state versus private. >> i think that modey is campaigning on the development plaque and modey is saying look, as arvind just said unless we have growth, we can't take care of our poorest. i think if the congress could even be said to have a coherent counterargument to that, they're saying we have to take care of the poorest. >> in the last 20 years -- has tripled. now if you compare that to the previous 40 years it doubled over a period of 40 years. so the -- aged 20 to 45 years today has seen this growth that the previous generation has never seen. so that has made all the difference. and mr. bodhi clearly kind of growth. >> i see two fundamental differences or three. is first is that simplifying this is largely true. modey is saying growth and -- the second is the idea of indian secularism. is it about special rights of minorities or is it questioning rights. >> rose: when you say minorities -- >> -- that's the second. and the third is about indian politics going to be the preserver for family or can someone who started life in a tea stall in a railway station. >> rose: that would be