now a lot of people did a lot of work on this, and eventually it was mo mowlam as much as anybody elseged to bring those groups together and she used a lot of connections in order to bring those people together and i think we should recognise that as... we certainly recognise mo mowlam, it's your role i'm trying to find out, because the former ira terrorist leader, shaun o'callaghan, he says quote: "you played no part, ever, at any time in promoting peace in northern ireland." he said the peace you sought was a victory for the ira. well, i've never had a discussion with shaun o'callaghan. i've no idea why he will say that. as far as i'm concerned, the whole process had to be that there wasn't going to be a military solution in northern ireland. the prevention of terrorism act that affected a lot of my constituents was something that was actually criminalising young irish people mainly in britain but also in northern ireland and that there had to be a dialogue. now that dialogue did come about. we had the first ceasefire, eventually... but you don't play in role in that? my role was sup

people like mo mowlam argued with murderers without bodyguards. party is led by a man who evades answers when asked directly to criticise terrorism and terrorists. these were people who, when he was supporting them, they we re when he was supporting them, they were murdering people live in the streets of the city he represented. and for you, there's nothing in the fa ct and for you, there's nothing in the fact that it be standing on a platform with them, he is trying to engage with them? absolutely not, he believed in ira victory, he believes they can impose a military solution, drive the brits out, drive the brits out of northern ireland. you wonder for how many people this... although we all lived through it, and it is difficult for young people who do not member living through the troubles, as we always call them, how divisive, of course, it was. but it is, thankfully, quite some time ago, things have moved on. i'm sure people will say it is not perfect, maybe never will be, but how much of an election issue will this be? it is difficult to tel