whose deputy i became -- senator mondale, what's your thought? >> those of us supporting humphrey thought exactly that. the convention was one night, the big night was his birthday. and if the convention had decided to go for -- lyndon, it would have been a birthday party. we, by the time the convention got started, we didn't have any opponents any more. some of it for tragic reasons, but we -- we should have been the clear putative nominee so we could have made a more successful convention. >> the people with the president did not let up, on almost anything. we tried to get a compromise on the vietnam war, and we had the kennedy people -- there was a chance that we could have built a bridge there. and but they wouldn't, they wouldn't let it happen. and it was only that night when humphrey gave his acceptance speech and you came up on the platform, that the party, and the convention was finally his. but it was too late. it's -- so i think there was another agenda there. >> what do you think, bill? >> i wasn't in the white house at that time. i ha

walter mondale.is was your day of glee in 1984. >>> to keep his job, president obama will need to win big in large cities like philadelphia and the surrounding suburbs. republicans are working hard to turn pennsylvania red. mayor michael nutter of philadelphia joins me now. thank you so much for being on the program. >> thank you. >> for president obama to win pennsylvania, he will need a huge outpouring of support around philadelphia. he had 54% of the vote back in 2008, especially in those surrounding areas. do you see a sort of sense of a less enthusiasm this time around to the president's policies, specifically in the surrounding suburbs, main line areas of philadelphia that he so desperately needs? >> two things. one, let me mention i appreciate you mentioning i'm president of the u.s. conference of mayors. the conference itself is a nonpartisan and, actually bipartisan organization. so i'll speak to these particular issues as -- just as the mayor of the city of philadelphia. i'm a democrat, str

. >> yes, i had really interesting to interviews with mondale and hart, mondale i talked to him after the tragic death of his the daughter eleanor and something he learned from seeing people on the iron range, and other places how devastating it was when people lost their jobs, lost their houses and you had to be able to show that and he felt that he, by his, president mondale hadn't been able to do it enough and a challenge for a president obama. gary hart made the point, his natural register was foreign policy, racial policies, et cetera and a month before the election, the world changed, and economic disaster, which he didn't really know anything about was going to be the defining issue. >> rose: he had no experience in foreign policy. >> correct, but he could say again, hillary clinton who had so much experience, the right call. >> rose: on the iraq war. bush 41 seems to look better and better with time, and the appreciation, you think sat fair? >> absolutely. >> rose: or right? >> absolutely. i think it is fair and right. >> rose: and also violates the idea that, you know, it is

she ran alongside walter mondale against ronald reagan and george bush the elder, and walter mondale and geraldine ferraro got crushed. they lost that election by an enormous margin. they lost 49 states. this is what the electoral map looked like in 1984. just a sea of red. and now, what is mostly forgotten to history about that election in which geraldine ferraro did not become the first woman vice president. what is largely forgotten about that election is a tax return scandal which among other things showed that geraldine ferraro and her husband owed more than $50,000 in back taxes. turned up on their tax returns. they blamed it on an error blamed by an accountant. they paid off the back taxes, although the geraldine ferraro financial mess was a fascinating little election jeer scandal, it does not tend to be cited as a key factor in the spectacular loss in 1984. the reason we care at all about the geraldine ferraro tax scandal that has mostly been forgotten, the only reason it matters is because it represents as big a scandal as there is in american politics stemming from a candi

ideas might have saved mondale's nomination to, no end in '84.adly to ronald reagan. >> i would love to go on and on but we need to wrap. dr. allan lichtman, republican strategist jack burkeman, thank for coming in. >>> up next get ready to feel the effects of the nationwide drought. the feds predict food spices are about to spike. >> plus new details on the cheating scandal that's rocked hollywood and angered twilight fans worldwide. >> and we are keeping a close eye on line of severe thunderstorms passing through our region. sue has the latest on her full forecast coming up. >>> businesses are still bottoming, the only big bright spot airplanes. the report fuming that america's manufacturing sector is -- fueling that america's manufacturing sector is slowing down, but markets jumping amid talks of yet another bailout in europe but starbucks warning the slump around the globe is beginning to eat into profits, the coffee giant lowering expectations. facebook oping its books as a -- opening its books as a publicly traded company, revenues growing

again, nobody accused walter mondale or jimmy carter or bill clinton of being a foreigner. >> what iay, chris, is that yes, it does have some political utility. it works now because it strikes a deeper cord. this is what senator mccarthy was trying to do. t trying to whip up and make people alien, foreign, and then make them radio active so you can do anything you want to them. >> well, mccarthy was drunk most of the time and wrong all the time. before he became elected, a couple of communists they did find, but i want to thank you guys. great to have you on. up next, the first couple on the kiss cam. we're going to lighteni things up. there he goes. romeo. this is "hardball." stay with us. the place for politics. [ female announcer ] with the e-trade 360 investing dashboard. free streaming quotes, all your investments, positions, and even your trade ticket are all on one customizable page. see the 360 investing dashboard at e-trade. [romney singing]: oh beautiful, for spacious skies, i'm barack obama and i approve this message. for amber waves of grain, for purple mountains majesty,

again, nobody accused walter mondale or jimmy carter or bill clinton of being a foreigner. in their thinking. >> what i want to say, chris, is that yes, it does have some political utility. it works now because it strikes a deeper cord. but it is not only ethnic. i think this is cane to what senator mccarthy was trying to do. trying to whip up and make people alien, foreign, and then make them radioactive so you can do anything you want to them. >> well, mccarthy was drunk most of the time and wrong all the time. before he became elected, a couple of communists they did find, but i want to thank you guys. eugene robinson, great to have you on as always. keep it up. up next, the first couple on the kiss cam. we're going to lighten things up. why it took them two efforts to get this right here. romeo. there he is. thanks. this is "hardball." stay with us. the place for politics. ♪ hello...rings ♪ what the... what the... what the... ♪ are you seein' this? ♪ ♪ uh-huh... uh-huh... uh-huh... ♪ ♪ it kinda makes me miss the days when we ♪ ♪ used to rock the microphone ♪ back when o

that didn't work out so well for mondale. >> well, he didn't have to wait for charlotte.said two days ago that he wanted to end the taxes on the wealthy. so it's already at that point. by the way, that has been a consistent position of president obama. it was his position in 2008. and now he's saying it's something different, that if they don't let this -- they don't raise taxes on top earners, that he's going to veto the whole bill, which is taking it to a new realm, if you will. but certainly he should say that in charlotte. he said it two days ago -- >> but, stan, you know the republicans will use this -- >> please! >> -- obama only wants to raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes they seem to be pretty happy with those statements. >> i think it's an old song, and right now this is a consensus position. there's something like 75% of the country that thinks we need to raise taxes, particularly on the wealthy. it runs across all parties. this is one of the few non-polarizing consensus issues in the country. the country is desperate for it. they want to see that everyone is

approved that. >> walter mondale proved that on the tax issue, for sure.act is the deadline is coming. i'm not as pessimistic. it's so insane to go over the fiscal cliff that i have to believe at the end of the day people avoid that. what's starting to happen, you're starting to see in the markets nervousness about this. people are starting to focus on it. there's something called the fear index. there are other indices around all suggesting that. this is starting now to get through to the investor community that we have a problem. >> just one other point is there is some conversation on the hill. there was a politico story yesterday that mccain, lindsey graham and other big players, john kerry and others are talking about taxes. >> i think there are a lot of conversations going on on the hill among the responsible people including a lot of the people you just mentioned who recognize that going over the cliff is crazy. but it's kind of a little bit like -- it's a lot of foreplay. i don't think they're really yet down to anything serious. the other thing ha

it's george mcgovern and walter mondale. a key address from robert caro. at 2:00 and 10:00 p.m., the writings and observations of french aristocrat and his conceptions of liberty, equality and community and commentator michael barone. american history tv wednesday july 4th on c-span 3. >> the life of a sailor included scrubbing a deck and working on the sails and climbing the lost. the gun drill practice and by the end of the day, you are ready for rest. you don't get a full eight hours of sleep. it's four hours on, four hours off. >> this weekend on american history tv, the life of an enlisted man on the uss constitution during the war of 1812. >> the sailor lived in fear over being whipped. it was always carried by a petty officer in a bag and the thing a sailor never wanted to see was petty officer getting ready for a nothinging. it's a phrase we still use today. don't let the cat out of the bag. we don't want to see them coming out of the bag. >> that's sunday at 7:00 p.m. eastern and specific. more from the contenders. our series on key political figu

they include walter mondale and bill moiers. and at 2:00 any 10:00, the rightings and observations of 19th century aristocrat alexis tocqueville from michael barron. american history tv all day this wednesday, july 4th on c-span3. >> the life of the sailor included scrubbing the deck in the morning and working on the sails, climbing aloft, whatever with the duties assigned, gun drill practice and by the end of the day you're ready for rest and you don't get sleep and it's four hours on, four hours off. >> this weekend on american history tv, the life of an enlisted man aboard "the uss constitution"bu during the war 1812. >> it was always carried by a petty officer in a bag and the thing the sailor never wanted to see was a pty officer who was getting red for a flogging. it's a phrase you still use today, don't let the cat out of bag for a flogging. >> more from the contenders. the series on key political figures who ran for president and lost, but changed political history. sunday, 1928 democratic presidential candidate al smith

. >> senator mondale, i'm really struck by what i'm hearing here. here is a man who called people when he needed help and was not afraid to say i really need some help here. i really need you to help me. you're kind of -- you can talk about both of these worlds. how is, and bill touched on this. how is washington today different from what it was in those days? >> i think bill touched on it. i'm i would say depressed about it. i was there in the senate, a young man, replaced humphry who became vice president. johnson was in his honeymoon period. he had this wonderful program of social justice that i believed in and believe in today. and he was using his energy and his strength, we talked about it, to keep the system moving. and he did it on a bipartisan basis. don't forget that about 20 democrats were southerners. and most of them were committed to discrimination, and that was the center of their political careers. a lot of good people there, but that was the reality. so in order to get progressive legislation passed, the numbers told you unless you

if i'm right, george, you will celebrate your 90th birthday, 90 years young. [ applause ] walter mondale, vice president of the united states under jimmy carter. [ applause ] god, don't we wish we had men like that in washington today? [ applause ] i got to know -- he was attorney general of minnesota, then he was appointed senator in 1964 to take hubert humphries' a place when lbj was elected president and humphry vice president. 1966 he was elected in his own right, democratic party nominee for president in 1994 and ambassador to japan for four years in the 1990s. he is still practicing law in minneapolis, and when he was vice president, i think it's fair to say that no one was more responsible for my getting the job as secretary of hew than you are. wonderful, wonderful man. bill moyers. [ applause ] one of our -- one of our country's most prolific and respected journalists. a 40-year run on public broadcasting with a new series this year, i think it's "moyers & a company." he helped organize the peace corps. he was press secretary and a close confidante of lbj, publisher of newsday.

walter mondale, vice president of the united states under jimmy carter. don't we wish we had men like that in washington today. i got to -- he was the attorney general of minnesota, then he would be, he was appointed senator in 1964 to take hubert humphrey's place when lbj was elected president. in 1966 he was elected in his own right. as the democratic party nominee for president in 1984. ambassador to japan. for four years. in the 1990s. he is still practicing law in minneapolis and when he was vice president, i think it's fair to say that no one was more responsible for getting my job as secretary of h.e.w., than you were. a wonderful, wonderful -- man. >> bill moyers, probably -- well -- one of our, one of our countries d most prolific and respected journalists. 35 emmys, a 40-year run on public broadcasting with a new series this year. i think it's "moyers and company." he helped to organize peace corps. he was press secretary and a close confidante of lbj, publisher of "newsday." when bill called me, i was working in the pentagon. when bill called m

mondale campaign. >> greg: since you soak the rich, i'm going to soak you. >> bob: go ahead.e of you who don't know it, eric used to be a big league baseball player. if he doesn't get this, he is a total and complete wuss. oh, no! oh, no! >> kimberly: we're going to get you, bob. >> bob: gee, a baseball player. the baseball, oh, another one. missed it again. oh, no! [ cheers & applause ] >> bob: i don't know who set that up. you did not hit it here. thank you for that, dana. that will haunt you for the rest of your day. >> kimberly: if only you had nice shoes to wear with those legs. >> bob: leave bolling, he missed by that much? incredible. seriously, are you going to -- >> greg: what? i just want to say thank you. >> bob: thank you very much. you're good sports. >> kimberly: bob is a great sport! [ applause ] >> kimberly: there he goes. aquaman on "the five." that is it for us on "the five." thank you for joining us on this holiday special. thank you very much to the hellcats for west point for entertaining us and to our dinosaur barbecue team! who were here with us. we'll

i think mondale did the right thing in rolling the dice with jerry ferraro.if mitt romney is down 5, 6 points or 7 points come convention time i would take a hard look at what jeb bush said and that's marco rubio. if he is not down if he is running even or slightly ahead you would say maybe my good friend t paul could bring minnesota or portman could bring ohio. >>> while overseas romney said a decision still hasn't been made. but when it is he will announce who his running mate will be. >> a lot of people waiting for that. >> time to dmeek the fox light. >> he has the scoop from the entertainment world. >> hey, heather and patty ann. good morning and welcome to the fox light. it's pretty clear why sophia is tops on the highest paid list she is every where. entertainment weekly is saying the star will be romantically linked to the family guy's romantic love interest on the comedy hit. it kicks off september 30th. it will feature cameos from johnny depp, elizabeth banks and twilight heartthrob lutz. they have been anything but this summer after weeks of idol j

mondale campaign. >> greg: since you soak the rich, i'm going to soak you. >> bob: go ahead.on't know it, eric used to be a big league baseball player. if he doesn't get this, he is a total and complete wuss. oh, no! oh, no! >> kimberly: we're going to get you, bob. >> bob: gee, a baseball player. the baseball, oh, another one. missed it again. oh, no! [ cheers & applause ] >> bob: i don't know who set that up. you did not hit it here. thank you for that, dana. that will haunt you for the rest of your day. >> kimberly: if only you had nice shoes to wear with those legs. >> bob: leave bolling, he missed by that much? incredible. seriously, are you going to -- >> greg: what? i just want to say thank you. >> bob: thank you very much. you're good sports. >> kimberly: bob is a great sport! [ applause ] >> kimberly: there he goes. aquaman on "the five." that is it for us on "the five." thank you for joining us on this holiday special. thank you very much to the hellcats for west point for entertaining us and to our dinosaur barbecue team! who were here with us. we'll see you right

walter mondale in 1984 had settled on dianne feinstein and at the last minute literally, changed hispalin, last -- >> palin, very much the last second. so i'm sure he has a sense of who the probably two or three final iisists are, but as long there's time to think about it, there's time to change your mind. >> i differ a little bit. i think he has made up his mind. i think he's known for some time idealy who fits into the box for the vp and i think he has personally narrowed that down to two or three people and i think he's made up his mind. it's just a matter of as he said, only he and beth know for sure. >> not these three? >> i don't think it's something he's just going to dawdle over and last minute decide. i think he knows who he thinks will work best with him running this fall campaign. >> if we want to stop talking about bain and tax returns, i think today. we'll be right back to talk about more, but let's do some trivia. we ask which republican congressman played in two super bowls. the answer, answer, new jersey congressman john runnion. he helped the titans reach the super

, but orville straightman later became governor of minnesota and asserted a junior member, walter mondalealthough he came a little later. but you know, with humphrey, avram curt patrick -- excuse me, had really performed minnesota politics, kick to the communists out of the fringe of the democratic party want and for all. he had been part of the oss precursor to the cia during world war ii and always had these intelligence connections. and he hired her and even though there was this age gap that had been married a couple times already, but she didn't fully know i think the full story of that. he became a mentor as well as an employer and he too showed her one of her first jobs for him was editing some papers, captured by soviet prisoners who had showed the extent of the gulags, that sort of thing. another ovation at this totalitarianism. and so, he introduced her to all his -- it must've been a swirl of grandeur and excitement for a jumbo man. at this time, hubert humphrey was senator, living on washington in her as her husband was called, was in not swirl and introduced her to that swirl

but orville friedman who later became governor of minnesota and sort of as a junior member, walter mondale, although he came a little later. but,ounow, wthumy ev kirk pat kirkpatrick -- excuseme --ad kicked the communists out of the fringes of the decratic party once and for al. d adnpaf t urtoiauring rld war ii, so he had that experience and always had these intelligence connections. so he saw something inje anenugerasis e ane d been himself married a couple of times already -- which she didn't fully know, i think, the full story of that -- he became a mentor as well as an employer. heijo for him was editing some papers captured by the nazis, soviet prisoners that they had taken tat showed the ntthuat s t. hendviofis hell of totalitarianism. and so he, you know, he introduced her to all this. it must have been a swirl of grandeur and excitement for a ung woman, you kn gettg toee te, tbehuey was a senator living in washington and kirk, as her husband was called, was in that swirl and introduced her to that swl. d, uyono inkt staee hly excing. and she was bowled over by him, really, and fel

we'll see later on, among those who think that this is a good strategy and those who go with sort of mondale or the regular sort of white liberal democrat. and ironically enough, most black elected officials, most members of the congressional black caucus are opposed to jackson's candidacy but there's a rising tide of black ac timism in the community. and what we have here is the idea of using the black vote, his accumulation of delegates, at a leverage to get the democratic party to respond to these progressive issues that they seem to be neglecting in behalf of black community. >> host: the jackson campaign starts in many ways like chisolm's, as, one might say, symbolic effort. no one thought he would win. he himself didn't think he would win. but the effort was really about, as you say, amazing -- amazing delegates and gaining inflation in the democratic party. >> guest: and putting issues on the table, issues around the -- a primary system, runoff system in the south where, if a majority of the candidate doesn't get at least 50% of the vote, a runoff has to take place. and sort of racial

. >> how did you do with mondale? >> not well. i got the last one by default. >> take over for obama. >> we are so much better off than we were four years ago, it's unbelievable. >> sean: they were fighting before we got on the air. >> i'm dilutional? >> you are schizophrenic if i'm dilutional. >> i'm schizophrenic? >> you would recognize it, wouldn't you? the personality that's coming out is the same one that you who didn't like mitt romney -- >> i am okay with him. >> sean: we have to break. i am losing control. coming up, president obama is defending his request "you didn't build it" comments, saying it was taken out of context. and unveiling the ad that puts the remark right back into context and an obama surrogate in virginia pulls the race card and delivers a despicable rant. will the president denounce this. >> he is speaking to their friends out there who do not want to see anybody other than a white person in a leadership position. as much advanced techy as the world around it. with the available leus enform app suite, yo

>> james johnson was a democratic political operator who had run up walter mondale's campaign for president. he was a guy who was in wall street a little bit, and who had worked at lehman brothers in a washington lobbying effort. he had come out of democratic minnesota politics. that is where he was born. that is where he was raised. he went to princeton, and then came to washington. he really understood the game. the key thing he knew he had to do was to protect the government subsidy, to protect the implied government guarantee that stood behind fannie mae. and freddie mac. >> let me read you another line under a picture of fannie mae headquarters. you say, "fannie mae's sumptuous and sprawling headquarters in washington was designed to resemble the governor's palace in colonial williamsburg." seeing that picture, i start to think, how have we never seen inside this place? have you ever been in it? >> i have never been in it. i have been writing about fannie mae as a political machine since the mid-1990's, but i am not a friend of fannie mae. but i have never been inside. certainly, some

i think mondale did the right thing in rolling the dice with jerry ferraro. if mitt romney's down 5, 6, 7 points come convention time. i would take a hard look at marco rubio. if he is not down. if he is running even or slightly ahead, then you would say, maybe portman could bring minnesota or t.pal can take minnesota. >> greta: but you want to keep the senate? >> i think you have a governor in olieo, right? >> greta: right. >> who would replace portman. kasich would pick the guy. so you are fine there. >> greta: who would you like to see governor chris christie is speaking at the convention, but who else would dazzle the crowd? >> i like your buddy and my favorite, sarah palin. i would say to governor romney at the convention, look, let's not have a boring convention. i mean, it's going to be boring except for the vice-president. but bring in all the voices of the party and say, look, you may not agree with these folks, those folks, but we are united behind governor romney and i would have that and don't have a bore the country for four straight nights with