mommy did this. mommy did that. she never testified that mommy had penetrated her or had any sexual motive. just testified about the paring. >> larry: how were you reacting during all of this, david, in court? >> i was actually outside the courtroom. i was a witness in the trial. >> larry: why were you a witness? >> because i was around, married to tonya, around the children. >> larry: he testified for the defense that he never saw anything. >> david was an excellent witness. a truer guy you couldn't find. he sat there and endured -- tremendously vicious cross-examination. she didn't do it. she would never do it. this would never happen. i was there. the kids weren't there. unfortunately the two little girls convinced this happened to them and now they're really vick ties of this process, testified, about things that happened when david and other people were there. they weren't w. >> larry: did the parents testify? >> yes, they did. >> larry: they weren't there. what did they have to say? >> they -- well, tonya has

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think we need to teach our children that if anyone ever does try to take them away, they are to yell, mommydaddy, help me or even fire. yes, that is a good observation. how could there be so many witnesses around, children and adults and not have noticed a child being abducted. >> larry: jane, she did take the child to the science fair, right? that's a fact. >> well, i wasn't there, larry. but what's fascinating. >> larry: there's pictures him, right? >> at 1:21 -- she drops the kid off at 8:20 a.m. at 1:21 she posts a photo of the little boy standing in front of his science fair project on her facebook page. there are questions swirling, is it photo shopped. you can see in the background it looks like a little girl and a man with a plaid shirt. people are wondering who is that person. i think there's a lot of detective work to be done here. i'm sure a key to this entire puzzle is her computer. and i'm sure authorities are honing in on that as well. >> larry: and our producer in charge here has an interesting question. marc, who's abducted more, boys or girls? >> i think the most vulnerable

you've written, i know, susan, very eloquently about this, but lauren used to scream, "mommy, make ittop, make it stop." >> susan axelrod: there's nothing worse than... you know, than having your child cognizant enough to know what's going on and know what's happening and begging you to help, and you can't do anything. >> couric: lauren is now 29 years old. her brain was damaged by the severity and frequency of her seizures, and she's living at the misericordia home for the developmentally disabled in chicago. do you remember what it felt like to have a seizure? >> lauren axelrod: it felt like it was really scary when i had them. >> couric: like what? can you describe it? >> lauren axelrod: like that i was feeling like i was going to fall down when i had them. >> david axelrod: the other half of the story isn't just what happened during the seizures, but between the seizures, because the medications and the treatments were so hard, and they impacted on her personality, and they impacted on her cognition, they impacted on her ability to walk. >> lauren axelrod: i'm lauren. i'm 18 years