even here, one inmate did not hide his defiance and signed his name muhammed and alamein -- mohammed binl amin. but this prisoner is scared because he is from a place where the colonel is from. >> i thought that my life was cut when they took me. the guards told us that our existence meant nothing. i felt that i could be killed at any time. >> someone has been trying to destroy the evidence of what happened here. the ashes in this room are still hot. these libyan lawyers are removing the less -- the rest of the archives while they still can. they may be produced in court if colonel gaddafi and his associates ever face trial. >> thousands have lost loved ones in this place and in many other places. it is important that families know all the facts about what happened to them. >> 42 years of frightened faces are stored in fruit boxes. pictures of some prisoners children, too, taken from letters from their families. the lawyers think they founded a mission from 1200 prisoners who were killed here in a massacre in 1996. >> he died in 1996. >> and your father knew him? >> my father knew him. >

east, probably, and so you get a lot of immigration, and one of the people who immigrated was mohammed bin laden, the father of osama. but he was part of a pretty big movement. one thing that's interesting, bin laden's organizations, you'll find some of the key people are saudis but they actually have yemeni backgrounds like bin laden himself. for instance, the person regarded as the mastermind of the u.s.s. cole in yemen last year is someone whose family origin nays in yemen, grew up in saudi arabia like bin laden against the soviets. >> how close is yemen to afghanistan? >> quite some distance. you'd have to fly about 1,500 -- i'm guessing -- 1,500 miles, 1,000 miles, perhaps. >> what's the population of yemen? >> the population of yemen is 17 million, 18 million. one interesting thing is that they -- am i getting confused? i think the number of guns in yemen might be that number and the population -- >> i remember statistics 65 million guns and 18 million people. >> that's exactly right. 65 million guns, 18 million people. yemen is similar to afghanistan. i mean, physically it's very be

but there was some satisfaction in knowing that osama bin laden is dead and khalid shake mohamed and 9/11 is in custody and will be. >> you can watch it every day from 3:00 to 4:00 on abc7. >>> thousands of people finished a journey intended to help save lives today. they celebrated as they walked the final few hundred yards of the three-day for the cure. the three-day long 60-mile walk raises money to fight breast cancer. the walkers included several breast cancer survivors and relatives who lost loved ones to that disease. the walk stretched through several bay area communities friday, yesterday and today. >>> leigh glaser is here. >> a pretty good west wind out there. they are taking the thunderstorms out of the accu-weather forecast. you can see from the high definition sutro cam, and we have most of the low clouds that are positioned right near the coast. all that have will move on in. you saw how strong the west winds were. earlier today down toward the marina, and a pretty good push is what will push all of this inland. there is dense overcast and then by lunchtime we should b

bin laden dead. saddam hussein dead. abu musab al-zarqawi dead. khalid shake mohamed in custody. petreaus doesn't need to be out there anymore. however you feel about how this might have politically affected things in the middle east, how we might have been rejected by the man on the street, we have won the war on terror. >> not yet. >> stephen: well, we are winning. we are winning then. >> are we winning, or are the people in the region winning? >> stephen: we are winning because they didn't wage the war. it's our war, we waged the war. we got all these guys, and you say that al qaeda is... is al qaeda all busted up? >> no al qaeda is still a threat, but it's increasingly passe. >> stephen: passe? >> passe. >> stephen: they're not a pair of jeans. they're a criminal organization that is out to destroy the united states. what do you mean passe? they don't have support anymore? >> in egypt, a bunch of kids got out on the streets and did an -- in 18 days what osama bin laden and his former number two, now number one, an egyptian, couldn't do in 30 years. this is an extraordinary mo

financing that occurred in that case, the coordination, command and control by bin laden himself and khalid shaikh mohammed, that it would be very difficult to launch that type of attack on that scale as 9/11. but at this point, it doesn't have to be that large of an attack. a couple of individuals with handguns, explosives, assault rifles, vehicles carrying any number of incendiary or explosive devices could do a great deal of damage without having the sophistication or planning required for 9/11. >> that's precisely the point that president obama made to me when i interviewed him a few weeks ago in iowa and i asked him about the concern around the tenth anniversary of 9/11. he suggested that authorities were especially concerned about that so-called lone wolf terrorist out there, along the lines of what happens in norway, who could kill a whole lot of people, go after soft targets and cause quite a panic. that lone wolf scenario is very concerning to the fbi, isn't it? >> it's very concerning and it may not just be an individual lone wolf but a handful of people. recall the mumbai attack in november of 2

contention if you know that by waterboarding a fat pig jerk like khalid sheikh mohammed can you save lives and eventually get usama bin of it, and you don't do it, that's immoral to me. >> bill: i think you and i agree on that 100%. yesterday on the fact were to we had al gore comparing global warming to racism. i want to resh the memory. >> my generation asks older people explain to me why it's okay to discriminate against people because their skin color is different and when they couldn't really answer that question with integrity, the change really started. we still have racism, god knows. but it is so different now. so much better. and we have to win the conversation on climate. >> bill: with all due respect to the former vice president. he is a strange guy. isn't he? >> yeah. >> bill: just the presentation. we still have racism but it's much better. it's like, you know, we still have maple syrup but this is better. >> this is a rollie polykid whose old man goes up to the hill and leaves him alone. he like the elbow would he eloie willard. he falls quite short becoming relevant. >> bill: bring up racism about ever

like his army, his terrorist group had been foretold by the prophet mohammed more than 1,000 years ago. he didn't want to be osama bin radical son. he wanted to be by the great prophet of islam to lead a great army that could not be defeated. the insight into the self-concept of osama bin laden and the tactics gives us the title of ali soufan's book "the black banners." he is our guest for the interview tonight. he's an american muslim born in lebanon. a handful of arabic speaking fbi agents. he joined the bureau in 1997 and brought with him an obsessive interest in al qaeda and particularly in osama bin laden. mr. soufan was still a rookie in his first year at the fbi when the u.s. embassies in kenya and tanzania were bombed. when he asked his supervisor if he knew who was responsible for the bombings his supervisor replied, still unclear, but quote, i think it might be your guy. meaning it might be osama bin laden, the guy ali soufan as a rookie in the fbi had been all over. two years later al qaeda bombed the uss cole. ali soufan was chasing the attack and bin laden when september 11th happened. within a week of 9

their ringleader, mohammed atta, grew up in a middle class cairo neighborhood. so did osama bin laden's top deputy, now running al qaeda, dr. ayman al-awahiri. egypt was an incubator of militant political islam, aiming to overthrow secular governments and replace them with islamic ones. in the '90s, the movement also drew the u.s., long a supporter of secular arab regimes, into its sights. we've come to cairo to explore that history, and find out if that ideology still has appeal, even after the arab spring. as a young man in the '70s, zawahiri was a leader in a new breakaway radical islamic movement, egyptian islamic jihad. it was banned from taking part in politics. in the early '80s, zawahiri and his cohorts turned words into violent actions. the radical movements first really spectacular attack took place here 30 years ago. president anwar sadat, reviewing a military parade, was gunned down. that event, so remote from the daily lives of americans at the time, set off a chain reaction that climaxed in the september 11 attacks on the united states. sadat's successor, the new p

mohamed rashed daoud al-'owahali. he led them to a safe house in yemen that acted as a kind of terrorist telephone exchange, relaying messages to and from bin laden in afghanistan. >> certainly after the embassy bombing in africa in '98, it was very obvious that what john was saying was right, that this was more than a nuisance, that this was a real threat. but i don't think everyone came to the understanding that it was an existential threat. question was, "yeah, this... this group is more than a nuisance, but are they worth going to war with? after all, they've only attacked two embassies, and maybe that's a cost of doing business. this kind of thing happens. yes, we shoutqe and some energy trying to get béiority we have."swó+;umber >> narrator: at just this time in new york, a new crisis was emerging that would eventually get the entire bureau's attention. o'neill's international contacts were on full alert about the upcoming millennium celebrations, and o'neill was lobbying for a full-blown fbi response in the united states. >> the millennium, not only because of what that represented symbolically-- which, again, raises its danger valu

mohammed as the mastermind of 9/11. >> logan: ali soufan has never shown his face on tv, but tonight, he tells "60 minutes" about interrogating and outwitting some of bin laden's lieutenants. >> and i said, "well, i know that al qaeda did that. someone told me." he said, "who told you?" i said, "you did." he totally collapsed. >> logan: he collapsed? >> he put his hands like this on his face and went down. and he starts shaking. he knew what he did. >> logan: he knew that he... >> he just gave up bin laden, he just gave up al qaeda on 9/11. >> he comes in, his hands are cupped. and he's got bones in his hands. and he goes up to the medical examiner and he puts the bones in front of him and he goes, "this is my son." >> pelley: it was after hearing story after story like this that dr. benjamin luft decided to compile the world trade center oral history project-- unedited, unvarnished reality as experienced by the responders to ground zero. >> it was crazy. >> it was almost like taking a civics class as to what is important about being a citizen. what is important about being a human being. what is important to being an american. >> i'm steve kroft. >> i

mohammed jamjoom, thank you. >>> released a statement in part saying, "for the past several years, al awlaki has been more dangerous than even osama binking is on the phone right now joining us live. congressman kill, tell us, how vital is this? >> very vital. the head of the national terrorism center testified before the homeland security committee that awlaki was more dangerous than bein laden. he was the greatest threat to our country. the main reason being, he was american and understood american life. he was really involved one way or the other since september 11th. you mentioned the christmas day bombing and the people linked to awlaki. he was attempting to link up with al shabab and he was emerging clearly in the al qaeda world as one of their top leaders. he was not the head of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and i can tell you that u.s. intelligence officials were most, most concerned about awlaki. we had a hearing committee scheduled for next month on the extent from awlaki. >> you have been briefed for some time about efforts to get him. i assume you will likely be briefed again on details of this attack later on today. a