>> well, so there were, there weren't great rules about campaign finance in moldova. you know, their first ever elections, there was, you know, a lot of use of state funds in electioneering. folks who were sitting in the parliament were, an existing parliament were running around in state cars doing their campaigning. >> this has been a communist governed country? >> communist governed country. and then i had a great, i had a great teacher in law school, lani guinier, who really opened my eyes to a number of issues related to democratic process. and it's been a set of issues that i've cared about ever since. >> what are you after in new york state? >> so we're after a comprehensive system of campaign finance reform. i got involved in this really actively after citizens united on the belief that there is still despite the supreme court's rulings that there is a suite of reforms that would be transformative in the way that money flows in and around politics. and that's now on the table in new york state. it starts with disclosure obviously. but it really focuses around

>> my first real job out of college, i ended up spending almost two months in moldova, the republic of moldova, working with a usaid-funded foundation dealing with their first ever parliamentary elections. i was there on the ground for two months. that was my first taste of really how rules matter in the way that elections are conducted and how sometimes the unwritten rules matter, too -- >> the unwritten rules? such as? >> well, so there were, there ren't great rules about ampan finae molva. u know, their first ever elections, there was, you know, a lot of use of state funds in electioneering. folks who were sitting in the parliament were, an existing parliament were running around in state cars doing their campaigning. >> this has been a communist governed country? >> communist governed country. and then i had a great, i had a great teacher in law school, lani guinier, who really opened my eyes to a number of issues related to democratic process. and it's been a set of issues that i've cared about ever since. >> what are you after in new york state? >> so we're after a comprehensive