david jolly and molly jong-fast, they're back with us.ly where i was going to go. what do. >> republicans and. >> congress do here? >> i would be surprised. >> if they shut. >> down the department of education, in. >> part because everything. >> donald trump. is announcing reflects. >> just a. >> huge dose. >> of ignorance by. >> himself in the white house. what do i. mean by that? we all know that most schools. >> are funded at the. >> local level. >> the import of the department of education really impacts the communities with most need. >> those who. >> are underfunded. >> those school districts who are underfunded. >> who lack equity compared. >> to other schools or programs that support individuals with. >> disabilities and other special needs environments. >> and so what are you really. >> trying to shut down here? and i think where it's in in tension as well, is this proposal that somehow they're going to have federal vouchers and create. >> some federal school choice program. well, choose your direction. >> because there aren't. s

we are back with our panel, eddie glaude, molly jong-fast and denver riggleman. denver.chris murphy is not necessarily known as a democratic activist, if you will, very much so known for his bipartisan work in the united states senate. but i think the fact that he is, is speaking about not having a democracy in six months is something to take to heart. one of the things that this administration is doing, or they have this double speak, right? they say they're not going to touch medicaid and social security. the president says that. and then literally they put forward legislation that cuts medicaid and social security. and he had all these lies in the speech about all these people over the age of 100 getting checks. and i just kept thinking, why is he saying this? this has been debunked. is he saying this as a pretext to be able to cut social security, make severe cuts? you've got people warning about, like governor o'malley warning that next month people could potentially not get their checks. this is life or death for many americans out there, is it not? >> it is. and,

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molly jong-fast, and president of the national action network and host of msnbc's politics nation, thens or from your own experience. >> that you wanted to impart. >> on to others, particularly women. >> maybe even women. >> of color. >> in leadership roles? >> well, when i wrote. >> this book. >> i primarily wanted. >> to talk about my career as a black. >> female ceo. >> i started out as general counsel of bet and. >> worked my way over to the business side. >> but i looked. >> around when i. >> left bet and viacom in 2018 and realized. >> there were very few. black female ceos. still. >> after i had. >> done it for 13 years, and i. wanted to show young women that it. >> was. >> possible. you can do it. >> it's something. >> you can. >> dream about. i never. wanted to be a ceo, but it worked out for me and i worked. >> hard and i. >> was, you know, associated with. >> a great company. >> but i wanted. >> to tell my. particular story. >> so hopefully to. inspire young women. >> and. >> men. >> and i've. >> had men come up to. >> me on the street corner. >> and say, you. >> know, miss

. >> molly jong-fast. >> special correspondent. >> for. vanity fair and msnbc contributor. >> and pulitzer prize winning david rohde. >> he's an nbc national security editor and author of the book. >> where tyranny begins. >> the justice. >> department. >> the fbi. >> and the war. on democracy. >> david, you have. >> been covering. >> foreign. affairs for a long, long time. >> i want. >> your reaction. six hours after watching what you saw in the. >> white house. >> but i. want to. >> understand. >> how did you feel. >> watching it in. >> the moment? what went. >> through your mind? >> shock. you know, it was extraordinary. unprecedented. >> and it was. a role. >> reversal in. >> that you have an american president. >> you know. >> normally the american president is like defending. >> the democracy. >> the nascent. >> democracy. >> this this young. president of ukraine. and as you know, the danger is the autocrat, often russia. >> so it. >> was. this sort of stunning role. reversal and it just amazed me. but the tone was what was so unusua

molly jong-fast, special correspondent for vanity fair and msnbc contributor and pulitzer prize winning. david rohde. he's an nbc national security editor and author of the book where tyranny begins the justice department. the fbi, and the war on democracy. david, you have been covering foreign affairs for a long, long time. i want your reaction. six hours after watching what you saw in the white house. but i want to understand, how did you feel watching it in the moment? what went through your mind? >> shock. >> you know, it was extraordinary. unprecedented. >> and it was. >> a role reversal. >> in that you. >> have an american president. >> you know, normally. >> the american president. >> is like defending the democracy, the. >> nascent democracy. >> this this young. >> president of ukraine. >> and as you know, the. the. danger is the autocrat. >> often russia. >> so it was this sort of stunning role reversal. >> and it. >> just. amazed me. >> but the tone. >> was what was so unusual. >> and one last thing. >> i'm not surprised by the way trump acted in this book i wrote about the ju

also with us for the conversation, special correspondent at vanity fair, molly jong-fast. amazing.s on this. >> thank you. >> you sound amazing. and, sarah, this isn't your first. you're like a broadway veteran. little shop of horrors, and now this. do you love it? i mean, we know her from modern family. yes. but how is how is bringing the great gatsby to life on stage for you? >> oh. >> my gosh. >> a dream. a dream come true. >> i love the theater so much. it's like a second home to me. and it's so wonderful to be back and to be with this amazing group of people, and to be able to have the opportunity and honor and privilege to play. >> such an iconic. >> character as daisy buchanan is just daunting and terrifying and delightful and exhilarating all at once. >> amazing. and ryan, you guys have great chemistry offstage, the two of them finishing each other's sentences, making crazy. >> sounds. and so. >> the read. >> you picked. >> up on our. >> very major vibe. >> yeah, it's. >> a little. >> cray, right? >> absolutely. >> definitely. >> well. >> jay gatsby and. >> daisy. >> buchan