and i said let me ask you something, did he know about the relationship you have with monica lewinsky? such that he is getting her job to get her out of town. he said i never talk to any of my closest friends about my relationship with women. for two reasons, one is that i was ashamed in the second was a did not want to implicate them. i was very, very careful to never talk about those kinds of matters. his closest friends are probably two or three other people i can think of. i don't think they intentionally obstructed justice. i think in many ways very positive i think he gave a very good advice on personnel. i think he can see when people personally or the presidency will but themselves pretty quickly point that out to clinton he would woo chiefs of staff, move people in. one thing is he had great eq. he also has the best intelligence of anybody in washington. clinton had a really thorny political decision, he was one of the person he relied on. stretched far and wide in washington. i think also on a personal level he was the person he wanted to most relaxed with. on the wall of co

and i said let me ask you something, did he know about the relationship you have with monica lewinsky? such that he is getting her job to get her out of town. he said i never talk to any of my closest friends about my relationship with women. for two reasons, one is that i was ashamed in the second was a did not want to implicate them. i was very, very careful to never talk about those kinds of matters. his closest friends are probably two or three other people i can think of. i don't think they intentionally obstructed justice. i think in many ways very positive i think he gave a very good advice on personnel. i think he can see when people personally or the presidency will but themselves pretty quickly point that out to clinton he would woo chiefs of staff, move people in. one thing is he had great eq. he also has the best intelligence of anybody in washington. clinton had a really thorny political decision, he was one of the person he relied on. stretched far and wide in washington. i think also on a personal level he was the person he wanted to most relaxed with. on the wall of co

about his relationship with the president, the monica lewinsky relationship. also, i'm going to -- beebee rabozo was called before the senate select committee on investigations because of $1,100,000 loan, i mentioned earlier, loan/bribe he had received and the senate committee was very suspicious. he testified a couple of times. he was then basically caught red-handed lying. subpoenaed for another appearance. he never responded to the subpoena. he was ultimately charged civilly with not declaring the income, paid a fine to irs but never charged criminally. other than the two of them, nobody else, to my mind, certainly of the other seven, nobody else was called to testify. >> part of that is with most best friends don't become part of an administration. right? >> no. in fact, part of the way i kind of thought about it, i didn't want a staff person, nor anybody from a family. i think staff and family are just different types of relationships with the president than a friend. because, you know, you can write about chiefs of staff as being the first, i mean in the

yes, i'm suggesting monica lewinsky was an inside job. it definitely was a kind of job that hillary outsourced. monica clinton wrote in her book, hard choices that she strategized behind the scenes to make the lives returned to the country. and democracy irrelevant, couldn't claim that calling the military cou, a military coup would have increased the suffering of ordinary hunter. and as it would have triggered the suspension of usaid and she had to support this regime, c, it was an, a coo, it was pre qu, which doesn't necessarily lead to the tater ship nor to pregnancy. the mainstream media followed the official line that the national party or the coup party was improving the country. how the most dangerous place on earth got safe for the new york times ro. they told the security of a regime that over saw the highest murder rate in the world. i guess these were safe murderers, and they had final answers. these were the kind of murderers you can raise your kids near to miss seriously, the hunters cru saga disappears from a paperback editio

whereas odyssey, obviously monica lewinsky, everybody can understand and that's what broken down. so they do say that obviously johnson's approval ratings are in the gutter in the u. k. so now to your point, i do think this is going to affect people's confidence in his plan be that he's just issued. and so yes, there is speculation that that's going to slow the economy down and actually interesting that you should raise that point because that was in p w. c's projection, i just mentioned jonathan gilling, i'm not, she mentioned that that if oh, micron is taken seriously. this could slow down their economy. i will say there's great pessimism across the u. k right now, because of that christmas party, not so much that they had a christmas party, but they knew it was an as frightening nor a serious as a purported to be. same thing here in the u. s. nancy pelosi having i had done in san francisco. gavin knew some going to a close dinner party at the french laundry in california. the politicians know that it's not so scary, know that it's not so di, but they're empowered and they want

. >> you entered at the time the monica lewinsky story was breaking and hillary clinton herself was goingough a difficult crisis playing out in public and at the time you never could have known that years down the road you would have your own marital difficulties playing out in the front pages of the paper. going back to the time when you first were dealing with your own story, how did hrc as you referred to in the book how did she counsel you during those difficult times? >> as you said, i was a 21-year-old intern when i walked into the white house, completely in all of the experience, the work and the people, i talk about the culture and the support. i think everyone goes through their own challenges and you can't compare the situation. back then for me my job was to take care of her. as the story broke i chose to write a chapter about the impeachment in part because you can mark all of my professional advancements alongside kind of major news in that situation in fact my job at the time the way i handled it i wanted to figure out how to make her life easier. she had so much stress and

so in the back of clinton's very active mind i'm glad he wasn't around for monica lewinsky. [laughter] i will ask the couple but i cannot do all of them. mentioning that what stands out now far away from the presidency at eight years we did have a balanced budget and the surplus and the nato expansion and from today's perspective, even better. we had two things during the clinton years. peace and prosperity and i wrote a book about him on the agenda which is one of the first books with the screaming and shouting and chaos. but even as a journalist to say what he did for the economy. this plan was the joe biden unfulfilled dream. so we will cut spending but we will all increase revenue and to put ourselves on the road to balancing the budget. . . . . >> and revealed in his tapes, i. mean, it is not only criminality, but in this again is the thing about extended, that the most potent evaluation of nixon was by his farewell address to or in the day that he resided in augustig of 1974, and he thought u they were talking s wife was there and daughters, son-in-law's and they were

it any means it from the back of his dear active mind is geo glad it was not around during the monica lewinskyhing. [laughter] >> let me ask you a couple of questions but i cannot do all of this, while we mentioned bill clinton, the stones out now, we are far enough away from his presidency, we did have a balance rate years as her class and nato expansion and in the '90s from today's perspective like an even better, we have two things during the clinton years. we had peace and prosperity and i wrote a book about him which is one of the first books and had a lot of screaming and chatting in chaos which was true but again you have to even as a journalist look back on it and say, what he did for the economy, his economic plan was joe biden unfulfilled dream. and that gets we are going to cut the spending but we are going to increase revenue within or we are going to put ourselves on the road to balancing the budget. it actually makes sense pretty and of course the problem always with clinton was getting thirty and then getting there. and there was a lot of and certainty and if you look in retrosp

he wouldn't do it until monica lewinsky.hen the polling numbers started to slip, he wanted to ring that case. he could continue to be u.s. attorney if al gore had one. he put himself in that position then. they tried -- he was going to allow being a special attorney to the case and allow bobby frank cherry to get off because he had dementia. had to protest outside. he was not the lead attorney. it was robert posey who actually prosecuted robert frank cherry. host: we will head to south carolina to northwest south carolina. this is calvin. good morning. caller: good morning. host: who are your picks? caller: my political pick for winner is joe biden. my loser is the house and senate. republicans and democrats are right. joe biden has got everything going his way. his bills are being passed. he is using words to attack our democracy. he's the one who is the real winner. we've got to slow that train down. host: you don't think republicans are doing enough? caller: that's correct. i don't think they are doing anything. host: in

monica lewinsky, the blue dress, bill clinton's impeachment.en fox news is a realplayer on this story. and then comes hanging chads. year 2000. george w. bush versus al gore. >> the decision desks are looking at this, scratching their heads unable to call this race. >> again. all of a sudden, you see a need for an alternative source and a different source of news, it is just like all of a sudden, a lightning strikes, more and more people say, oh, yeah, let me check out what fox has to say about this. >> billed on three big stories, one was clinton-lewinsky, the second 2000 election and third aftermath of 9/11. i think we did a good job on 9/11 covering that story, but in aftermath we looked at it differently from other media. when the dust cleared we were number one and have been since. >> you get to 9/11 it was you know a freight train, that nobody could stop. >> it was palpable the concepts of fox news channel getting on the map, you could feel it after three years there was finally some traction. and it was going to survive. >> i came to fox

means that but you know in the back of clinton's mind is key, i'm glad he was not around for the monica lewinsky. [laughter] cf. let me ask you of questions and then talk about a job but it cannot do all of them but while we mentioned joe and bill clinton, was santa ana, we are far enough away from him but we did have a balance, so blessed nato expansion of and in the '90s, from today's perspective, even better. >> when two things, treatment of peace and prosperity never the book about him called the agenda which is one of the first books they had a lot of singing and shouting in the chaos which was true but what he did for the economy, is economic the plan was joe biden's unfulfilled the treatment and that is, we are going to the spending but we are going to increase and increase revenue and put ourselves on the way to balance the budget and actually make sense" is the problem always is with clinton was getting there. it was a lot of uncertainty and a lot of doubt but you look in retrospect, charlie's ideal the outcome and not so bad. >> without nixon's legacy. [laughter] is there anything now

in the back of clinton's mind, if they were around for the monica lewinsky. >> let me ask you a couple -- and then i want to talk about something else. it is mentioning bill clinton. with far north away at eight years, we could have a balance, we have a budget, a surplus, a nato expansion, in the 90s. looking from today's perspective, like solid days. >> even better. we had two things during the clinton years. peace, and prosperity. and, i wrote a book about him with the agenda, and it is a lot of the screaming, and the shouting, and this was true. even as journalist look back on it, in what they do for the economy, and it is the economic plan, with joe biden's unfulfilled dream. so, we are going to cut spending, and they are going to increase revenue, and we are going to push ourselves for the road to balancing the budget. and, actually, it makes sense. it is going on getting their. there was a lot of uncertainty, a lot of doubt, and if you look in retrospect, and at least when i do the outcome, and not so bad. >> is there anything that you look back on, now, with nixon, and realize i

during this, he would tell this story often, he lived at the watergate building and during the monica lewinskya meeting and say i would try to call her and the line was busy. everybody would laugh. he had that kind of funny humor that people always appreciated about him. that was something that stood out about bob dole. he -- howie: i've got half a minute, didn't mean to cut you off. is this sort of the previous era, where you could deal with people in both parties as a leader and not have it be as horrifyingly caustic and personal as it is today? >> people thought it was pretty caustic sometimes with bob dole and democratic leaders and juror mitchell and bob byrd. i remember back in '86 with bob dole and robert byrd going on the floor and it was intense as anything i have seen. i have it on vhs tape. i looked at it years later a because it was such an important moment. you have to look at everything from the prism of that time and we will look at bob dole and his life, was certainly world war ii. howie: thanks very much for hopping on the phone with us, bob dole will be missed. 98 years old.

he would set up retired justices and bipartisan but anyway and i remember talking to him about monica lewinsky. and i told him what i thought he should do. get a letter signed by 34 senator saying no way going to convict and have it in your pocket. i think he would've accepted the peaceful new york times got a mission that it is something wrong. you can that would've been at and as it turned out to thank you one and the politics of it and i think the republicans knew that was not going anywhere. and they were hell-bent to try to make it happen. those without a times you wish you were - bullet was always good to visit with him. the point of ginsberg and i think i'm probably repeating myself here but she would die down the hall from leslie khamenei said that he was going to do this and i want to get somebody close to bob dole and close my neighbor that was his way of kind of i don't agree with her. philosophy. the simple can you kind of moving along i said sure. and she did and we did and she had 96 votes. in the filibuster and then we had prior next. when you him and we worked with him and he w

. >> what josh was saying, scrutinizing every word of this speech, it reminds me of when the monica lewinsky broke out, they were looking at any possible interpretation that could be drawn from the speech that could be interpreted the wrong way and removing every single instance of that. >> yeah, he was talking about paul begala, paul is extremely familiar with opposition research, kind of anticipating how republicans would be able to go after the speech, and that's, again, frustrating for the speechwriter, but you have to have a political person who knows how the other side is going to respond. and on that highly practical note, i will draw today's class to a close. and hope you've gotten a little bit of insight into presidential rhetoric. and we will continue our look at the presidency in a virtual class on wednesday. take care. >> thank you. >>> did you know you can listen to lectures in history on the go? stream it as a podcast anywhere, any time. you're watching american history tv. >>> c-span offers a variety of podcasts that have something for every listener. weekdays, "washington tod

jay could be monica lewinski and o.j.e was a squirrel today in the park. you know, just some bizarre offbeat thing. so you're not going to just get monologue jokes about the front page. it's whatever dave wants to do. sometimes it seems like a cable access show, like why is he throwing a watermelon off the building? >> i think that's an important consideration for all of us. and believe me, ma'am, you've come to the right place. >> you don't tune into letterman to see what's going on in the country today. would you have tuned into jay to see that. that's the difference. comedy of character and personality, then a great joke teller. let's see face it, if you don't like who dave has on and you don't like who i have on, now you can click around, why don't we go back to jay? gee, here's something i might have missed. >> i found they both evolved their style. they came out of the carson thing and first instinct is to kinda sorta do it like that and then their personalities emerge and they did their own versions of it. >> the h

you can listen to the first episode, what if bill clinton had resigned amid the monica lewinsky scandalten books on scenarios like this. he's a five-time emmy-winning network journalist and now a columnist for politico. he joins me now. jeff, military planners war-game scenarios all the time and in some ways alternative histories i guess are the way journalists and historians sort of war-game things. but you've written some alternative history. and as a historian and political analyst, why do you do it? and why isn't it just simply fiction in your mind? >> if you do it right, it teaches you two things. one, the incredibly contingent nature of history. over and over again, tiny changes would have resulted in enormous consequences. if it hadn't stopped raining in dallas, that bubble top would have stayed on john kennedy's limousine. if elian gonzalez' mother had survived there wouldn't have been a custody controversy that probably cost al gore 15 or 20,000 votes in state he lost by 500. the second thing it teaches you is how critical character and temperament is. you take the same conditi

scrutinizing every part of the speech, it reminded me something for the wall green chapter when the monica lewinskyal broke out, they were looking for any possible interpretation that could be drawn from the speech that would be interpreted the wrong way. they were removing every single instance of that. i thought that was kind of an interesting way to go about it. >> yeah, they will talk about possible gala. paul was extremely familiar with opposition research. kind of, anticipating how republicans would be going after the speech. that is, again, frustrating for the speech writer, but you have to have a political person who knows how the other side is going to respond. and on that highly practical note i will draw today's class to a close. i hope you have a bit of insight into presidential rhetoric. we will continue our look at the presidency in a virtual class on wednesday. take care. >> thank you. technology professor allison lange talks about the suffrage moment. >> so you've b eenext another class from our series of lectures history. like susan -- portraits like susan anthony'str

scrutinizing every word of this speech, it reminds me something of the wauldman chapter when the monica lewinskyndal broke out. they were looking for any interpretation that could be viewed the wrong way and they were removing every instance of that. >> and paul was extremely familiar with opposition research, kind of not anticipating how republicans would go after the speech. that's frustrating for a speechwriter, but you have to have a political, and on that note i'll draw today's class to a close and hope you have a bit of insight into presidential rhetoric and continue our look at the presidency in a virtual class on wednesday. >> did you know you can listen to lectures in history on the go? stream it as a podcast anywhere, anytime. you're watching american history tv. c-span offers a variety of podcasts that has something for every listener. weekdays washington today gives you the latest from the nation's capitol. and every week book notes plus has in-depth interviews with writers about their latest works while the weekly uses audio from their immense archives to look at how issues of the d

also really love "impeachment: american crime story," which is a dramatization of basically the monica lewinsky clinton. what do you want to call it? fiasco scandal? and it's fantastic. of takes a salacious aspects of that era, but it adds, it's really kind of this depth in there and gives you the background on all these >> brown: all right, and give us a couple of movies. >> sure, i mean, i'll start with one that we saw earlier this year. that was one of the most ecstatic theatrical experiences i had, which are still rare. but the documentary "summer of soul" or when the revolution could not be televised, it is the directorial debut of questlove. >> brown: i know that one well, we got to talk to him. >> oh, lucky, lucky. so you know what a what an ecstatic experience this was, and it's a great film because it's not only preserving a wonderful moment, which is this the harlem cultural festival in 1969 that involves so many just absolutely fantastic performances. but then questlove layers in commentary, present day commentary and reminiscences of people who were there to create a really wonderfu

you can go back to bill clinton in 1990's during the monica lewinsky scandal. a lot of those groups and leaders a lot appeal of evangelical christians pounded the drum of personal morality and use that issue as a two by four against bill clinton. they said he was an immoral reprobate and that really mattered for a whole variety of reasons. his character matters because the presidency is such an important job. that all flipped when donald trump came onto the scene. there was reluctance against trumpet they overcame that. then they embraced it and became great champions of him and all of a sudden, those moral concerns they expressed when a democrat was president got jettisoned and what matter was not personal morality or ethics or integrity of the president but his policy agenda. i think they are vulnerable to challenges of hypocrisy. the balancing of moral character and the agenda that a political leader has is a complicated issue. you have to weigh those different things. there is just no question that you can see the double standard that has been at play. if t

and i remember talking to him about monica lewinsky. and i told him what i thought he should do. to get a letter signed by 34 senators saying there is no way we're going to convict, to have it in your pocket. then i wrote the op ed piece the "new york times," which i think he would have accepted. you know, kind of admission i did something wrong. and maybe a rebuke and that would have been it. turned out i think he won. the politics of it. i mean republicans knew it was not going anywhere. and they were hell bent to try to make it happen. but those are the kind of the times you kind of wish you were up there. he was always good to visit with. and, you know, ginsburg, she lives right down the hall from us and he called me, say he was going to do this. and, you know, he said i want to get somebody close to bob dole, you know she's my neighbor. that was his way of kind of -- well, i don't agree with her philosophical, she's nice, wonderful lady. and he said well you kind of move it along you know? and sure i -- and we did and she got 96 votes. >> that wouldn't happen today wouldn't

he wouldn't do it until monica lewinsky. when the polling numbers started to slip, he wanted to ring that case. he could continue to be u.s. attorney if al gore had one. he put himself in that position then. they tried -- he was going to allow being a special attorney to the case and allow bobby frank cherry to get off because he had dementia. had to protest outside. he was not the lead attorney. it was robert posey who actually prosecuted robert frank cherry. host: we will head to south carolina to northwest south carolina. this is calvin. good morning. caller: good morning. host: who are your picks? caller: my political pick for winner is joe biden. my loser is the house and senate. republicans and democrats are right. joe biden has got everything going his way. his bills are being passed. he is using words to attack our democracy. he's the one who is the real winner. we've got to slow that train down. host: you don't think republicans are doing enough? caller: that's correct. i don't think they are doing anything. host: i

because the monica lewinsky affair was being talked about during the double impeachment of trump. the little spiel by saying nancy pelosi said during the impeachments of trump, many democrats said we are going to taint tom in -- trump in history. we may not remove him from office but there will be a dent in his armor. when you have a double impeachment of a president, it is hard to see why people will be looking at that as being successful in uniting the nation . >> cox is committed to providing eligible families access to affordable internet. cox, bringing us closer. >> cox supports c-span as a public service, along with these other television providers. giving you a front row seat to democracy. >> c-spanshop.org is c-span's online store. browse through our latest collection of c-span apparel, books and accessories. there is something for every c-span fan. every purchase helps support our nonprofit organization. shop now or anytime at c-spanshop.org. >> sunday night on cue and day, george weigle talks about some of the people he profiles in not forgotten. his book of reminiscence

you can go back to bill clinton in 1990's during the monica lewinsky scandal.ot of those groups and leaders a lot appeal of evangelical christians pounded the drum of personal morality and use that issue as a two by four against bill clinton. they said he was an immoral reprobate and that really mattered for a whole variety of reasons. his character matters because the presidency is such an important job. that all flipped when donald trump came onto the scene. there was reluctance against trumpet they overcame that. then they embraced it and became great champions of him and all of a sudden, those moral concerns they expressed when a democrat was president got jettisoned and what matter was not personal morality or ethics or integrity of the president but his policy agenda. i think they are vulnerable to challenges of hypocrisy. the balancing of moral character and the agenda that a political leader has is a complicated issue. you have to weigh those different things. there is just no question that you can see the double standard that has been at play. if those

it's so multi layer, the resilience she show after the controversy around her husband of monica lewinsky you lose in the nomination in barack obama and come back and run again for president in 2016. after the trump lost, everybody wanted her to go away. >> republicans never want to hear from her. i am not talking about her senate colleagues. >> her republican party says shut up, hillary clinton, go away. she's still basically saying she's keeping her truth and she stuck around and said i have sorry, i have seen and heard some stuff. i am not going to back away from the public arena. it's the truth for bill clinton, too. a complicated mixed legacy now. they both have stayed in the public arena because they care about america and they think they have learned some lessons that if people can put aside their feelings and their reflexes of reactions and some of their bitterness on the democratic side, they can learn from and i think you are right, they can learn from these two people understand a lot how america works and the threat to democracy and how to win elections in america. it takes so