in the older moby dick days harpoons we re the older moby dick days harpoons were hand—held.that whales were being over hunted and frankly whales were going extinct. it was just a big moneymaking proposition. the entire whaling industry is worth £100 million a year. russia and japan are the two big whaling nations and some of it goes to those countries for food. it was back in 1967 about but i met food. it was back in 1967 about but imeta food. it was back in 1967 about but i met a film who became a great friend and he played a sounds to me of humpback whales. it was the most beautiful thing i had ever heard from nature. you might get a sound for example that goes... mimmicks whale sounds. i was out in san diego one—time visiting a friend of mine and i played him whale sounds and he was fascinated by them and i said, i've a lwa ys fascinated by them and i said, i've always wanted to make a record of these and he said, we will make it! and so we sat down and made a record and we then wrote a booklet that went with it and talked all about whales and their plight and what was go

and the town is nestled in the southampton it is an old railing town -- whaling town mentioned in moby dick it is that part of long island sound starting in the 30s and 40s african-american doctors and teachers and lawyers would go out there to get some summer places as a place to go to bring your kids and then they tell their cousin in new jersey and they a start coming outpending my summers there through college. so that is based on my adventures in the town. >>host: was there anything worse than bigger kid play keepth away? >> guest: that main character is 15 and with that identity formation to figure out where he is part of the community or deviates from the community and he is figuring out and with that identity battle with that psychological warfare so as a teenager. >>host: what is it mean to be bougie? do you give up your pretensions and if you have made it also to embrace the fact you are a little bit posh. >>host: back to sag harbor getting rid of the house was unforgivable. do you still have your psych house? >> guest: my mom is still living out there sovi she owns it. it is not

in this famous part of the hamptons, southhampton and there's an old whaling town mentioned inwn moby dick, a lot of the goods went from that part of long island into connecticut and starting in the 30s and 40s there were african american doctors, lawyers, teachers who started going out there, getting some are places, they have some extra money and they start a little community. it was a safe place to go, bring your kids, spread by word-of-mouth, people from harlem are going in the 30s and 40s, and so, my mom started going out there in the 40s and spend my summers out there, i grew up in the city i would go every year until college so sag harbor the book was based on my adventures in sag harbor the town. >> in here you're right was there anything worse than a bigger kid playing keep away with your stuff, that dreary rehearsal for adulthood. >> benji is 15 and he's doing a lot of identity formation. he's figuring out where he is part of this community, where he deviates from his community, he's a black kid or can he only like certain. he's figuring out what it is to be a person and a lot of