molly jong-fast is als back with us thank you both for joining me. describe painful and traumati experiences because they wer not able to receive the care that they needed as a physician, talk to us a bit about the serious medica consequences that people fac in these positions >> absolutely, thank you s much for having me. let me begin by saying clearly that this is not medicine. this i not care. this is not the righ way to take care of people. it is not what i train for 15 years in medical school, fellowship to do. when we thin about what it means to acces reproductive health care i this country and what folk with the capacity for pregnanc in texas are facing we kno that it is just the tip of the iceberg and we will continue t see these cases spread out around the country as th attacks on our health, our rights, our agency, ou autonomy continue. and it is dangerous. it is not jus inconvenient to have to travel where many people traveling is dangerous. the inability t access care in our community i unsafe >> molly, in a another lawsuit of texas, a ma

msnbc analyst molly jong-fast is back with us. playbook for that. it's interesting, you and i have been around campaigns enough to know that -- what was tested in focus groups, this idea -- unlike him except like the drama. i'm like him, except i understand bureaucracy. i'm just not sure those things, even if they are tested, and even if voters say this is the thing you like about ron desantis more than you like about donald trump. >> no, for one very important reason, rhonda scent is it's just not the inspirational or angry person that has let up the republican base for the last six years. and so there are two sides to the same coin. one is ron desantis is disciplined and clearly many of these lines, as you point out, are prepared. but the flip side of that, he's untested on the international stage. and it's weird to think of the governor of the state of florida have been untested. but truly, this is someone who sat down with a boat who doesn't engage with the press. everything he does has been crafted. and you simply can't maint

become the first former american president to b indicted joining me now to break all of this down, molly jong-fastthe fast politic podcast and specia correspondent for vanity fai and cynthia alksne, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analysts thank you both for joining me. cynthia, i want to start wit you, what do you make of bragg 's invitation to donald trum to come and testify? there's a signal to you that charges are on the horizon >> yes, it definitely does i don't think trump will g testify. he does not even provide emails, he will certainly not go to grand jury and start talking i do not expect him to come. i think brad will go o television i don't think that is proper i think you should stay in his office and work, but it does seem to me that and indictment there is imminent. there is a confluence of all these events is overwhelming right now. we have an indictment that may be coming out of new york. we have an indictment in fulto county that looks like it is coming we have to each eco case to be tried in april, and we have th dominion suit which has a lo to do with trump and lies.

joining us now the host of the fast politics podcast, molly jong fast.or the third candidate. >> i think there's an appetite. the thought leaders of the republican party who don't want trump and maybe even don't want desantis. yeah, i mean, there's an appetite. here's the problem, the base is in control. what are they going to do? we know you like trump but what about this other guy, i think ultimately the problem, they can't bait and switch with the base. >> so there's been a little buzz about youngkin, whether it's youngkin, pence, or haley, anyone who has a good story to tell the voters? >> trump is not a normal candidate. he's never going to take the high road. ultimately whoever you have going to go scorched earth. i don't see a world where that person survives that. >> your latest in vanity fair is titled this, his spokesman was like, well, we don't really have any evidence. talk about a walk back. then it's been breathless impeachment coverage. he's raised a ton of money in the pac and the campaign. it's been a boom for him. also, the politician w

joining me now is ana marie cox, contributed editor - and molly jong-fast, editor fo vanity fair, andpolitics podcast, good to se you both molly, it struck me that republicans wasted no time defending trump. i want you to take a liste just a snapshot of how they're working to undermine publi perception of this new york investigation >> two wrongs don't make a right going after your political adversary an president trump isn't gonn make you a virtue. it's gonna descend all o america into further chaos not what we need at all. alvin bragg is doing is wrong, he should be going after donal trump, period. >> a viable question for the american people. as whether or not you have a progressive prosecutor using the justice system to go out political enemies. for a political splash and that seems to be the cas here with the manhattan da. >> that repeats what we hear from trump, it repeats what we heard from mccarthy, it -- and they're repeating th talking point. i wonder how you think a possible indictment landin with the gop vase given there's an ongoin conversation about his electability >> i