he has complained about mo brooks' performance, feels brooks is not spending enough money, not provedoped and talking positively about katie brit. he has been saying her fund-raising has been impressive, telling allies she was very poised in that conversation. so all of these things have led mo brooks to shake up his campaign. he got rid of two consultants who have been with him since the beginning of the entry into the race and has added four new staffers, including some who are alums of his 2017 campaign. . >> and i think the added dynamic that makes this so interesting, for those who don't remember, mo brooks was there january 6th. he spoke at the rally on the ellipse earlier that day. and former president trump has gone after katie brit. he called her the assistant, i believe, to senator shelby in that one statement. gabby orr, thanks so much for the reporting this morning. >> reporter: thank you. >>> joining us is s.e.c. upp and mara sciavacampo. what more could he do for donald trump? >> i'm sure for trump this is a little personal. but i'm pleasantly surprised by this reporting

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but we know that mo brooks was involved. he spoke on the ellipse on the morning of january 6th. one of the things that's really important for us to do is remember that all of these things were overlapping. that there were three events that were planned for thim that time period. and this event planned at the capitol. and at some point in the days prior to january 6th, all of those things were folded into one. ali alexander was kicked to speaking on the evening of january 6th. at one point, the official website for the ellipse rally mentioned they were going to have a rally at the capitol at 1:00 p.m. and on msnbc, dustin stockton was talking to chris hayes and said the point at which he had been an organizer of the ellipse rally soured on donald trump, suggesting that there had been eternal dissent and that trump had cast his dye in favor of the latter. i think that's a really, really important development, as we move forward. understanding how what was going on at the elips would not have been tied to what was happening at the capitol with obviously disastrous results. >> and t

the former president endorsed mo brooks. can mo brooks win statewide in alabama? yeah. john: but, can attend ball and in north carolina? -- ted bond win in north carolina? karen: there was some situational stuff in north carolina. including, a nominee who had some unfortunate -- john: it is the most entertaining season of 2022. it will not be baseball, football, or basketball. it will be the republican primaries. in 2010 we got sharon ingle against harry reid and harry reid should have lost and we won. we got christine o'donnell in delaware. karen: not a witch. john: right. murdoch in indiana. tony: but they won the house and took over as governor. john: the point is you should have taken it over that here and they didn't. candidates do matter. the fact is, the democrats are probably going to have compressor -- competitive races they should not have because of that. i want to go to your original question about virginia. i think there should be lessons learned. the fact is that in 2017 we had a historic off year election turnout everywhere. it did not matter if you are t

january 6th, and he said he had texts and phone calls with republican lawmakers on january 6th, and mo brookseceived a text message from an unknown number and calling this committee a witch hunt because they are revealing certain facts and not others. mark meadows when he was cooperating briefly, thompson told reporters this week the committee is looking seriously into subpoenaing the members of congress for something like this. republicans are already promising retaliation if they take back the house next year. >> thank you so much for that reporting. as the investigating committee tries to determine what happened during this year's insurrection, three retired u.s. generals are warning about the possibility of another one. they say the military must prepare now for the possibility of a 2024 insurrection. how concerned are they? they are, quote, chilled to their bones at the thought of a coup succeeding next time. we are fortunate to be joined now by one of those generals this morning, retired major general paul eaton. thank you for being with us. >> good morning and thank you for having me.

jim jordan, andy biggs, paul gosar, louie gohmert, mo brooks, scott perry.y were actively involved. "the new york times" describes it this way. this circle moved well beyond words and into action. they bombarded the justice department with dubious claims of voting irregularities. they pressured members of state legislatures to conduct audits that would cast doubt on the election process. they plotted to disrupt the certification on january 6 of joseph r. biden's victory. and as we just heard from professor tribe, that plot was a criminal plot. >> well, i think we saw over time that the former president was very impressed with strong men like duterte and putin and xi jinping and kim jong-un. these were the people that he looked to and lauded, really, and spoke in very complimentary terms about while turning his back on our traditional allies that supported democracy with us. so should come as no surprise really he was emulating them. and we saw even his own legal team put together a 36-slide power point on how to keep him in power and what people could do and

the sort of nutshell version of this is you have mo brooks, one of the biggest voices on january 6th to fight like hell in the capitol who is in the house, running for the senate and has trump's endorsement running against somebody who is a former aide to senator shelby who is retiring who is the mitch mcconnell-preferred candidate, to be blunt about it, much more traditional and mainstream conservative. either will win the seat in the general election, but it's this kind of race, phil, that will shape what kind of senate they become and the gop becomes in the years ahead. more of a donald trump party or more of a traditionalist mitch mcconnell and dick shelby party. >> and you talk about where trump has influence on primeries. you're looking at georgia and donald trump made that republican candidate. it's herschel walker, by all accounts running against raphael warnock. warnock won his senate runoff on january 5th and president biden flipped georgia for the first time since 1992 if i remember correctly. what are you looking at in this race right now? >> well, i think georgia once ag

subversion by a half dozen republican lawmakers: jim jordan, scott perry, paul gosar louis gohmert, mo brooks, and andy biggs. also known as "steal team dicks." ( cheers and applause ) after the election, the dicks developed a blueprint for the former president's supporters in congress: to hammer home the idea that the election was tainted. then, they went on cable television, radio shows, and rallies to promote the idea started drumming up support to derail the transfer of power, and finally plotted to disrupt the certification on january 6th of joe biden's victory. then, on january 6th, all six lawmakers were inside the capitol, ready to protest the certification, but right before they could, security forces entered the chamber because rioters were in the building. so they were ready to reject the delegates, seize the ballots, and overturn the election but they were interrupted by the out-of control mob that their lies created. reminds me of the words of founding father benjamin frankenstein: ( as dr. frankenstein ) "no, no, i'm hearing reports it was 'antifa' who destroyed your village!" (

mo brooks spoke to that rally and said, we're going to go up there and fight like hell. so, you know, that's what we're dealing with. >> yep. that is what we're dealing with. i just need to let viewers know the select committee has voted to approve a criminal contempt of congress referral for mark meadows. we'll be watching paula and others who will be reporting on that as this transpires. thank you very much. >>> i want to bring in now cnn senior legal analyst elie honig and former fbi agent asha ran rangappa, now a legal and national security analyst. elie, i'm going to start with you because these texts are extraordinary. the select committee laying out why meadows should be complying with the subpoena. but, you know, will the justice department actually prosecute mark meadows for contempt of congress? >> it's a big question, but first of all, this is just a wow moment. we have to step back. i mean this morning we got these texts about how the national guard's going to stand by to protect pro-trump people, and that's already sort of yesterday's news because we just go

even at the cost of that kind of insurrection and remember, we had sitting members of congress, mo brooks spoeke to that and sad we'll go and fight like hell. that's what we're dealing with. >> that's what we're dealing with. i need to let the viewers now, the select committee voted to hold mark meadows in contempt of congress. i want to bring in cnn senior analyst a legal and national security analyst. good to see both of you. thanks very much. ellie, i'll start with you because these texts are extraordinary why meadows should be compiling with the subpoena. will the justice department actually prosecute mark meadows for a contempt of congress? >> big question. this is a wow moment. >> right? >> we have to step back. this morning, we got these texts about how the national guard will stand by to protect protrump people and that's already yesterday's news. >> we knew this. this is the proof they knew and that they're lying about it exactly. it shows that when we say they knew, everythbody around the situation, people trying to down play january 6th on the day of. they're sending texts and

he also testified about conversations that he had with representative mo brooks staff.he very people who have been subpoenaed as they try to sift through this communication and come to conclusions how this happened. >> thank you so much for break it down for us. as the january 6th committee continues to investigate the capitol riot, the scope of the probe continues to expand. my next guest monitors extreme elements of the republican party. a party he once was a part of and warns some fringe groups who took part in the capitol siege continue to plot and organize ways of over taking the gop. ron phillip is a former state and federal prosecutor. he's long time republican who wrote a piece for the washington post. he says i monitor trump's die hard base. they are still plotting out in the open. ron, good to see you. that definitely is a stark warning. please elaborate on what you mean by that. what are these extreme groups plotting next? >> what we saw really was in march and april of this year. a lot of the organizers, including mr. alexander and planners of january 6th so

those lawmakers -- jim jordan, andy biggs, paul gosar, louies gohmert, mo brooks, and scott perry. some of the most vocal advocates for the big lie, but thanks to the "times" reporting, we know extent of their behind-the-scenes efforts to undermine democracy, as well. here's more from the reporting, quote, the circle moved well beyond words and into action. they bombarded the justice department with dubious claims of voting irregularities. they pressured members of state legislatures to conduct audits that would cast doubt on the election results. they plotted to disrupt the certification on january 6th of joseph biden's victory. there's clear evidence in the hand of congressional investigators about how much trump himself relied on them and their efforts as part of his scheme. earlier this year, we learned that top doj official richard donahue had turned over notes to congress that depicted trump pressuring doj officials by saying this, quote, just say that the election was corrupt, and leave the rest to me and the r congressmen, he said, according to donahue's notes. today's bomb

he says he exchanged a text message with mo brooks. in the filing it says who he believed.r understanding of the kinds of information that the house select committee is questioning these witnesses about, ali alexander sitting for this deposition. but he is trying to get his phone records directly from his telecommunications provider. we're seeing some of the witnesses provide a wealth of information and try to silo other efforts to get a wealth of information. this story continues with more and more documents emerging all the time. >> whitney wild, i appreciate your reporting. a lot to get through. thank you so much. >>> with me now to talk more about this, is michael d'antonio. he's a cnn contributor and a donald trump biographer who has written several books on the former president including the book "the truth about trump". you know the former president quite well, how he functions. regarding this development that former trump cabinet member rick perry may have sent a text to mark meadows just after the polls closed, in your mind, do you believe that trump was aware of t

the leaders of the proud boys, the oath keepers, and the people in congress like josh hawley, and mo brooksl those who fanned the flames of insurrection, then acted surprised when people stormed the capitol. we need accountability. and we also need to educate. a lot of our people in the military just don't understand civics 101 like they need to, they don't understand how the government is suppose to work. they need to have allegiance to the constitution, and not a person or party. and we need to figure out who is in the ranks, who are our future insurrectionists, and root them out and get them out of the service. and we need to conduct strategic planning and war gaming. we need to imagine the unimaginable. a year ago, who would have thought that thousands of people would storm the capitol like they did? we need to think about these kinds of potentialities. physical threats, cyber threats. we need to plan for 2024 now. i can assure you, the bad guys are thinking about ways they failed to pull off what they wanted to do in 2020. how can they do better in 2024? so we need to take action now.

few phone conversations with arizona republican paul gosar, texts exchanged with the congressman mo brooks alexander. gosar has appeared at events with him but has not elaborated on the nature of their relationship. joining our conversation "the washington post" congressional correspondent and author of "the essential" early 202 newsletter. the essential is my editorializing not the name of the newsletter. katty kay is still with us. the lawmakers are denying knowing ali alexander. they sound like donald trump whenever he would talk about someone he had fired. never met the guy hardly knew him never talked to him. they are all saying that. but alexander was under oath. who are we supposed to believe here? >> yeah. look, ali alexander has already provided deposition testimony to the committee investigating the january 6th insurrection and has been fairly cooperative. now the committee needs to get the other side of this equation. lawmakers from the very start, the inception of this committee have been very evasive and this has been a key question for the committee how they were going to han

the steal organizer ali alexander told the committee that he spoke with paul gosar, potentially mo brooksome of these people? does the fact that they're members of congress give them some legal protection in some way from being subpoenaed? >> it would often give them a kind of diplomatic protection. and it feels like a third rail, katie. but i think they're going to step on it, and soon. we now have evidence tying them to the ali alexanders of the world but also to mark meadows and even through them to donald trump. and i thought it was a dramatic game changer this week when liz cheney came out and gave us chapter and verse about them and as much as telegraphed, in fact even more so today on the shows, they're going after them. and, you know, that's going to be quite a brouhaha. talk about a hornet's nest in congress. but i think they are poised to do it. and pretty darned soon. >> joyce, i would like you to listen to some comments from january 6th committee chair liz cheney this week regarding donald trump. >> mr. meadows' testimony will bear on another key question before this committee

we also have, you know, mo brooks spoke at the rally and himself invited violence and then lauren boebert who is tweeting out the location as we're being asked not to do that. there is a lot of witnesses. you have nothing to hide, please turnover what you have. they have the ability to subpoena witnesses and i hope they treat these republican colleagues no different than they would treat anyone else. show them no favor but don't be harder on them. let make sure the rule of law and law and order prevails. >> explain the committee's approach to this. they know what we all know that it is highly likely that jim jordan will defy the subpoena, he'll try to drag this out for as long as possible, a year or more in court but that doesn't mean if you were on the committee, it doesn't mean you sit there and say well, let's not bother with him because he's not going to cooperate. you still have that obligation to have in the record that you at least tried to secure that testimony. >> they don't want to leave anything on the field here, lawrence, to use a sports analogy. i recognize we're going into

they include jim jordan, andy biggs, paul gosar, louie gohmert, mo brooks and scott perry. what kind of legal exposure could they have if any? >> so the legal exposure is all involved in the investigation. we could look at the sort of tip of the iceberg effect. but what doj has to do if doj is in fact engaging in criminal investigation, is they need to learn more. they need to learn the entirety of the conduct to determine whether it's criminal or not and to determine if it's criminal where it falls within the parameters of crime, something that barb and i have spent a lot of time talking about is whether or not there's the possibility of prosecution of some group of individuals for a conspiracy to disrupt the functioning of government. that would be akin to the kind of conspiracy that robert mueller charged against russian trolls and internet folks in the course of the mueller investigation. that same sort of disruption of government function would be sort of the nexus of the investigation here. of course, there's no telling how far it could go. >> you know, barbara, in a

alexander told the committee that he spoke with several lawmakers before the riot, including paul go go, mo brookssure from that trio there? >> of course we can expect the committee -- all of them. the committee is going to be going through, and i agree we're only at the very beginning. i believe at the end of this road there will be a subpoena for trump, but any defense attorney and of course the great glenn kirschner is right on, no one would let him testify in a million years. if there is an all-star person to subpoena, of course it's donald trump. it's any of those three, but the committee has only just begin its work, and frankly i think there's a lot more yet to be done. >> danny, on a separate legal note, "the washington post" reported this week that the rnc agreed to pay some of the trump's legal bills in his criminal investigation in new york. the rnc defended its position saying, quote, as a leader of our party, defending president trump and his record of achievement is critical to the gop. it is entirely appropriate for the rnc to continue to assist in fighting back against the democrat

phone conversations with arizona congressman paul gosar and a text exchange with alabama congressman mo brooks. here is broomts moment before the capitol riot. adam kinzinger is also going there bluntly saying they are looking into possible crimes and trump himself is being investigated. >> do you believe that donald trump committed a crime? >> by the end of our investigation and by the time our report is out, i have a pretty good idea we'll be able to have out in the public record anything the justice department needs maybe in pursuit of that nobody is above the law. last week republican liz cheney also saying they are looking at possible crimes. trump seems to be getting defensive, downplaying the insurrection at a texas event last night saying what happened on january 6th was a protest. this wasn't an insurrection. trump ally steve bannon currently facing criminal and possible jail time for stone walling the probe continues to spew election lies this time talking to us directly here at msnbc. >> msnbc producers should understand all day long we are going to get a decertify in arizona, in ge

understand the reasons for it but right now we're in a media world where jokers like steve bannon and mo brooksphones. you hear from you and me but not from the attorney general of the united states. >> right. the wheels of justice may be turning but we might want to hear machinery or some people might want to hear the machinery. good to see you. you make things so much clearer for us. the former donald trump of justice veteran and acting solicitor general. >>> coming up, what we know about tonight's democratic huddle to build back better when "the 11th hour" continues. "the 11th hour" continues. and lately i've seen this change in her. once-weekly trulicity is proven to help lower a1c. it lowers blood sugar from the first dose. and you could lose up to ten pounds. trulicity is for type 2 diabetes. it isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. it's not approved for use in children. don't take trulicity if you're allergic to it, you or your family have medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2. stop trulicity and call your doctor right away if you have an allergi

movie told investigators that he had, quote, a few conversations with representatives paul gosar, mo brookso the january 6th. the revelations arriving just days after the select committee publicized texts between mark meadows and republican lawmakers, like jim jordan who urged the former-vice president to, quote, call out all the electoral votes he believes are unconstitutional in accordance with guidance from alexander hamilton. underscoring the committee's commitment to uncover the role of republican lawmakers possible role in this insurrection. a point adam kinzinger emphasized earlier today. >> do you think that some of your republican colleagues bear direct responsibility for that riot? >> it's possible. we are going to pursue doggedly everything to the ends of the earth and i that includes and we don't like necessarily having to go here but that includes members of congress. >> let's talk about this and specifically the legal implications. harry litman, once again. harry, thanks for stick shticking with us. we appreciate it. so, ali alexander saying in a since-deleted video that he wo

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. >> i was the person who came up with the january 6th idea with congressman gosar, congressman mo brooksandy biggs. we four schemed up putting maximum pressure on congress while they were voting so that who we couldn't lobby, we could change the hearts and the minds of republicans who were in that body, hearing our loud roar from outside. >> slight correction. that's not today. that was much earlier as he described his own role in it and, by his words, what he thought the point of the enterprise was. what is your assessment of the level of his cooperation? >> well, i think i need to reserve judgment on that, but i think the deposition that we had today, which i participated in, will be very useful for the committee and for our fact-finding process. that doesn't mean we're going to uncritically accept everything or anything that a particular witness has to say. but often witnesses lead to very valuable evidence, sometimes when they intend to and sometimes when they don't. so i found today -- and we had four witnesses before the committee today -- to be a very important date in terms of ou

mo brooks spoke at it. we saw john eastman spoke. the president of the united states spoke there. the trump crew like in the tent, right? they were involved in that ellipse rally. they were some of the chief organizers of that, right? >> so you made such an important point earlier in the broadcast, which is that so much of this played out right in front of our eyes. there were members of congress speaking on stage at that ellipse rally. there were even members of congress speaking or scheduled to speak at the more rogue wild protest which was the name of the event that took place right on the side of the capitol. so we know there was this involvement. but you know, what dustin and jen have told me and the documents that they're providing to the committee shed a little more light on what exactly that involvement may have looked like. >> so let's talk about the allegation against gosar here. they say that they spoke to paul gosar at some point, that he dangled a presidential pardon, which by the way it was due to the fact of their involvement with we build the wall, the organization

what this filing shows is that he passed along communications that he says are from representative mo brooks also says that he testified in front of house select committee investigators last week for several hours in which he discussed phone communications he had with another member of congress, specifically paul gosar. further, pamly, said he had a conversation with kimberly guilfoyle. this shows that the house select committee members have a wealth of information they're getting directly from the source, directly from the people who they subpoenaed who they think were at the central effort of the rallies that eventually preceded the violence at the capitol. further, pamela, it is refocusing their effort on what the members of congress know and what their efforts were leading up to the riot as well. so as we see this investigation unfold, you know, they have again this wealth of information provided directly from the source which may refocus investigators on people within that building, pamela. >> cnn has exclusive reporting that reveals new information about a text message sent to then-whi

rally that later descended into the capitol attack, while brian jack spoke with notably someone like mo brookstion in the rally. >> okay. and how do we know this? you just offered specifics that i would think would be among those from the national archives that the committee's trying to get their hands on because they involve donald trump certainly with regard to max miller on the 4th of january. so how do we know this, and do we expect either of these two to plead the 5th or to cooperate? >> so bennie thompson, the chairman of the select committee raised these instances of max miller and brian jack interacting with members of congress and trump in their system letters. it's not entirely clear how the committee got their information. you have to remember they've been specking to hundreds of witnesses. they've got thousands of documents from mark meadows. their making incremental progress, and they do have trove of documents now from other witnesses, testimony from other witnesses, so the way i understand and the way it's been described to me is pulling these strings from all directions, and it

people like jim jordan, paul gosar, mo brooks and louie gohmert, meadows was a former chair. "the new york times" reveals they collaborated with the trump campaign on a strategy that would become a blueprint for trump supporters in congress. hammer home the idea that the election was tainted, announce legal actions being taken by the campaign and bolster the case with allegations of fraud. but they also took real steps to actually overthrow the election. they bombarded the justice department with dubious claims of voting irregularities. they pressured members of state legislatures to commit audits. they were actively trying to subvert democracy. and they're the same people who could head up crucial committees if republicans take back the house next year. joining me now is kirk bardella, adviser to the dnc and the dccc. and kirk entrepreneur lit, "new york times" best-selling author of "the gatekeepers: how the white house chief of staff define every presidency." there are a couple of different kinds of chiefs of staff. there are the ones who tell the president things they don

mo brooks speaks -- >> that would be. >> that would be, mo brooks and rudy giuliani calling for trialain. and donald trump accept the outcome. >> you know the midterms are losing and your colleagues are thinking you're going to take over the congress, what do you think about coming out of the new year, will the committee pick up the pace and grab our attention even more in june or july or something? >> right, i think right now it's a submarine effort. below the surface they're collecting documents, interviewing witnesses and they will curate the ones who best tell the stories so the country knows just exactly who's responsible and what we have to do to make sure it doesn't happen again. that will happen after the new year. i think you will find, this is a party, republican party, led by donald trump that has become more comfortable with violence than voting when it relates to the election. >> i want to go back, congressman, to a point you made that i think is important about january 2025 because we all know because it's happening in broad daylight the people being put in place or the

whether it might be something as someone like a mo brooks house member who's running for a senate seate of the authors of one of these text messages that we could find out. maybe getting someone like him off mcconnell's plate would be good news for him. but i think big picture, mcconnell wants a republican party that looks forward past trump. he's not well positioned to get it and he's not willing to stick his neck out very far to achieve it. but i think you saw a little glimpse of that in that very short answer. >> steve, i think liz cheney will reveal not just everyone that was involved in the conspiracy to overthrow the counting of the electoral votes for joe biden, she will reveal the cowardess of men like mcconnell. what separates cheney and mcconnell isn't their world view. it isn't even a view of donald trump or a certainty he incited the insurrection. it's fear. >> we have this terrible moment of politics where there is no principle that you can find out there. we see all of these people, the josh hollys, the ted cruzes. the people that have to this moment. who have lied thousa