i see khalid sheikh mohammed's enemies. [applause] >> we're here 'cause we don't want to go back to september 10th. and no one should dare tell new yorkers that we're here because we're afraid of khalid sheikh mohammed. there are people up here who before 9/11 were facing down terrorists when the people who were running this government now were porting terrorists. there were people here after 9/11 were fighting terrorists. while the people who were running this government were at guantanamo bay representing terrorists. we're not here out of fear. we're here because we want justice. we want the rule of law. the attorney general talks about the rule of law, but he doesn't seem to understand what the rule of law has always been in wartime. in wartime, the rule of law for terrorists and for enemies is war crimes trials before military commissions. it is not to wrapÑ@ our enemien our bill of rights. it's not to bring them to the majesty of the federal courthouse and clothe them in all the rights of the americans that they're sw

i see khalid sheikh mohammed's enemies. we are here because we do want to go back to september 10th and nobody should dare tell new yorkers that we are here because we are a khalid sheikh mohammed afraid of -- because we are afraid of khalid sheikh mohammed. there are people who were appear before 9/11 were facing down terrorists and the people who are running this government now were pardoning terrorists. there are people here who, after 9/11, or fighting terrorists while people who are running this government were at guantanamo bay representing terrorists. we are not here out of fear. we are here because we want justice. we want the rule lot. the attorney general talks about the rule of law, but he does not seem to understand what the rule of law has always been in war crimes -- in wartime. in wartime the rule of law for terrorists and for enemies is war crime trials before military commissions, not to wrap our enemies in our bill of rights, not to bring them to the majesty of a federal court house and clothe them and all

us to what the patriarch really wanted us to see-- a little-known letter written by the prophet mohammedsigned and sealed with his hand print, offering protection and religious freedom to the christians of the monastery. >> justin: these are precedents from mohammed himself for toleration and peace among people of differing faiths. >> simon: the patriarch then brought us back to the 21st century and turkey, to his own back yard. he took us for a ride on an island off of istanbul in a carriage with a police escort. the patriarch wanted to show us that mohammed's message of tolerance has not been received by the turkish authorities. his prime example-- the halki school of theology, the only greek orthodox seminary in turkey, empty and abandoned. no priests, no prayers. thank you, your all holiness. it's very kind of you. the halki was closed down by turkish authorities after passage of a law banning private higher education. that was back in 1971. >> bartholomew: it's a pity and a shame. it's a crime to keep such a school closed, unused, for no reason. why? >> simon: reasons of state. >> b

now they want to give khalid shaikh mohammed a trial before a jury of his peers. when i look out at my fellow new yorkers i don't see khalid shaikh mohamad's peers. i see him come -- muhammcolli'. there are people up here who before 9/11 were facing down terrorists when the people running this government now were pardoning terrorists. there are people here who after 9/11 were fighting terrorists while the people running this government or at guantanamo bay representing terrorists. >> that's the truth. >> we are not fera out of fear -- we are not here out of fear. we want justice. the attorney general does not understand what the rule of law has been in wartime. in wartime the rule of law for terrorists and for enemies is war crimor * in wartime trial ba military tribunal. it's not to bring them to a federal courts and give them all the rights of the americans that want to kill. the rule of law for wartime enemies has been military commissions since the beginning of this country. it was the right thing for george washington. it was the right thing for andrew jackso

. >> nobody mentioned mohammed's execution. you know, nobody's really going to care about whether you going to put more detail into the plate. so i'm curious whether the litigant story is ever -- and i've read your story. they do inform the storys that you end. but just talk about that a little bit. >> i'll start by saying justice scalia' principle complaint is when we talk about a case that starts with "poor, old widow"." that's all we care about who's more sthitics. that's kind of delusional what the things that she said. focusing on the litigants is to the court because they want to to cuss on the group. i will say one of the ways the court has covered the court because i think adams really brought it to this coverage. i mean, they are people that are focused on telling the litigants stories. and i think it's a bit of a misnomer. and this is where i take issue with ydams. we're all writing the sametory. and i think there are reporter out there who do a really superjob. and talk about where this is going down the line. i thin

heard from pakistani reports that the group of americans wanted to hook up with a group called judge mohamed in pan stack. it was the group that killed daniel pearl and if that allegation is true, these guy wrs getting in pretty deep. >> larry: paul, how do you gather the people are recruited in. >> that's a great question. lots of cases, it could be individuals in the community, radicalizers with ideology to come in and we are seeing that the sbrernl is more and more important and the young men are exposed to the ideology over the internet and this is a young man that is relosing videos that young americans have been releases and vn influenced by. but the context here, larry, there has been -- the united states has been engaged in iraq and muslim countries. a lot of the muslim communities oppose those wars and that plays in into what we are seeing here. >> larry: do you think, peter, it leads to more anti-muslim feeling? >> i think in the case of hasan, most americans realize this guy was a guy who went postal, e essentiallily. this is not about a guy that went postal. >> larry: thank you b

that's khalid shaikh mohammed. that's how evil he is. and now the president has said, and eric holder has said that we'll feel better when they are prosecuted in the united states and when they are executed. and i'll say the president, the attorney general had repeatedly said that k.s.m. will be convicted. i say it opens up a new set of appeals that k.s.m., while would be announced that he would be convicted and implied at least that he would be executed by the president of the united states who is a lawyer, a harvard lawyer, an instructor of constitution law at the university of chicago -- even though he was adjunct professor, that's the announcement from the president of the united states and the attorney general that said essentially this, first we'll hang them and then we'll try them. i point your attention, madam speaker, by a writing by mark twain called "ruffing it" the turn of the middle of the 19th century. he wrote a story in "roughing it" about a captain, ned blakely. he was sailed off to the islands to get a load of whatever

reports that the group of americans are alleged to have wanted to hook up with a group called judge mohammed in pakistan. it was the group that killed danny pearl on the basis that he was an american and a jew. it is very violent and relatively small. if that allegation is true, these guys were really getting in pretty deep. >> larry: paul, how do you gather these people are recruited? >> that's a great question. in lots of different ways, as we've seen in recent cases. there could be individuals in the community, radicalizers with violent ideology that go in and sort of talk to them, indoctrinate them. but we're seeing that the internet is more and more important. and that young men are exposed to this ideology over the internet. there's an american cleric, for example, based in yemen, awlaki who has been releasing all sort of videos that young americans have been watching and being influenced by. but the context here, larry, there has been -- the united states has been engaged in iraq and afghanistan, they're muslim countries. a lot of the muslim communities oppose those wars and that play

that is what we were asking of mohamed massaquoi, to be able to extend yourself and get to the ball. now the challengers have to figure out how to get a stop here. kevin: two time-outs remaining for both teams. first down and 10 from the 33-yard line of san diego. to the end zone and almost caught by robiskie. his dad is an nfl coach. solomon: should have been intercepted. we say pressure leads to picks. philips put the pressure in the face of brady quinn. cromartie was back there. could have made a play on it. give credit to robiskie for getting his hands to the ball. if he had not extended himself, i think cromartie would have intercepted it. phillip rivers, boy, has he played one heck of a game today. kevin: nice one-handed grab on the far side in front of kevin burnett by harrison. picks up two and gets out of bounds at the 31-yard line. some kind of stretch that phillip rivers is in. the last four games, he has thrown seven touchdown passes and no interceptions. only thrown three interceptions the last 10 games. solomon: look at that quarterback rating. i just think the way that

he was selected by mohammed sheikh to this group when he had been selected as somebody who would not arouse suspicion in britain. what was his aim? his ame was, even though in the short term he was prepared to accept lower levels of destruction, is to explode the first 30 bum in world history in britain. i think this particular case, you can see his code name on the right, which was field study and again a surveillance photograph encapsulates the difficulties. at the request of mi5 moved and it wasn't any usable evidence against him in a court of law. what i think and what i thought when i joined mi5 in 2003 was that there would be a whole series of cases in which mi5 asked the special-- to millben because there were threats to life but in which there would not be evidence used in a court of law and therefore whole series of cases where people were arrested and released in the popular you would be that mi5 was paranoid and so on. i have been amazed to the degree that this is not happen but this is the case that encapsulates the difficult. at the moment he was arrested there was no us

khalid shaikh mohammed. the isi has not been a good one. they tend to side with the extremists and help us with high-valued targets. has this improved? what do you plan to work better with the pakistan intelligence service? >> congressman, my official responsibility ends at the borders of afghanistan. we do, however, have a close relationship with the pakistani military so we build up with a partnership against problems on both sides of the border. it still has a long way to go. i'm absolutely committee to improve in that so our shared strategic goals are met. >> thank you. and what is the influence of iran in afghanistan right now? >> it's both positive and negative. there are a number of positive things they do economically and culturally. there's always a threat they may bring illicit or inappropriate influence in, and we watch for that. >> thank you, general. >> translator: time of the gentleman has expired. the gentleman from california is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. good hearing. it's timely. i t

it was basically talking about the forces of islam in america, such as these icons you have with mohammed ali, kareem abdul-jabbar, how they were very instrumental and good icons and good role models in america and how the immigrant influence has shaped and redirect did the influence of islam in america and in the african american muslims who are basically put out of the debate of the global aspects and influence of islam in the world in the areas in dealing with islam and global terrorism. and he was saying that they comprise about half of the muslim population in america. but the scholarly objective of african americans are left of the medium. and he was saying one of the scholars was chairman jackson who is an african-american scholar at the university of michigan. and he was very and scholarly and very distinct and his subscriptions of islam. but he was left out of the dialogue on this war on terror. and so is a good book to give you a different perspective than the americans. >> host: thank you for that tip in somewhat of a related note this is greg mortensen's book stones into schoo

coincided wi the shiiteuslim holyay, honoringhe martdom of imamussein, a grandson son ofprot at the time mohammed moussavi did notpeak out today but t other leading candidate did. he fiercely criticized the crackdown on a religious holidaywriting on his web sit how is it at a regime is now sending bunches of thugs to the stets and shedding people's ood on the day of assra. the crackdn brought wide spread international condemnation. resident obama spo today. >> wh is taking place within iran is not about the unted states or any oer untry. it is abt the iranian people and tir aspirations or justice and a better life for themselve. the desion of ir's leaders tgovern through fr and tyranny willot succeed making those aspirationso aay. >> warner: there were scattered reports of new trouble today anpposition web site said polic fired ar gas disperse moussavi supporters outside a hospital i hran. and for mo on the volatile for more on the volaile situation inran, we go to trita parsipresident of the tional iranian-american council, a nonpartisan oranization promoting iranian- american particition in u.

yemen's connection and what it may be that he put on that plane or why he tried to set fire to and why mohammeds trying to help us understand about yemen serving others. let's go back to paula for a second. you pointed out these are little threads we've got. we don't know any of this to be a fact just yet. but it is possible that he could be part of an extremist organization in yemen. it's also entirely possible this guy could be what we call a freelancer. >> absolutely. he could have been acting alone. it really will stand to reason exactly who he claims to be with. that doesn't mean they aren't dangerous, whether or not they have these affiliations or not and what they actually had connections to. when we've followed these terror plots in britain, and there have been a few attempted and obviously unfortunately some successful. in following those plots through the court cases, some were fre freelancers. but there was a wealth of information and also physically in trying to experiment with these kinds of things. you can still find the information on the internet through intermediarintermediari.

shiite-muslim holy day, honoring the martyrdom of imam hussein, a grandson son of prot at the time mohammed moussavi did not speak out today but the other leading candidate did. he fiercely criticized the crackdown on a religious holiday, writing on his web site, how is it that a regime is now sending bunches of thugs to the streets and shedding people's blood on the day of assuora. the crackdown brought wide spread international condemnation. president obama spoke today. >> what is taking place within iran is not about the united states or any other country. it is about the iranian people and their aspirations for justice and a better life for themselve. the decision of iran's leaders to govern through fear and tyranny will not succeed in making those aspirations go away. >> warner: there were scattered reports of new trouble today. an opposition web site said police fired tear gas to disperse moussavi supporters outside a hospital in tehran. and for more on the volatile for more on the volatile situation in iran, we go to trita parsi, president of the national iranian-american council, a

. >> nobody mentioned mohammed's execution. you know, nobody's really going to care about whether you going to put more detail into the plate. so i'm curious whether the litigant story is ever -- and i've read your story. they do inform the storys that you end. but just talk about that a little bit. >> i'll start by saying justice scalia' principle complaint is when we talk about a case that starts with "poor, old widow"." that's all we care about who's more sthitics. that's kind of delusional what the things that she said. focusing on the litigants is to the court because they want to to cuss on the group. i will say one of the ways the court has covered the court because i think adams really brought it to this coverage. i mean, they are people that are focused on telling the litigants stories. and i think it's a bit of a misnomer. and this is where i take issue with ydams. we're all writing the sametory. and i think there are reporter out there who do a really superjob. and talk about where this is going down the line. i thin

it is not to diminish the the conference we have had -- bringing khalid sheikh mohammed and others underilling many others. but the fundamental fact is that al qaeda today remains a deadly enemy of the united states of america and our allies. it is the first truly global terrorist organization in history. its reach and scope in the last eight years is almost breathtaking when you think about it. from algiers to washington, from bali to madrid, this organization has struck again and again and again around the world. it has developed franchisees, it has developed surrogates, it has acquired allies that increases its reach. it has become more than a terrorist organization, it it has become an idea. it has created a narrative that inspires a small minority of muslims, a very small minority, to carry out acts of mass violence. most of its attacks are indiscriminate it has also demonstrated a chilling capacity to strike with great discrimination against targets like benazir bhutto, the u.n. headquarters in baghdad and almost just a month ago against the deputy minister of interior in saudi ara

what is the interest of mohammed karzai? would he like to stay in power? he's the one that says he would not re-elect. he regrets the corruption, but because his nearest opponent pulled out of the race, he was awarded the election by default. he does regret that, madam speaker. at least that's the words that he used to speak to us on this. but president karzai has his interests. and the afghan people that have influenced -- have influence with president karzai have their interests. the taliban have their interests. al qaeda theirs. there's a different group, the taliban, and others we're fighting as well. it's very complicated, and it's not simple and it's not at all completely militarily tactical. it's very much how do we put together the solutions of first providing the security, maintaining that security, building the institutions and the infrastructure that are necessary so that the central government in pakistan -- or in afghanistan can reach out to the corners of the country such as a place where i was just yesterday. all of that needs to happen, mad

. >> peace and blessing be upon us and mohammed and his pure household. to his rightfulness.ty god for granting me the opportunity to attend the support meeting. i have the pleasure of giving my sincere thanks and for making excellent arrangements to host this event. the ontario and efforts of the secretariat towards the success of this meeting deserves our utmost appreciation. [unintelligible] in human life. any disturbance of the balance may cause negative implications in the entire human community. the ongoing devastating race in the world have seriously jeopardized this blessing. failure to protect its harmony and balance will leave dire consequences in our planet. allow me to draw your attention to the following facts. greenhouse gases have increased 35% in the past decade's rizzde. climatic conditions have been subject to drastic changes in the -- most parts of the world. destructive typhoons, floods, food crisis, and desertification threaten various regions. change in a couecosystems that endangered plant and animal species. millions lost their lives every year as a re

. >> all praise by to allah, the lord of the universe and peace be upon our master mohammed and his pureis rightfulness, ladies and gentlemen, -- i don't have the floor. >> i thank the almighty god for granting me the opportunity to attend this important meeting. i also have the pleasure to express my sincere thanks to the government and people of denmark for this responsibility and for making excellent arrangements to host this event. the tremendous efforts of the secretary towards the success of the meeting deserves our yut most appreciation. the climate in the earth with all the presources belong to each nation to the almighty god and theer qui little bit bri yum is the ending the dynamics of life. it may cause negative implications in the entire community. the world has seriously jeopardize this blessing. it will lead to dire consequences in our planet. allow me to draw your attention to the following facts. concentration of green house gases has increased 35% in the past decade resulting in two degrees celsius rise in temperatures. climatic decisions have led to changes in most part

the attorney general holder who testified before not long ago, his decision to bring khalid sheikh mohammed and other terrorists to new york city forcible the -- for civilian trial makes action difficult. bringing foreign national into the state requires immigration laws and various rights and federal courts. though our last department of justice oversight hearing of the attorney general seemed unfamiliar with fees' consequences when asked about them. so i would hope that you can clarify that for us today and see what we can do about this action that i think would bring into the country some very dangerous people and has the potential of resulting in their being released in the united states. in a major component of your mission is securing of the nation's borders, a touring those who attempt to enter a legally and finding and removing those who've come here in violation of law. while facilitating the entry of illegal immigrants and visitors and a fair and timely manner. so i am disappointed by some of the actions that you've taken that i think undermine the enforcement measures for those i

in some court decides that when colleagues shape mohammed asked for a lawyer and he was denied a lawyernd because of coercive and enhanced interrogation techniques in his testimony can't be used in somehow decides that he can't be tried in an article iii courts. what guarantees do we have that he can be detained indefinitely? either here or somewhere else? >> well, senator again i think that's what the attorney general decided is based on a firm conviction in the values inherited in the criminal justice is done and the american court system and that this trail can be held and held successfully in new york city. >> well, i think what concerns me the most is that actually i think the decision was not fully vetted and thought out in terms of what the potential consequences would be. i have no doubt as to what the attorney general's attention are, but he's not the final judge so to speak and someone else will be making that decision. for example, as you notice the record i said that you cannot indefinitely detain someone in this country under this on the dos decision and the question is if

another detainee, ali bin ali allah, was identified on a list of names in khalid sheikh mohammed possession when k.s.m. was captured. ali bin allah was determined not to be a captive. he was transferred to yemen in september. maybe some of my colleagues have seen the recent headlines indicating that some european countries are are willing to accept these detainees. in fact, detainees have recently been transferred to belgium ireland, hungary and italy. however, the american people are not fooled by these headlines. of the 779 detainees held since 2001 at guantanamo bay our european partners have accepted only 37. the vast majority of detainees almost 400 have been transferred to four countries: afganistan, saudi arabia, pakistan, and yemen. these four countries are either currently in conflict or actively combating al qaeda. in all four of these countries the threat from al qaeda and associate militants has done nothing but increase over the pass few years. yet, the united states is sending back hundreds of terrorists to the most volatile regions of the world. south asia, which poses the gr

in some court decides that when colleagues shape mohammed asked for a lawyer and he was denied a lawyerand because of coercive and enhanced interrogation techniques in his testimony can't be used in somehow decides that he can't be tried in an article iii courts. what guarantees do we have that he can be detained indefinitely? either here or somewhere else? >> well, senator again i think that's what the attorney general decided is based on a firm conviction in the values inherited in the criminal justice is done and the american court system and that this trail can be held and held successfully in new york city. >> well, i think what concerns me the most is that actually i think the decision was not fully vetted and thought out in terms of what the potential consequences would be. i have no doubt as to what the attorney general's attention are, but he's not the final judge so to speak and someone else will be making that decision. for example, as you notice the record i said that you cannot indefinitely detain someone in this country under this on the dos decision and the question is if

then there was the decision to bring the self-avowed mastermind of the attack, khalid sheikh mohammed into new york city for trial. we learned this week that the administration plans to give other terrorists the benefits of a civilian trial in the united states. and now there's this. according to the reports we've seen the administration intends to bring as many 100 -- 100 foreign terrorist fighters from guantanamo bay to america. a plan would make our nation less safe, not more so. what's worse, the defenders of the proposal don't even seem to get the implications. rather than even attempt to reassure people about safety, politicians in illinois are trumenting this -- trumpeting this, get this, mr. president, as a jobs program. a jobs program. that's how out of touch they are. democratic politicians are so eager to spend the failure of the trillion dollar stimulus that they're now talking about national security in the language of saved and created jobs. the advocates of closing guantanamo without a plan just can't seem to make up their minds as to why it's a good idea. first, we wer

at the talk going on when it was determined by attorney general eric holder to have khalid sheikh mohammed tried in new york city. we are talking about miranda warnings, talking about suppression hearings because of violation of fourth amendment and fifth amendment, etcetera. we also know that once you set -- i need some coffee -- once you set your feet on u.s. soil, you pick up all of the rights to which u.s. citizens and residents are entitled. what it means, and as a bit as value has been filing lawsuits and other organizations -- and as the aclu has been filing lawsuits and other organizations, their goal is to make sure there are no military tribunals held but that everyone held at thomson would have trial in federal court in the country. is -- it is especially important there is a brand new court in construction in rockford, it will be open in 67 months, and i can guarantee you there will be a flood of litigation going on at the local courthouse here for various things. let me if run through them. one is of the so-called g-8 rights under the civil rights act. lawsuits challenging the

khalid shaikh mohammed. the isi has not been a good one. they tend to side with the extremists and help us with high-valued targets. has this improved? what do you plan to work better with the pakistan intelligence service? >> congressman, my official responsibility ends at the borders of afghanistan. we do, however, have a close relationship with the pakistani military so we build up with a partnership against problems on both sides of the border. it still has a long way to go. i'm absolutely committee to improve in that so our shared strategic goals are met. >> thank you. and what is the influence of iran in afghanistan right now? >> it's both positive and negative. there are a number of positive things they do economically and culturally. there's always a threat they may bring illicit or inappropriate influence in, and we watch for that. >> thank you, general. >> translator: time of the gentleman has expired. the gentleman from california is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. good hearing. it's timely. i t

it is not to diminish the accomplishments we have had light green khalid sheikh mohammed and others underetention and killing many others. al qaeda today remains a deadly enemy of the united states of america and of our allies. is the first truly global terrorist organization in history. this region scope in the last eight years is almost -- its reach and scope in the last eight years is almost breathtaking. from bali to madrid, this organization has struck again and again and again around world. it has developed franchises, surrogates, and has acquired allies that increase its reach. it has become more than a terrorist organization. it has created a narrative which inspires a small minority of muslims, a very small minority of muslims, to carry out acts of mass violence. most of its attacks are indiscriminate, but it has demonstrated a chilling capacity to strike with great discrimination against target like the un headquarters in baghdad, and almost against the deputy minister of the interior in saudi arabia. we see its reach in the united states today, both direct and indirect. the afg

intelligence flow, because we can't get inside the terrorists' head like we did withca khalid shake mohammed >> i don't think that's true. >> and perhaps there is misinformation out there that this is occurring. >> well, we will try to find out for you, but i don't have any reason to believe that. >> nor do i. >> that's good to have that answer. thank you. gentleman's time is expired. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to thank the panel, the secretary, for all of your dedication to this country over the years. admiral mullen, secretary gates, you're going to be -- texas a & m, it would have been a lot easier. >> the most painful thing in this entire hearing. >> i was watching a report the other day, and it's -- the report on television, and it goes to the question that my colleague asked before. it's regarding our u.s. soldiers, whether they have a difficult time building trust and confidence with the afghan forces that they're supposed to train. if there's a lack of trust as an issue, of our soldiers working with the afghan, isn't that going to i am imperil our efforts over the next 18 mon

it is not to diminish the the conference we have had -- bringing khalid sheikh mohammed and others underilling many others. but the fundamental fact is that al qaeda today remains a deadly enemy of the united states of america and our allies. it is the first truly global terrorist organization in history. its reach and scope in the last eight years is almost breathtaking when you think about it. from algiers to washington, from bali to madrid, this organization has struck again and again and again around the world. it has developed franchisees, it has developed surrogates, it has acquired allies that increases its reach. it has become more than a terrorist organization, it it has become an idea. it has created a narrative that inspires a small minority of muslims, a very small minority, to carry out acts of mass violence. most of its attacks are indiscriminate it has also demonstrated a chilling capacity to strike with great discrimination against targets like benazir bhutto, the u.n. headquarters in baghdad and almost just a month ago against the deputy minister of interior in saudi ara