a perspective from two people. >> present obama is going to give a speech about the bp oil spill. what would you expect the federal government to do about the situation? >> i'm giving you my opinion. there really is nothing that they can do. i have been he

host: what should happen with mms?st: every american needs to know we have the best safety regulations. they are being implemented and we have confidence that the government officials -- people guarding the chicken house are doing their job, which appears not to have happen. host: should you take away the responsibility of inspecting them? guest: i think that is a possibility. i do not think they should be combined. i do not think he should give it to a system that is charged to protect the environment. i think regulation of safety is different from protection of the environment. the agency should be looking at environmental impacts. the agency insuring drilling is done and we should keep them focused on each of their separate functions. host: let's go to the phone calls. caller: i am informed through the media. if louisiana wants to overcome the moratorium on drilling, would the state be willing to assume full responsibility and waiver, holding all the parties responsible? guest: the state of louisiana was on a plaint

of broad based marine mammal studies, many of which are part of the statements put together by the mms much of the response plan is prescribed by regulation, including the models that are used to project a different scenarios for oil spills. many of the statements and representations -- >> and these are regional oil spill response plans. how can walruses' begin their response plan for the gulf of mexico? this is a regional plan that each company had to put together. >> it is unfortunate that walruses were included. were included.rassment that the- but that is part of a larger marine mammal plan used in preparing regional response plans. >> your plan as

of course, mms is supposed to be in charge of doing that vetting. b.p. obviously realizes they messed up, and every day that goes on, they look courss and worse. i do not think there are purpooefully trying to do a bad they were just not prepared to do the job. host: as you know, the president traveling to the gulf coast, his first overnight since that oil spill on april 20, and then on going to the white house to meet with the president. do you think anything will change? guest: nokomis because, again, -- no, because i assume that b.p. is doing everything technologically that they can. there have been some suggestions that they put up some amount of money and essentially give it to the states. i think that would be a good idea. if we could tell mr. obama to do anything, it would be that. tell b.p. to turn the money over to these local ommuniiies and states and start doing what they need to do. other than that, i do not think there is any major bullet. host: carl wernicke, thank you for being with us early on the sunday morning. bye. >> with the supreme

and in terms of this, what is the mineral -- mms. i guess what i am asking is, if the president tonight should be stressing more in terms of regulating and less and terms of bp being at fault. thank you very much. guest: i think we need both. bp is the responsible party. but the caller is absolutely right. it refers back to the financial meltdown. he is absolutely correct about that. and it wasn't just on the financial side, but interior in mms and elsewhere where regulators were supposed to be regulating. they were boasting about being willfully blind. it is unbelievable what happened in the last decade or so. and a result was in the financial area, we have virtual gambling going on in the highest levels of some financial institution. and in this area you had circumstance in the minerals management service where regulators were not doing their job. they were too close to the industry. . caller: this whole thing is fishy. host: how, caller? caller: yes, this whole thing is fishy. with these o.j. simpson truck, the media ate him alive

[inaudible] >> that will plan was approved by mms. howdy reconcile that conflict there? -- how do you reconcile that conflict there? >> we will look at the suits what action is a program. the thing i want to emphasize to date that the focus of our effort is on making sure that we act in a way that is consistent with the cleanup and that we are responsible in doing what we can to make sure that we hold accountable the people who are responsible for this bill. -- for the spill. [inaudible] i would not describe exactly is under investigation. it has been going on for some time. i do not want to specify at this point who would be targets or subjects of that investigation. we're not in a position yet where in our own minds we have come to conclusions as to who should be all tamale held liable. i do not want to cast aspersions unnecessarily. the investigation has been ongoing but we're not near the end of that investigation. we began some weeks ago. [inaudible] we certainly have these two deficience, lawyers working on that. we have investigation agencies from a variety of pla

it was the responsibility of mms. we were told they had it down. obviously, they did not.mms and the federal government for not doing what they were supposed to do -- protect the citizens of this great country. mike is in arkansas. welcome. >> that guy was off-base. i will take this one step further. after the first couple of weeks of this leak, somebody saw an opportunity to empoverish the whole southern part of the united states. that may sound paranoid, but the more i've thought about its, but the more i've seen no results and no action by our federal government, to me is because it has been done on purpose. who is going to end up paying for all this stuff? you are talking about billions of dollars. in the meantime, everybody in the south will become impoverished. we will be, and impoverished nation. look at these stimulus. is a step-by-step systematic taking of the money from the middle class. that is what i believe. for that guy to call in a, i do not know where he is coming from. >> he is not educated about the facts. if he knew about the people of louisiana and how

>> i can't speak to nlcs or mms.ut in this particular case, i don't see the national park service aligning themselves with the organization that produced the report. but, more so with the recommendations. i think the recommendations are the product of years of analysis of where the next century of the national park system should go. they're very consistent with the centennial report. >> so you don't think that arm's length requirement that was specifically recommended in lcs and million mms should apply in this situation? >> i think that's a different situation. >> doesn't apply? let me talk to you about a couple of things that are in here. you talked about the report says the annual operating deficit is 750 million. do you agree with with that assessment or do you support the current budget request? >> i support the administration's current budget. >> so do you have any problems with the documents saying it's 750 million operating deficit? >> there are great needs in the national park system for we have a large main

>> larry: mm-hmm. >> no. >> larry: why not? too controversy. >> because from my judgment from what i know, the supreme court's corrupt. >> larry: correct. >> corrupt. what's the aim of the supreme court? what's its purpose. >> larry: to analyze and determine the constitution. >> analyze the constitution and my attorney submitted it on the basis of the ninth amendment. they don't want to use that. never been used in 219 years. >> larry: give me the amendment. i used to know them all by heart. >> the bill of rights, anything that's enumerated can't be, shall we say, lessened or abridged by taking away any of the natural rights that people have, and therefore the natural rights -- >> larry: but it didn't define them, right? >> no, but just think of a natural right. wow you'd need an amendment to allow women to vote? they had the right to vote. >> larry: what were you thinking? >> the same thing with the 14th amendment. do you need an amendment to say the black people are the same as whites? that's what they did. the reason why the

i stronglily suspect that mms had long since been captured by the oil industry and had ceased to servelic interest. regulatory agencies even when functioning properly never have been america's sole line of defense against disasters. we also should make sure it is in a corporation's clear economic interests to adhere scrupulously to the law. meaningful, civil and cal fines and damages are one crucial tool for ensuring that a corporation takes proper precautions to avoid tragic errors. in contrast, a corporation that does not have to pay for its mistakes does not have to worry about making them. unfortunately many of our current laws whether by statute or court decision cap the liability of big oil corporations, both for worker injuries an deaths and for harms to the environment. rather than making responsible parties pay for harm done, they fois this burden on to the families of the lost and on to the american taxpayers. as a result, corporations lang proper market incentives to act responsibly. that must not continue. congress must act. these restrictions on liability are unfortunately

mm favorite cut about this institution is from chief justice hughes -- my favorite quote is from chiefjustice hughes, during the depth of the great depression. he said, the republic indoors and this is the symbol of its faith. if the court has helped preserve the nation, it is the separation of powers that has preserved the supreme court of the united states. make it always be so. thank you very much for your attention this evening. i hope to speak with yyu at the reception. [applause] >> thank you, professor perry, for what i consider to be a fascinating discussion. and i will publicly express my innocence, because until he began to speak, i had no idea that any justice of this united states supreme court had ever been involved in the political process for the appointment of another. of course, i am sure nobody else was doing this, but i was present court and trying to a mansion-- trying to imagine. i know it is not allowed. given the controversy that as -pevolved and the confirmation process, i am trying to imagine. -- any member of the court getting involved in that process. thank y

mm+>> a lot of it is in print, t not really in english.ything that is not printed tends to be at yale. that great collection includes copies that have now been lost. there are anecdotal materials. there are scraps that did not get into "democracy of america" because they may have seemed too storytelling, but they are very rich. they are among tocqueville's papers as rejected materials. >> maybe you can shed some light on this experience. i am not academic. when we set out to do our tocqueville thing in the late- 1990's, we went to the library at yale. one fellow refused to let us see the material. we're not academics. i suspect you had a different experience. i suspect he is not there. we were astounded. we wanted to do a whole series. we wanted to show the audience. they said no. i never met the man. he never came out. what was that about? >> it must be different now. there are a lot of independent scholars, who have no academic position, who write wonderful books. i know our librarian would welcome anybody who came. i do not know why tha

we should be doing this instead of mms, i don't necessarily agree with that. but the bottom line is this -- it didn't have to be as big as the it is. we didn't have to have all of these oily birds. >> larry: let me get a break and come back and talk about the aforementioned congressman from texas. don't go away. ♪ [ smack! ] [ smack! smack! smack! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium rich tums goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster. ♪ tum ta tum tum tums this site has a should i try priceline instead? >> no it's a sale. nothing beats a sale! wrong move! you. you can save up to half off that sale when you name your own price on priceline. but this one's a deal...trust me. it's only pretending to be a deal. here, bid $79. got it. wow! you win this time good twin! there's no disguising the real deal. i'm going to own my own restaurant. i want to be a volunteer firefighter. when i grow up, i want to write a novel. i want to go on a road trip. when i grow up, i'm going to go there. i'm going to work with k

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mms [unintelligible] how do you reconcile that? >> we will look at the lawsuits that have been filed and take what action is appropriate. i want to emphasize today that the focus of our efforts is on making sure that we act in a way that is consistent with the cleanup and we are responsible in doing what we can to make sure we hold accountable the people responsible for the oil spill. i don't want to describe who is exactly is under investigation at this point. . the investigation has been going for some time but i would not want to specify at this point who the subject of that investigation are. we are not in a position yet we're we have come to conclusions -- where we have come to conclusions as to was libel and i don't want to cast aspersions. the investigation has been on going but we are not near the end of that investigation. it began some weeks ago. >> [unintelligible] >> we have these two divisions, the civil division and the environmental division. we have investigative agents from a variety of agencies that work in the fe

. >> mm-hmm. >> of course, when i -- when i write briefs, i write -- or when i sign briefs, when i'm counsel of record on briefs, i'm taking the position of the united states, that i'm representing the position that i believe and that our office believes is most consistent with the long-term interests of the united states government. >> have you convinces yourself as well as representing the united states government it would be a disaster for the war effort if federal judges could intervene and require the release of people in detenti in afghanistan under military control? >> senator graham, i chose to put my name on that brief as i said which is a very, very rare thing in the appellate courts because i believed that there were very significant united %-ates -- >> well, let me read a quote. the federal crt should not become the vehicle by which the executive is forced to choose between two intolerable options, submitting to intrusivend harmful discovery or releasing a dangerous detainee. do you stand by that statement? >> senator graham, can i ask whether that statemt comes from that

guest: obviously, mms has done a terrible job. at this time i don't know how much we can expect the federal government to do. certainly, there is no expertise to stop this well from leaking. it will have to be bp. we would like to see -- it is hard to understand bp's response gutted by the coast guard and pushed by the federal government. it seems to be so strange, lacking. the oil is appearing close to here and we would like to see a whole fleet out there hitting the edges of it before it hits, but they keep telling us that there are skimmers out there. we do not see many. we are expecting to see an overwhelming response. we want to see bp i do like this is their own backyard and we're not sure that we are seeing that. host: yet we do see a new advertising campaign wiih the ceo tony nayward saying that they will get this right, essentially. do you dobp? guest: they clearly understand it is a mess. the problem is, going back to the story last week with the peacbp's plan -- they essentialy did not even think that the oil would give

senator burr did nothing to make the mms more efficient and promoted deep sea or oil drilling. mr. burr has done their bidding and accepted contributions from them. he is the senator from big oil. i would like to be the senator from north carolina. >> cal cunningham, your take on the opposition you have expressed to offshore drilling. >> offshore drilling and raises a question of what our energy future will look like. how do we balance our priorities? how we make sure we protect north carolina's unique nature? and we have a wonderful travel and tourism. our beaches are a splendid destination. that is important to the economy. as we think about protecting our environment, there is not enough oil or natural gas off the coast to be a meaningful part of an energy solution for america. it is why in this campaign i have talked about ending tax credits and tax favored status for big oil companies. it is why in this campaign we talked about over $400,000 senator burr has taken from big oil companies. even today, he is defending what has happened with bp. i want to use the power of the gove

mms was supposed to be in charge of vetting that thing and making sure it was ready.alize they messed up, and they look worse and worse. i do not think they are purposely trying to do a bad job. they were not prepared to do the job they needed to do. host: the president is traveling to the gulf coast to marlowe, his first over nine visits since april 20, -- tomorrow, his first overnight visit since april 20. as a result of these next three days, you think anything will change? guest: know, i do not know. if this were a matter of someone in the white house saying, you have got to do this, and that will solve the problem, yes. at this point, i assume bp is doing everything technologically they can. there have been suggestions they put up a certain amount of money, from $1 billion to $10 billion in escrow and give it to the state and let them control it, and i think if i would tell mr. obama to do a thing, it would be that, to tell bp to hand over the money to these local governments can make the decisions they need to. other than that, i do not think there is a magic bu

it was the federal government's job through the mms to make sure that there was a safe way to drill for in deep water. we were told that we had it down. obviously we did not. it is not on louisiana. it is on bp, that is on the other oil companies, and more importantly, it is on the mms and the federal governme for not doing what they were supposed to do -- protect the citizens of this great country. mike is in arkansas. >> i am a first-time caller. you hit it rit on the head. that i was off base. i will take this step further. after the first couple of weeks , someone saw an opportunity to impoverished the whole southern part of the united states. that might sound like a paranoid statement, but the more i have thought of it, i see no results and no action by our government. this almost seems like it is done on purpose. and bp stock has gone down 17%. who is going the end up paying for this? you're talking billions and billions of dollars. and everyone from louisiana to florida will become impoverished. it is almost like its a st- by-step systematic taking of the money of the middle clas

mm. schwartz, given the current structure that we have for these contracts, is it possible for the department of defense to manage or sspervise these contracts the way that the law requires them to do? >> thank you for that question. a lot of people have actually done a lot of ggod in depthh analysis including the government accountability peneeals as weel as the commissioner on work contracting. and while they have all 3 progress, they have also generally expressed there is a lot to be done. a number of them have come up with specific options and recommendattons that they believe can definitely have an impact. and a lot of them are out there. i'll just mention a ccuple that have been thrown out by various one is as a result of -- the event with blackwater about three years ago in iraq, the kennedy commission, which was published by the state departmmnt,,required -- based on recommendation out of the kennedy report is to have a go over with every convoy from the state department. some rec

mm. carter: reclaiming my time, the administration proposes a $1 billion cut in nasa's man program and at the same time %% they're pushing $115 billion in new spending for obamacarr and pp$-- and after $700 billion in% stimulus spending. which we're still looking for the stimulus. the taxpayers have already invested $9 billion in the constellation program which was supposed to be the next step in the space program. it will cost $2.5 billion to shut down the constellation program. so we're talking about $11.5 billion is going to be spent just to trash the program when we've already -- that we've already spent $9 billion on. and, you know, space has always been a very glorjouse position for us to take. we rose -- glorious position for to us take. we rose above the international bickering, we shared the space stationnwith other nations, recently, within the last couple of years, the japanese on one of our shuttles took a major pod containment system up there and they got a piece of it, the r

host: what about oversight from mms, other federal regulators? guest: there is plenty to go around. like i said, there has been a slow motion decline of oversight from all companies. let's face it, big oil has expended a lot of money here in washington lobbying, political contributions, convincing folks that this is a safe proposition. even off the coast of mexico, that was a disaster. we should have learned something. talking about the mineral management service, they were literally sleeping with the industry. lately, thh secretary of the interior showed a report, the one that had direct oversight for oil companies in the gulf of mexico, they were going on trips together, went to football games. it is a terrible revolving door. in is not right to have an agency who has oversight, as well as having the direction to collect money from these oil companies. that is part of the reason we have this disaster. host: donald, democratic line. minnesota. caller: why isn't halliburton and being involved? they built a shot off the owl that did not work. guest: i think that they will be. -- shut

parties, but it also includes representatives from the epa, the department of interior, m.s., and -- mms, and it depends on the incident command unified structure. >> [unintelligible] >> the responsible party, in this case bp, is financing this effort. >> everything that is happening in this building is financed by vp? by bp? >> yes. we have 1000 people with a day shift working from 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. and a night shift. the day shift is made up of significantly larger numbers. the night shift is when the planning and the detailed objectives are developed to enable the day shift to hit the ground running. >> what happens at those meetings? >> each morning and at night time, we actually gather as many people who can spare a few moments together to come in and, number one, remind ourselves of the mission. and that message, we break it down into four simple tasks. first and foremost is to keep our people safe. everything we do needs to be looked at through the lens of whato keep people safe in we ask them to do. second, the source, how can we remove the oil. thirdly, what can we do as it

have to [unintelligible] we have to reform leasing and i commend the administration in breaking up mms so that we can go forward in a way that is a good match for the challenge that we have, whether it is how leases are granted, the premises -- appropriateness of royalties. additional research is needed to get the technology to extract and where we want to go. i [unintelligible] relating to public efforts in this regard. it is about leasing, liability, worker protection, it is about going forward in a way that holds the perpetrator accountable. accountable to the u.s. taxpayer. we will hold bp accountable to the u.s. taxpayer and the businesses in the region, whether they are fishermen or have tourism as their trade, or whatever it is. the quality of life in the region has been drastically affected. before british petroleum continues to spend money on its public relations campaign and gives dividends, it should honor the commitment it has to these small businesses. they can wait it out with bp which they can ill afford to do, take out loans, which they can ill afford to do, and we insi

do we need more inspectors at mms, do we need more inspectors at the faa? absolutely.e have to find a way to deal with a collar's concerns. we have to put pressure on the middle and upper levels by forcing agencies to defend those jobs as they are being exited. we tend to view the retirement of baby boomers as a great crisis. it is actually a great opportunity. if people like me leave our job, we have an opportunity to say, do we still need that john, do they still want that job? it is an opportunity for us to do some hard thinking about the dynamics that the caller is addressing. host: natural. iraq on the democratic line -- national, tennessee. wreck on the democratic line democraticnashville, tennessee. rick on the democratic line. caller: there was an author who noted that significant events like the revolutionary war, world war ii, occur about every 80 years, and caused a major shift in society because of it. that book was written in 1986. unfortunately, he did not live long enough to see what happened in 2008. and i believe it validates his theory that about ever

2006, i was reported that the white house, treasury department, and treasury reserve lined up behind mm. shelby and senate republicans, but he was never able to bring this bill to the floor because of opposition by democrats. i carry the opposition on the house side. -- i carried the opposition on the house side. i want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation toward subsidizing housing. i want to go to something that president clinton said. in 2008, he said, " i think the responsibility that the democrats have may rest moret in resisting any efforts by republicans in the -- may wrest more in resisting any efforts by republicann in congress. our housing market, our housing sector, and the broader economy are dealing with the consequences of that very systemic shock that the fed warned us about. were there other problems? yes. but this was the shock that they anticipated, warned about, and we did not take action against no regulatory reform never will be complete or effective without addressing the two institutions most responsible for the collapse of the housing market. desp

there are legal implications with the contact at mms, and we will identify the names on the lease. that will help us make some determinations about responsible parties. it is very pulmonary to say anything at this point. >> any preliminary conclusions? >> no, i do not. it is my understanding that anadarko and the other our partners but i cannot say more at this point. >> when you do, and i hope you will provide the committee with that. >> we definitely are working on that and we will do that. >> we're talking about the extent of the costs here which as we all know are unprecedented. i think that should be sorted out fairly quickly so that we can expedite the claims for all the reasons that i do not have to explain. i thank you very much. i thank you, mr. chairman. >> you bet. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i do not want to go back to this but whose responsibility is it to determine liability? is not jail or the coast guard? >> my staff will -- >> determine which liability apply to which company? who determines the percentage? >> we bill them all for all costs. >> but it bp says forget

because of the incestuous relationship between mms and they will companies and lobbyists role they state country, the people of the analis of america were not told the truth there were not told about the ability to drill safely and deep water. bottom line is at this point, the federal government needs to take control of this response. they should have from day one. we should have learned a lesson from katrina a 9/11. this is an assault on our people and way of life. when you start talking about what louisiana meese to this country, we are, in many cases, tied into the oil companies and exploration. we want to do it safely. we went to protect our way of life and death to savannah, georgia. welcome. >> are you getting any feedback? i had a question. you were talking about the 9500. according to the coast guard, i read an article where one of their notices where they wer spraying to different was. the bad one was allowed to be sprayed. when i went on the website, i am retired so i have nothing else do, i found out that is a bad boy. the stuff being sprayed. course i was not aware of that pr

host: mm-hmm. caller: so it's just a matter of hatred under man they wouldn't make up their mind or do anything for him or go along with anything but they will take credit for their stimulus when you're in their district. anyway, thank you. caller: thank you. some other front page stories i should point out from washington, d.c. it will never be the same. that is alaska's message to the gulf coast. and a story front page of the sunday free necessary detroit, a public duty, a life lived in private. it's a look at congress john conyers and his wife who he has not yet spoken publicly about her condition. she is a former chicago county critical woman and the front page of the "chicago tribune." next is tom from centerville, mastercard, the question we're -- from centerville, mass. the question we have -- good morning. caller: never have i ever seen the people, the congress, the press, the media so divided across this country. everything seems to be either one side or the other. there is no harmony. the

guest: mm-hmm. host: what other kinds of grants do you provide? guest: we have grants for prosecutors, law enforcement, we have transitional housing, and victims in rural jurisdictions are in a a more unique and potentially more dangerous situation. i remember one time being in wyoming, and it has the largest geographic county in the country. we have a few law enforcement officers who need to cover the territory and provide resources and safety and is very hard for rural setting, to provide for safety needs that they may have. we do programs to deal with teen awareness we have our range of other programs that deal with a host of issues. it is just a very wide scope of programs. when programs now to address culturally and -- we have programs now to address is culturally and linguistically specific situations. we have programs for troubled collisions. it was not until recently upset -- for tribal coalitions. it was not until recently that we recognize that we have responsibilities that were un fulfilled. this administration and attorney-general are

mms, ims, fda, on and on.s americans we are living in a country where we assume that the alphabet soup of agencies are protecting us. that when you have a situation where an attorney has to go down three floors to use the xerox machine, or a situation in the department of defense where we do not have enough people auditing the and we are losing $4 million in gas on cap cards because we were not watching how the money was being spent, we have gone to the point of being ineffective through lack of funding. which is my concern. guest: you make a lot of good points. i would prefer a federal government that focuses on doing a few things well as opposed to a lot of things inefficient or mediocre. truly, i think that we have to look at the output of government and traditionally liberals have measured our commitment to something like education or health care by how much money be put into the system and not necessarily test scores and what is coming out of the education system. wellness and well-being coming out of hea

host: mm-hmm. caller: and i spend my money on paper every month. and when that smun gone, i quit spending. in plain, simple terms, why does the got to the create all this money that i can't even fathom trillions and trillions. host: sorry, betty, i thought you were done. well put. i couldn't say it better. guest: americans across the country are struggling to pay their bills. one of the things that has happened. we all know one of the reasons we got in this resession, we were spending too much money. you and i and businesses around of course, government were spending too much money and we had to reign in that money. but the good news is households are beginning to pay down their debts. businesses are starting to save more. there's only one institution that's not saving. that's the government. while we're saving, the government is mass ily borrowing. . . who does not belong to an association, who is just really concerned about these issues, how does the average person -- and the people calling in -- what organization, what can be done when you are s