a libya without moammar qaddafi. qaddafi had been one of the world's worst sponsors of terrorism. families of the 189 americans murdered on pan-am flight 103 in 1988 knew that well. >> that's true, though, that after the 2003 invasion of iraq he even ended his nuclear program. >> i for one stood by it and was deeply suspicious that moammar qaddafi may be playing us. >> frank gaffney is president of the center for security policy. >> moammar qaddafi as transformation from rouge eccentric in the bizarre terrorist sponsor into one of america's most reliable allies is i think going to be seen by historians as one of the more bizarre twists of american diplomatic history. >> whatever the case by last year kwad aqaddafi game yet ano oppressive leader caught by surprise in the spring of 2010. by the end of march 2011 world leaders are calling for him to go. >> moammar qaddafi must leaf. >> president obama adds more than his voice. he orders the pentagon to provide air support. one anonymous obama staffer describes the strategy as leaveing from behind a characterization the obama administ

allies-- hosni mubarak and moammar qaddafi. knowing the replacements would be muslim brotherhood and other islamists. >> well, it's a new-- if they knew that i am angrier than i am now. >> stephen: oh my-- oh, my god! sean hannity is capable of being angrier at any given moment than he actually is at that moment! (laughter) he has torn a rift in the space-anger continuum! (laughter) folks, obama's complete lack of loyalty to our murderous dictator allies doesn't just enrage me-- and the loud hole at the top of sean hannity's neck-- it also is raising a red flag for texas congressman and forehead american louie gohmert. jim? >> thank you, president barack hussein obama. he has helped jump start a new ottoman empire. you look across tunisia, libya, egypt and iraq and iran and syria, lebanon, you look and you go, oh, my gosh, this is the makings, this is the beginnings of massive beginnings of a new ottoman empire that president obama can take great credit for. >> stephen: you heard him right. the ottoman empire. it ruled the midd

. >>> and we have unconfirmed reports this morning that the son of moammar qaddafi has been killed. the deputy prime minister of libya says the man was killed when fighting and was told by official sources but it was not confirmed. now, thousands of people in tripoli celebrated in the streets when they heard the news of the man's death. >>> people in wisconsin are in mourning after a deadly mass shooting at a mall there. police say 45-year-old radcliffe haughton opened fire at a day spa at a milwaukee suburb of brookfield yesterday. three killed, four wounded. the gunman ran from the area. brookfield's police chief says the search for haughton ended a short time later. >> the one suspect we believe is responsible for the shootings is deceased. we believe it to be self- inflicted gunshot wound. we are not, and i repeat, are not seeking any additional suspects. >> police say haughton's wife works at the salon and got a restraining order against her husband. it's not known if she was among the victims. >>> it's cheaper to fill up your car but that may be small consolation for bay area

it's primarily-- last year it enforce add no-fly zone in libya and the campaign that overthrew moammar qaddafi. i'm pleased to have the secretary general at this table, welcome. tell me how you have defined the role for nato in the current environment, especially in the middle east. >> the core role is still to protect our citizens against any threat to their security we won the cold war. we protected our citizens against soviet communism, aggression. we won the cold war. the soviet broke down but after the end of the cold war we realized that we are faced we merging security challenges, terrorism, this is the reason why we are in afghanistan. that's why we are now building a nato missile defense system to protect our populations against milz attacks. piracy, this is the reasons why we conduct counterpiracy operation. so across the board we have taken on responsibility for new missions but, again, with the core task to protect our citizens against any thrat. >> rose: how much of that is borne by the united states, both in terms of budget and in terms of resources? >> a lot, of course. the unit

we also had to make sure that moammar qaddafi didn't stay there. and to the governor's credit, you supported us going into libya and the coalition that we organized. but when it came time to making sure that qaddafi did not stay in power, that he was captured, governor, your suggestion was that this was mission creep. that this was mission muddle. imagine if we had pulled out at that point. now, moammar qaddafi had more american blood on his hands than any individual other than osama bin laden. so we were going to make sure we finished the job. that's part of the reason why the libyans stand with us. but we did so in a careful, thoughtful way, making certain that we knew who we were dealing with, that those forces of moderation on the ground were ones that we could work with and we have to take the same kind of steady, thoughtful leadership when it comes to syria. that's exactly what we're doing. >> schieffer: governor, can i just ask you: would you go beyond what the administration would do. like, for example, would you put in no-fly zones over sy

now moammar qaddafi had more american blood on his hands than any individual other than osama bin laden. and so we were going to make sure that we finished the job. that is part of the reason why the libyans stand with us. but we did so in a careful, thoughtful way, making certain that we knew who we were dealing with. that those forces of moderation on the ground were ones that we could work with, and we had to take the same kind of steady, thoughtful leadership when it comes to syria, that is exactly what we are doing. >> schieffer: governor, can i just ask you, would you go beyond what the administration would do, like, for example, would you put in no-fly zones over syria? >> i don't want to have our military involved in syria. i don't think there is a necessity to put our military in syria at this stage. i don't anticipate that in the future. as i indicated our objectives are to replace assad and have in place a new government which is friendly to us, a responsible government, if possible, and i want to make sure they get armed. and they have the arms necessary to defend themselves

when you know a get know detainee was released to moammar qaddafi and, when you know these things, and yet you do not look at this as a terrorist action, but say the what you a response -- i just think is is -- it plays up the lack of trust. the american people are upset with it. i talked to so many women who have said, really? could they not figure out this was a terrorist attack? are they really -- bill: why do you believe they took the approach they did? >> i do not know. you know, one would think from looking at what we know, one would be led to consider did they do this. or some type of political gain. were they trying not to say -- was it why the president went to the u.n. and did not use the word "terrorist"? we had a consulate that was attacked. this appears to have been a terrorist-involved attack from all the indications that we have. i think this an incredibly serious situation. i think it's imperative for the administration to begin to response to the questions that house republicans are asking and you have our chairman, the and services committee and the appropriations com

they are capitalizing on the proceed tpeuf ration of weapons after the fall of moammar qaddafi.his attack on the u.s. consulate june 6th with an ied planted in the ledge of the perimeter wall is described to fox as a probing attack to measure the u.s. response. this incident coupled with attacks on the international red cross and this rpg attack on the british ambassador in benghazi also in june suggests a pattern to drive western influence from that city, part of the broader effort by the al-qaida affiliate and ansar al sharia to establish in libya. >> the policies of leading from behind are now compounded by the policies of leading from afar which goes right to your point of pushing the cia and other people out of their areas so there can be sang which are reareas for them. i think that is an accurate assessment that they are trying to create more sanctuary areas by pushing us out, our diplomats and military. >> reporter: dianne feinstein says that an intelligence mistake was to blame for the controversy over the attack in benghazi and what caused it, and she is blaming the di

as a result moammar qaddafi hadn't been heard from for 20 years after that. when somebody attacks us and kills our people we retaliate and respond and do it immediately. jenna: jim your thoughts. >> i don't know why kt assumes there is not going to be a response. i'm not sure it's entirely a smart thing to be out there telling your enemy what you're going to do. i'm shower that there will be a response and i'm sure that these people will disappear and it won't be a very pretty scene. ronald reagan also walked away, you know, he pulled troops out after cobart towers. all presidents have different parts of their record. i see nothing out there that says that the united states is not going to respond. i fully expect them to respond, i think that is for military planners not for tv pundit skwraos in th. jenna: in the meantime it has been several weeks since this happened. our ambassador was killed and there doesn't seem to be a visible response to the world for those who perpetrated our consulate, jim. what do you think is the effect of that. i understand what yo

militants has been bolstered by a lot of weapons in libya that have been easier to come by since moammar qaddafig portable surface to air missiles, martha. martha: a lot of speculation that that is exactly what the two former seals were looking for, they were trying to round up exactly those weapons. what is the datess on the hunt for these terrorists who carried out the deadly raid in benghazi that night, peter. >> reporter: we know that there is a short list of possible commander's of the attack and -pt leadeof the leader of an shar al sharis was on it. they won't confirm that. they caught up with him and he said he was trying to break up a traffic jam at the consulate and was participating in the raid but the attack was tied to the anti-islamic video and members of his group are good people with good goals which are trying to implement islamic law. sources say just because he's with that group does not mean that al-qaida was not involved as well, martha. martha: very interesting, we'll see where that goes. thaopbg you very much. bill thank you very much. bill: fox news alert. a passion tphal

supposed to be presenting the front that things are getting better in libya, we helped to overthrow moammar qaddafil-qaida is on the run. so how do you put that in front of the safety of your people at the consulate and say, well we actually want libyan guards there now. we want to pull our guys out and make it look like things are going well. >> i hope when senator lieberman when he has his committee hearing will get to the bottom of it. that was security people talking to security people at the department of state. the ambassador and others were expressing concerns about what was happening in libya, that the radical islamists are trying to undermine this government, they are conducting violent attacks to separate western influences from that government. also i'm convinced, although i don't know for certain that he probably was also discussing the security concerns he had at the consulate, and also at the embassy. martha: those who say that there is a growing al-qaida problem in this region, tick off all of the countries, libya, syria, all of the countries where they see a growing presence of al-q

byproducts of what we did in iraq and afghanistan is five days after we captured saddam hussein moammar qaddafi came forward and announced he would surrender all his nuclear materials to the united states, which he has done. this was one of the biggest sources of proliferation in the world today in terms of the threat represented by that. the suppliers network that provided that headed by mr. a.q. kahn has been shut down. we've made major progress with a major issue with respect to nuclear proliferation and will continue to press hard on the north koreans and iranians as well. >> the vice president talks about someone associated with al qaeda or their main member in iraq. there are 60 countries who have members of al qaeda in them. how many of those countries are we going to invade? not only that, he talks about iran, the reality about iran is iran has moved forward with their nuclear weapons program on their watch. they ceded responsibility to dealing with it to the europeans. now, the vice president, as you pointed out, work -- spoke out loudly for lifting the sanctions on iraq. john kerry an

byproducts of what we did in iraq and afghanistan is five days after we captured saddam hussein moammar qaddafi came forward and announced he would surrender all his nuclear materials to the united states, which he has done. this was one of the biggest sources of proliferation in the world today in terms of the threat represented by that. the suppliers network that provided that headed by mr. a.q. kahn has been shut down. we've made major progress with a major issue with respect to nuclear proliferation and will continue to press hard on the north koreans and iranians as well. >> the vice president talks about someone associated with al qaeda or their main member in iraq. there are 60 countries who have members of al qaeda in them. how many of those countries are we going to invade? not only that, he talks about iran, the reality about iran is iran has moved forward with their nuclear weapons program on their watch. they ceded responsibility to dealing with it to the europeans. now, the vice president, as you pointed out, work -- spoke out loudly for lifting the sanctions on iraq. john kerry an