and in washington, molly mccue, she was an adviser to georgia i from 2008 to 2013. nadia, is what we're watching right now policy being made on the fly, or does vladimir putin have a very specific outcome in mind, and did he when all this began? >> you actually used a phrase a describing the sochi olympics saying a new russia was on display. there is a new ideology that has been in the making for quite some time to put russia back on the world stage as a power for recognize conne reckoned with. and his believe is that he's moving russia towards, creating a russian world. he believes that ukraine and incidentally belarus also belongs to this russian world, and any ethnic russians that happen to be beyond the current border of russia also belong to that world. this is the direction he is heading in, and this has been in the planning for a long time, for a while. >> katherine, do you agree? even if the demonstrations in the maidan had not taken place, vladimir putin was going to try to get his arms around ukraine? >> i think nadia is right to some degree, but i disagre