has a vivid memory of khalid sheikh mohammed. very organized man. he teaches in a suit. he was professor of the year last year and interesting, devoted man, leading a careful life that's affecting hundreds of students a year. >> what's he remember from khalid sheikh mohammed? >> he remembers him as a good student who had very poor english. he never had any political discussions with him or religious debates, for that matter. it was -- but he remembers him as someone with a very orderly mind and unfortunately, an orderly mind can be put to good or evil and in this kiss, it was put to evil. >> how big is he? >> he's about 5'4" and i don't know what his current weight is but he gets double meals at guantanamo so i'm assuming he's in the 200-pound range. >> when you went to chowan, what else did you do while you were there? did you find anybody else that had heard of him? >> it was hard. i went through the school library and went through the year books. he was invisible in the yearbooks. i talked to other professors, i talked to dean

about -- did you ask about colleague sheikh mohammed? -- khalid sheikh mohammed? >> if you believe the geneva convention applied to people who were part of organizations that are not signatories to the geneva convention, then opening of a prisoner to public visits is a violation of geneva. you cannot treat people who are being held in combat, prisoners of war, has channels and a zoo. -- as animals in a zoo. very clearly in geneva. there was this sort of lingering legal concern. also, it is a secure place. a lot of the layout and who is involved is classified. you can see why the u.s. government would consider it so sensitive. >> on your cover, it says author of "losing been lavin, the -- bin laden, the shuttle were." -- war." one was that written? when was that written? >> there are a lot of secrets that died with osama bin laden -- sleeper cells, but governments are supplying al qaeda with money, why, and one -- what of the names of the officials? what are the plots that are pending? all of that information was in his head. that would have been valuable. we could

. >> could we use the same tactics against khalid sheikh mohammed that we did against osama bin laden. would that have beenawful? >> could we have? >> used the same tactics against khalid sheikmommed when we captured him in pakistan as we did against osama bin laden. that is killed him rather than captured him? >> well, the aim with regard to bin laden was to kill or capture him. i would think that with regard to khalid sheikh mohammed, we could probably apply those same standards. we have the ability there. >> does it seem some ways inconsistent or difficulty for more relevance to say that it is per se so shocking to the conscience that one would subject khalid sheikh mohammed to waterboarding, but it would not shock the consciee to put a buet in his brain? >> one has to take into account a variety of things. and when you're on the scene, you want to get the person you're trying to capture. but you also have to make sure you're protecting the lives of the people who are on our side and who put themselves at risk. and it is for that reason that there's a safety component there. and th

the attacks were carefully planned. >> my name is ali mohammed. >> reporter: this man, ali mohammed,ive. he married a californian in 1985 and became an american citizen. he joined the u.s. army. >> at the same time that he was a u.s. army sergeant and actually working at special forces headquarters in ft. bragg, north carolina, he was also intimately involved with al qaeda, training bin laden's bodyguards. >> ali mohammed had done what they call casing of the american embassy in nairobi in december of 1993. a five-year span between casing and operation. >> reporter: and listen to what ali mohammed said in a u.s. court. >> my surveillance files and photographs were reviewed by osama bin laden. bin laden looked at the picture of the american embassy and pointed to where a truck could go as a suicide bomber. >> reporter: shortly after the terrorist attacks on the two u.s. embassies, this man, abdul, approached bin laden with a new scheme. two years of planning followed. on october 7th, 2000, in the yemeni port of aden, two al qaeda suicide bombers steered their small boat up to the "uss

khalid sheikh mohammed is captured in -- early 2003 in pakistan. and is waterboarded in 2003, 183 times according to the cia reports that have since been released on that. they didn't learn -- the cia did not learn the identity of the courier until 2007, we're being told. so four years after the waterboarding of ksm they figure out the real identity of this courier and then they are able to follow the trail that leads to bin laden. so that is a somewhat different narrative than that being pushed by those who are suggesting waterboarding or enhanced interrogation techniques was the key to breaking this case. >> michael, thank you so much for the reporting you've done on that topic. my big question today, lots of debate over whether the u.s. government should make public the pictures and the video of the killing or burial of osama bin laden. i'd like to hear your thoughts on this. you can reach me on facebook, on twi twitter. we're having a lively conference about that. and senator bob casey is a member of the senate's foreign relations committee. se

hi, mohammed, nice to have you. >> hi, susie. thank you for having me. >> susie: are things getting better in the jobs market? >> they are getting better. today was a strong number, not only in terms of the overall number, but also in terms of what we call the defusion index. we had 65% of the industry reporting job increases. however, and it's important to remember that, unemployment remains high, 9%, and the poied and the underpoied is still at 15.8%. and the thing that worries me the most, susie, a staggering 25% of the 16- to 19-year-olds are unemployed. so, yes, it's a good number, but we've got a lot to do to get back to normal. >> susie: well, you know, we hear c.e.o.s saying they're optimistic about the future, they have a lot of cash, they're doing mergers. do you expect an acceleration in hiring? >> i'm hoping for one, but, unfortunately, i don't expect it. and i don't expect it for a number of reasons. first, we are coming off an unusual period of stimulus-- fiscal stimulus, monetary stimulus. that is now ending, so ta

mohamed bin hammam is under investigation on suspicion of bribery.a's vice president jack warner was also suspended. >>> this video appears to show fires down on demonstrators from roofto rooftops. cnn can't independently verify when or where the pictures were shot. medics say at least five people were killed and 90 wounded. president ali abdullah saler has been resisting calls to step down after more than 30 years in power. >>>ladic have filed an appeal against his extradition. they say he's too ill. thousands of supporters rallied in front of serbia's parliament in belgrade yesterday in what started out as a peaceful protest. some in the crowd threw rocks at police who reportedly beat and kick prod tester. 19 people were injured including seven police officers. mladic was arrested on thursday after 16 years in hiding. u.n. prosecutors say he ordered the killing of 8,000 muslims in srebenica. what's the likelihood the appeal would actually go through? >> i just talked to the chief prosecutor here. he says he's happy with the way things are going. th

i introduced myself as mohamed.nt so far as we apologize -- the guests, they give me positive reaction. i just continued with that. next day we had another event and i came down with mohamed he said you're going to be terminated for it. >> hilton hotels wouldn't comment on this case however the waldorf has more than 1,600 employees representing six continents around the world and operates a nondiscrimination hiring policy. so, joseph, that's the statement about a nondiscrimination hiring policy. what policy do they have for discrimination in the workplace when you're employed by them? >> well, we're not arguing that their hiring policy is discriminatory. what we're saying is since he's been here since 9/11, this is a loyal employee with over two decades of service, he's gone through the appropriate channels, he's made the prit complaints, that his complaints have falling on deaf ears. that no action was ever done. that essentially he was a man on an island alone. they thought in their minds i guess they have the god

eventually gets run past khalid shaikh mohammed as an example, one of our detainees, high value and he blanks on it, i don't know the name. and now you start to think, as libya, another high value. and maybe you have something of importance. and when it was thrown out at ksm it wasn't that the courier was that important. 2003, that's when we're working around this alias name. and it wasn't until 2007 that we were able to get the real name of the individual and then it took two more years, 2009, until we had a general region where we felt that this existed. the keys this were putting together this is an eight year process, it wasn't eight days. the it wasn't a week or so ago, somebody in the cia said, hey, i think i found bin laden's compound. >> it took all of that time. in 2009 a general regional location. it wasn't until august of 2010 when we finally identified the compound and so, the amount of work, the investigative, intelligence processes, the sources around the world and you're trying to zero in just to get a hold of had an individual and then that individual willed us to the c

mohammed and al-libbi both lied about the courier convincing the cia he was important. after years of intelligence gathering from a variety of sources that courier ultimately lead directly to the al qaeda leader. >> the question that everybody will always debate is whether or not those approaches had to be used in order to get the same information, and that frankly is an open question. >> i saw people used enhanced interrogation techniques they never worked. >> reporter: author and former senior military interrogator matthew alexander was involved in more than 1,300 interrogations in iraq in 2006. he says aggressive techniques are not only wrong, they can be a waste of valuable time. >> i watched a soldier and he grabbed a detainee that i was interrogating and began to choke him, and i had to physically intervene to stop him, and then my detainee quit talking. >> reporter: the white house is not ruling out the possibility that some useful information may have been obtained during those enhanced interrogations. instead, they remain focused on what was overall an intellig

anyway, thank you. >> when you have khalid sheikh mohammed, you may want to consider it. he was somebody special. >> might be easier to get that order from a republican than a democratic president. just guessing but maybe, after watching this week, i'm not sure that the president obama isn't as cold-blooded as anybody. let's go on. >> khalid sheikh mohammed may have been waterboarded, i don't think that was unjust. osama bin laden was killed. i don't think that was unjust. i'm not sure you disagree with me on that. >> thanks, cliff, may, for coming on. >>> we had a poll yesterday showing more republicans say former president bush deserves is was more credit for getting bin laden than bin laden does that's republicans saying give more credit to the former president but no matter how hard the right tries they are not going to take this one away, obviously, from the current president. did you know prilosec otc can stop frequent heartburn before it begins? heartburn happens when stomach acid refluxes into the esophagus. prilosec otc uses a unique delayed-release system that p

the two of them, amir moussa and mohamed elbaradei, are friends for 40 years and former colleagues.fact, they once shared an office at the egyptian foreign ministry as young diplomats. but they are different people with different perspectives. let's start with mohamed elbaradei who has been passionate about the need for a real transition to real democracy in egypt. mohamed elbaradei, thank you so much for joining us again. >> thank you very much for having me, fareed, here in cairo. >> tell me, the light the world's attention has moved somewhat away from egypt after the glory days of the revolution. what do things look like now? >> it's normal that the world moves on. there is always something new. but things are not the best right now, fareed. i mean, the security situation, law and order is not in the best shape. people do not feel secure. they are buying guns to protect themselves. so there's this sense of angst which obviously has great impact on the economy. the economy is bust. cyr voe investment, inflation, budget deficit, lack of tourism. and then add to that that there is n

however, as i understand the narrative here, this is not a case where khalid sheikh mohammed spilled his guts even years after being water boarded but said, no, this isn't your guy and it was that, they said, there is something fishy about that. they knew that the courier was important when ksm said look somewhere else, that's how they knew they were on to something. >> feels like an odd straw man when that really is not what this conversation is about any way. >> let's move on. the u.s. has said it will investigate whether pakistani authorities ignored bin laden's presence or helped him hide from intelligence. >> clearly they provided assistance between bin laden and his operatives. whether or not those individuals inside the pakistani government is unknown at this point. >> we're joined from abbottabad pakistan with a first-hand look. >> reporter: chuck, this is a military town. the military is everywhere here. we've been driving around and there is extra security today. we're seeing checkpoint after checkpoint. just a mile down that road is a full military academy, the elite milit

mohamed bin hammam has declared the charge as a tactic by those who do not have confidence in their ownto merge it successfully. >> it is difficult to see house mirrors can be properly investigated and decided upon in a matter of days or hours next sunday. this appears to be the intention. >> short on time or not, many will applaud fifa for finally taking action. whatever the outcome of the latest inquiry, the repercussions could be felt for years to come. >> there are no words to match this moment. that is tell oprah winfrey described the studio audience for her very final broadcast. the queen of american television has said farewell to the program which brought her fame and riches. >> she appeared alone, no guests, no real fanfare, just an adoring public and a moment of intimacy watched by millions. >> something in me connected with each of you in a way that allowed me to see myself in you and you and me. this last hour is really about me saying thank you. this is my love letter to you. >> the stars had come out 24 hours earlier to salute the queen of chat and lament the vacating of h

let's go on. >> khalid shaikh mohammed may have been water boarded, i don't think that was unjust. bin laden was killed. i don't think that was unjust. i'm not sure you disagree with me on that. >> thanks, cliff, may, for coming on. >>> we had a poll yesterday showing more republicans say former president bush deer is was more credit for getting bin laden than bin laden does that's republicans saying give more credit to the former president but no matter how hard the right tries they are not going to take this one away, obviously, from the current president. that is ahead. you are watching "hardball," only on msnbc. [ male announcer ] can a cup of coffee fill an entire community with joy? maxwell house believes so. that's why we've partnered with rebuilding together to help revitalize communities in need. vote for your community at maxwellhouse.com. of course not. we broke up 6 months ago. but i don't think she'd go for a guy like -- [ ping! ] she says she'd love to. [ ping! ] she can't wait to see me. [ ping! ] she's wanted me to ask her out for over a year now! [ ping! ] she just

thank you. >> mohammed eddinae, jimmy mankind. >> good afternoon, everybody. i am here today for the credit card thing. i don't think it is right. i do not think anybody should come take my social security and open a bank account for me and tell me you are going to take 5% of your money. they tell me you're going to take 5% of your money and you are not going to see it today. you are good to see it two or three days. i have to pay $1.50 every time i talk to somebody. anywhere you go, people have choices. passengers have ci don't have t. they have different prices, cash and credit. i believe this charge, if you can't live without it, passes to the passenger. it is fair. they have the option. i had a passenger from australia. passengers their pay 10%. -- passengers there pay 10%. >> david million -- nguyen. >> i would like to add to this invisible agenda that seems to be coming down upon cabdriver's constantly. that is evidenced by some of the alarming trends that have seemingly abused the cab driver more than the companies since the switch from the taxi commiss

one was khalid sheikh mohammed.ubjected to the most extreme waterboarding and interrogations of all detainees in u.s. custody. you when they was asking about this kuwaiti courier, he played down his significance he described him as retired, he dismissed him as being relevant. now, why that's important is that we now eventually the cia was able to p concluded, he was a protege of ksm. they were extremely close. some u.s. intelligence officials even thought they were related, though that doesn't seem to have been the case, but they were -- had worked together for years. so when khalid sheikh mohammed after waterboarding dismisses abu ahmed and described him as retired, he's misleading the cia, throwing them off the trail, although he talked about a lot of things, and there's been a considerable debate about how valuable that intelligence ultimately was the one most valuable pieces of information he contained, the courier who could have lead him to bid laden, he threw the cia off. i have one former fbi official tells m

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and mohamed and i are still legally married and ohio. a turkish attorney submitted the petition to the turkish central authority on january 24th, 2011. i have learned that the turkish authorities investigated mohammed and eli's we're about and this month the central authorities opened the case on my behalf in turkey for the return of my son. i await updates daily and desperately. over the past 14 months mohamad has permitted me to visit by what can sometimes on a regular basis. but he also abruptly cut off access to the long periods with no warning. a schedule my daily life around the chance to speak with my only child and my despair or deletions turns upon his whim. my son the longer understands or speaks english and a struggle to keep up with him and turkish but i am grateful to still have contact and maintain our bond. he was only two when mohammed to come and now at age 3i see him growing and changing drastically with each visit. every day i wonder is he thinking about me and missing his mother the same way i'm thinking of him and mi

mohamed provided mohammed provided me with a round-trip ticket and travel itinerary and also a signedement promising to return with our son. mohammed and eli were supposed to spend two months in turkey, now 14 months later at eli is still not home. i certainly did want want to be without my son for two months. i knew i would miss him more than i would miss anything but i have always felt it important for centeno is turkey's family and have exposure to that culture. i wanted to be fair. i myself to travel to turkey five times before mohammed affected the lives. on two of those times, eli came with me and we also stay for two months during the state -- visit. it all seemed routine. i drove them to the airport on the day the travel and i was there as they went through ticketing and security. i blew kisses and wait to eli as eli waved bye-bye for mohammad shoulders. as i hold onto that happy last look at him i now realize mohammad actively -- we decided to separate. for the first two weeks of their trip i was able to visit with the light daily, but on march 22, 2010 my nightmare began. mo

well, khalid shaikh mohammed wouldn't have been captured without help from the pakistanis.ack to a historic relationship, the pakistani role has been very significant. >> it's interesting. let's try to figure this out. the united states goes into a country that is not our country. it's their country. yet we're able to track somebody within their country. that they can't track. how's that work? >> well, it works because you have a country like pakistan where everyone is not sharing the information across all levels. number one. number two, we have possession of information and capablabili s capabilitieses they don't. the statement pakistan released is factually accurate but doesn't tell the whole story. their government is schizophrenic and has been for years when it comes to the issue of al qaeda. they' this is a classic example of we the united states believing if we shared information we run the risk of blows the operation. speaks to how confident the president was in doing this operation, chris, but also how risky. he was willing to blow up our relationship with pakistan

the lie of khalid shaikh mohammed, the lie of al libi.two men lyinging about this courier made them understand that, in fact, the courier was actually important because they knew from other sources that the courier had been a protege of k.s.m. and he made believe he didn't know who he was. so bingo, right? then they had to go about finding him. >> reporter: investigators established the courier's name and begin to monitor his family's phone calls and e-mails. >> once they established one cell phone call then it was a question of making inquiries at the ground level, listening out for further calls. they were beginning to close in on him at this stage. what we believe happened is that al kuwaiti was tracked to a particular vehicle and once they found that vehicle perhaps in the environs of peshawar it was waiting to see where he went. >> last august,ing august 2010, they finally had the courier lead them to the compound. my source said to me -- one of my sources said to me, when we got a picture of that compound we said, wow, this is diffe

mohammed and al libi both lied about the courier, convincing the cia he was important.that courier ultimately led directly to the al qaeda leader. >> i watched a soldier, he grabbed a detainee that i was interrogating and began to choke him. and i had to physically intervene to stop him, and then my detainee quit talking. >> reporter: the white house is not ruling out the possibility that some useful information may have been obtained during enhanced interrogations. instead, they remain focused on what was, overall, an intelligence success. many years in the making. whit johnson, cbs news, the white house. >>> this morning on "the early show," the latest on the record floods in the mississippi valley. memphis is next on the high water list. we'll take you there. i'm terrell brown. this is the "cbs morning news." woman: till all the books are read... man: and all the pens are put down... woman: and everything there is to learn is learned. man: till the heroes retire and the monsters return to their dens... woman: and all the plots are wrapped up. man: till that day... bo

>> we are at war with usama bin laden. >> chris: we're at war with khalid sheikh mohammed. >> it was a military operation, right? it was absolutely appropriate for the seals to take the action, force it to take the action they took in this military operation. >> chris: but why is it inappropriate to get information from khalid sheikh mohammed? >> i didn't say it was inappropriate to get information from khalid sheikh mohammed. >> chris: you said it was against our values. >> i think the technique there has been a policy debate and the administration made our views known on that. >> chris: let me ask you about one aspect of this and we'll move on. the obama justtition department -- obama justice department reopened investigation of half dozen people who were involved after 9/11. this has been a closed investigation. it was reopened by your justice department on the issue of whether or not they were using undue force. we talked earlier with vice president cheney who says that investigation is an outrage. question: with interrogation, and you certainly have agreed, however it came. with

intelligence officials said that is a lot of intelligence officials to agree on that mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding." is that right? nothing to do with water boarding? did he actually gift information in a totally separate interrogation? >> i don't want to disappoint you, but as a member of the intelligence committee, i have to be very careful what i can bay is this matter. i would tell you though more broadly, i have learned, you have learned, the public has learned, we have generated almost all the information actionable and useful through what would be called civilized interrogation techniques. by befriending the individual, by treating the individual respectfully versus using torture techniques such as water boarding. history shows us that we not only can keep faith with our values and our constitution, but we can also generate the best kind of intelligence by treating people in a way that comports with the geneva convention, not violates the geneva convention. >> i think the second point is really imp

i was privy to the information from khalid sheik mohammed at the time. i'm not aware of any information or intelligence that was a product from water boarding. >> fbi agents that knew the most about these people before 9/11 refused to participate in anything involving water boarding. at a certain point that left them out of the process and it left the less experienced interrogators who were less informed than the fbi agents in the process. isn't that the way? >> not necessarily that sequence. there were teams of interrogators down at guantanamo bay. there was a criminal task force. which i was a deputy commander and special agent of federal agents. the fbi was there and the agents worked very closely together. on the other side were military intelligence interrogators at gitmo. the interdpators from the federal agencies who were deeply experienced in counterterrorism matters were still in there doing interrogations just refused to participate or condone or be involved in any manner with anything that was tantamount to what we believe to be torture and il

we water boarded khalid sheikh mohammed, obviously after this picture was taken because he clearly hadn't touched water for some time. now, at some point, at some point ksm gave up the nickname of one of bin laden's couriers. we followed that courier and that's how we nailed bin laden, therefore validating torture. but the "i want to be able to look my children in the eye" crowd refused to admit torture is the real hero here. >> torture is not moral. it's not legal. it's not effective. >> it was not torture or cruel, inhuman, degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads that ultimately enabled our intelligence community to find osama bin laden. >> all of our experience shows you generate better, more accurate information when you treat prisoners humanely, when you befriend them, when you connect with them. >> probably the most tortured detainee, kalil sheikh mohammed, watered boarded 180 time, did not divluge the name of his courier. >> stephen: he didn't give the name during waterboarding, but he was gave it eventually. we were just loosening the jar by holding it under w

once a promising amateur boxer himself, imam mohammed had 96 fights, winning the vast majority.using his hands to start building a dream. he's reaching out to young people trapped in tough corners, and risking a knockout punch in the process. do you have young people who have been in gangs? >> yes. >> reporter: wung people obviously involved in violence? >> yes. >> reporter: >> reporter: dropouts from school. >> yes. >> reporter: what is your hope for them when they walk in the door? >> i hope for them that they will immediately turn their life around. >> reporter: the idea of a religious man teaching a violent sport as a means of escaping violence is not without controversy. >> it's so unusual that we come under fire from even a lot of muslims. muslims will say, well, some think muslims aren't supposed to engage in boxing. you know, i think one of the greatest boxers of all time was mohamed ali who is gym is named after. i was a boxer for 18 years. kept me off the streets, out of trouble. kept me focused, gave me discipline. that's all we are really trying to offer. >> reporter

khalid shaikh mohammed claimed they'd never heard of the courier. the associated press reporting khalid shaikh mohammed confirmed knowing the courier but denied he had anything to do with al qaeda. "the washington post" reporting that other detainees pointed cia interrogators to a courier. clearly we do not have the definitive account of whether the information came from that led to osama bin laden. but we will get to the bottom of what we do know next with a very important source. with malcolm nance the chief of training at the navy's survival evasion, resistance and escape school. he testified in front of congress about how u.s. interrogators ended up water boarding and why. please stay tuned for that. >>> can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after bin laden? >> you know, brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information. and that was true here. we had a multibillion source, a multiable series of sources that provided information with regards to this

. >> narrator: mohammed daudzai is chief of staff to the afghan president, hamid karzai. he is worried that night raids do more harm than good. >> you have a village, has a very peaceful life, and in the middle of the night, people come and surround the village and search a few houses and take a few prisoners. and in that scuffle, a few of them are killed and women disgraced. the next day, what do you expect? the entire village youth becomes taliban. they are searching for the taliban to recruit them and give them weapons. >> narrator: general mcchrystal knew that night raids could turn the afghan population against american soldiers. he restricted conventional troops from conducting them, and instead ordered the elite forces of jsoc to take the lead. now they are doing six times as many night raids as they were two years ago. >> get over here, an open area. >> where? >> an open area, right over here, right behind him. >> narrator: jsoc has taken measures to reduce the offence these operations cause by involving locals. this military video shows afghan soldiers being trai