are they resigning from mongodb? >> that's funny. i don't think of it as the great resignation. i think of it as the great hiring for us and the great rebalancing for everybody else the reality is as a result of the pandemic people changed where they worked and when they worked times we've always been focused at how people worked at mongodb in the last two months some of the greatest technical engineers on the planet have joined our company because of our empowered bottom's up culture. >> you work remote, right? >> i work remote i am physically in seattle and i work for a new york company, and i love it. the reality is is companies have to sit down and they need to really take a deeper look at how they're running their staff and you and i are on a panel later today where we're going to talk about how executives at this council need to run the companies different in order to make this hybrid new environment a place where people want to come to. >> i was going to say that is exactly what cnbc's technology executive council is for, having deep conversations with technology leaders