with more on this, i am joined by monica medina, a distinguished fellow at conservation internationalocean environment and science. also joining us is a mechanic, a distinguished scholar of environmental studies at middlebury college, a contributor writer at the new yorker, and founder of third act, which organizes work on climate and racial justice. welcome to both of you. i'm sorry, bill, if that sounded a bit alarmist. i know you are not given to being alarmist. people have to understand that this is now policy. this is the kind of thing that the heritage foundation and conservative groups have said will happen if donald trump is elected. and while we may not be able to roll that climate change, they are going to rollback the things that allow us to protect ourselves from the impacts of climate change. >> i think you are being under alarmist if anything. to give you a sense why, look what happened in florida in the last two weeks. governor desantis, in his continuing addition as a kind of miniature trump told the state of florida that they can't even mention climate change in any o