mona charen, we will begin with you. guest: i have a different view of the divorce laws and alimony. i actually think that the movement towards no-fault divorce was not an advantage for women. what happened is that both no-fault divorce and treating mothers and fathers as absolutely equivalent when it came to child custody decisions meant, as david frum pointed out in his book, how we got here, that it gave men, that is, husbands who were divorcing, more power within the relationship. they could threaten to contest for custody of the children and sort of force their wives to accept less in alimony thereby, and sure enough that is what happened. alimony went down after the introduction of no-fault divorce. so it was definitely a mixed picture, and so many of the couples that have divorced, and we have data on this, about 2/3 of annual divorces are from couples who have when the divorce is initiated no open conflict, no serious conflict. once the divorce process gets going, it sometimes reaches that level. but divorce has

mona charen. friedan, whose book "the feminine mystique" was credited with sparking the second wave of feminism in the 1960's. she talked about why the book and movement was necessary. -- 1968,an history tv america in turmoil. here is betty friedan. >> this separate view of women, the feminine mystique. we had to get rid of that. we had to break through that. we had to say, women are people. know more, no less -- no more, no less. in order to consciously fight for, realize we were entitled to the same opportunities to participate in society, the same opportunities to control our own destiny, the same right to participate in society to control our own destiny as men had. when you think about it, the modern woman's movement in america is supposed to have begun with my book the feminine in 1963. and we are 37 years later, and we really have transformed society. in 1963. they weren't asking in 1963, what do you want to be, little girl, when you grow up? you are a pretty little girl, you will be a momm

mona charen, the legacy 50 years later of the women's movement. mona: very mixed.iously, some good things have happened. liberty, expanding opportunities for women has been terrific. the damage, though, to family life and to a sense of solidarity with men has been lost. we have had 50 years of basically sex wars in various forms. it has led to a sum total of unhappiness in the world. what i would hope for feminism going forward would be the acknowledgment of the real differences between men and women. a recognition that women cannot thrive at the expense of men. that we thrive first and foremost as families. third, that devoting ourselves to our children is one of the best things that human beings do. we have to figure out better ways of prioritizing families and children together. host: 50 years later, the legacy? debora spar? debora: i think that when asked what he thought of the french revolution, he said too early to tell. we are still in the early days. i tend to think of things in the broad swaths of history. men and women lived in narrowly circumscribed role

thank you to mona charen one more time. [applause] she will come to the signing table and will be happy to sign them for you or purchase them. thank you very much. we will see you next month. [inaudible conversations] >> we found out over the last two years those narratives that were introduced into the 2016 election were not of american origin. they were crafted by our intelligence agencies outside of the united states and those who grew up in the cold war. i had seen them before. things were very slow burning propaganda warfare techniques used by russia that could never keep pace with the news media world of the 1960s, 70s, 80s, only with social media that came to the power to pick up a fake story and affect those people inside your facebook channel or twitter feed to create an unbreakable leak of a false narrative. nothing you believe before could ever be real because you would abandon that it is super reinforced by everybody that you know including the president. >> called the soul of america i have heard him discuss it

he wrote, i admit i have not read mona charen's new book. [laughter] my late father was fond of saying don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up. that is only my second favorite quotation for my father. best line was in the form of a question. why are they are there so many more horses asses than there are horses? [laughter] i've been doing interviews since the book was published on some and asked me what prompted you to write this book i do not have a pithy response ready. i wish i had just said because i'm happy and i want more people to be able to say that. i have been married for almost 30 years. we have three sons. this does not make me -- sorry, we have three grown sons and i cheerfully cut back on my work while my boys were young. this does not make me a freak but puts me in the mainstream of married women. we live in an era where fewer and fewer adults are marrying in the divorce rate is high and bitterness between men and women seems to worsen all the time. lena dunham, who has built a persona as a spokeswoman for women wo

mona charen. andrew: i was going to make two points -- mona: i was going to make two points. women were included, so sex was added so that all of the rights guaranteed under that act, it was very clear applied to women as well. this comment here so often that women did not have any right, miss griffis said in the tape and you heard it a lot and you still do that women didn't receive the right to vote until the 1920's and therefore they had no rights, that is not true. the fact is if a woman were accused of a crime, she had the right not to incriminate herself, she had the right to a trial by jury. she had the right to speak, the right to practice her face. she had -- her faith. she had all of the rights. even though there is no equal rights amendment, it was never said those rights were meant to apply only to men. they are universal. steve: debora, do you want to respond? debora: i think that is accurate but clearly there are significant number of women in this country who feel that despite having these rights, the basic rights enumerated in the constitution, women's reality

our guests are debora spar and mona charen. she is the author of the upcoming book, sex matters, how -- she is the author of the upcoming book, sex matters, how modern feminism lost touch with science and common sense. first, here is betty friedan from they now -- from explaining may 9, 2000, why a renewed women's movement was necessary in the 1960's. betty: this separate view of women, we had to get rid of that. we had to break through that. we had to say, women are people, no more, no less. to consciously fight for and

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