and mohammad ali is one of my biggest euros. tavis: -- biggest heroes.ust turned 70. >> i did not like to see him getting a speedup -- getting beat up, but he underwent this transformation. he became this other person. he changed his name, and i was like, where did he go, but i understand it was a spiritual transformation, so there are interesting characters, and i read an interview with muhammed ali's daughter, and they ask, do you believe in god, and she said, all i have to do to know there is a god is a look at my father. i feel the same about bob dylan and curtis. i think curtis wrote the best song about jesus ever, but in bob dylan's case, it was particularly the christian songs i loved, and i love loads of stuff as well, and my brother came in with his record, and i had grown ups in the country were all of the religious songs make you want to jump off something. they were just awful, completely uninspired, and my brother put this out, and i wanted to make some music about the holy spirit, and i always feel there is a link between music and spiritua