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it meant a lot. >> martha: monica palmer, thank you very much. we are all watching this across the country very closely as it unfolds. you stood your ground and we will see where this goes. monica, thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you. ♪ >> martha: so moment ago the police chief in wisconsin provided an update after multiple people were shot inside a mall, our reporter has just arrived on the scene and we will take you there live in moments. also coming up, victor davis hanson and marc thiessen on president trump's huddle with those michigan lawmakers and their take on where the president should go next with all of this. especially if he has an eye to 2024. that's next. >> the campaign, which i won by the way but, you know, we will find that out. almost 74 million votes. ♪ at visionworks, we know it's easy to forget to use your vision benefits before the year's up. this is us making sure you don't. use 'em before you lose 'em, backed by our 100-day guarantee!! visionworks. see the difference. shingles doesn't care. i logged 10,000 steps

monica palmer is one of two republican members of the wayne board of canvassers, wayne county board ofs, and monica has since rescinded her vote to certify those results. monica, i can only imagine what you've gone through here in the last few days. but i applaud and appreciate you being with us tonight to tell your story and what has transpired in wayne county, one of the most controversial locations, a state -- where we saw so much happening just before our cameras. the boarding up of cardboard over windows to prevent the public from seeing what's going on. get -- tell us why, first of all, you did not want to certify the results in wayne county. you and one other republican member of the board of canvassers. >> when we were given a verbal executive summary of the precincts to find out the over/under reports whether the precincts were balanced or unbalanced, there were an excessive number of presints that were unbalanced without explanation. and it is the job of the canvass to find the explanations and the difference in the balance. therefore, in my opinion, we did not have complete

monica palmer and william hartman will forever be known in southeastern michigan as two racists.'t on your side, history won't be on your side. your conscience will not be on your side. and, lord knows, when you go to meet your maker, your soul is going to be very, very warm. >> thank you. >> stephen: "well, thank you for telling me i'll be spending eternity burning on a lake of fire. i'll pack something light. oh, you also say i can go pleasure myself? again, thank you. it would be consensual." after three hours of being pelted with rocks and garbage, the meeting went on mute for five minutes, and when it came back on, hartman informed the crowd that they had just voted unanimously to certify the results. so that's it? that's all it took? it's that easy to stop your devious plan? for pete's sake, if all fascists were that weak, we could have avoided world war ii with one propaganda poster! "hey, hitler, is that a mustache, or have you been kissing mussolini's ass?" things are also going poorly-- you're shake your head on that one. did i go too far? do you think i hurt hitler's f

monica palmer and william hartman will forever be known in southeastern michigan as two racists and more nos when you go to meet your maker, your soul is going to be very, very warm a short time later they changed their vote to certify. here now ronna mcdaniel long time michigan resident joins me now. thank you for being here tonight. i think all of us can understand when this kind of committee gets into an argument about whether or not to certify but the reaction of these individuals is shocking when you watch that. >> it's horrific. it's bullying. it's frightening. and you know, if you look at what monica and bill were saying and this is an issue in wayne county in 2017. the lieutenant governor who is a democrat said it was a catastrophe what was happening there because 80% of the precincts did not match. this past summer 72%, this one 71. what does that mean? it means a precinct has to say these are how many absentee ballots we sent out to voters who requested them. say we sent out 100 and then they get 200 back. how does that happen? you have to align the poll books with saying how m

the two individuals here, william hartman, who is a member of that board of canvassers, monica palmer, those are the two individuals saying basically, nope, we will not sign off on this free and fair election in this state. it's not just them. this is the michigan republican chair laura cox saying i am proud that due to the efforts of the michigan gop and the rnc under the leadership of ronna mcdaniel, enough evidence was uncovered resulting in the wayne county canvassers refusing to certify the election efforts. this seems to be a top to bottom coordinated effort by the republican party in your state. >> not only that, it's not true. any indication of fraud that was discussed today are instead clerical errors which will go to the bureau of investigations which falls under my office to address and we will. there is no indication any votes were wrongly tabulated or any invalid votes existed offer tabulated. this is really just a clerical issue that will be resolved by the state and nothing more than an attempt to misuse these roles to play partisan politics and cause confusion which, a

what i can say happen that the chairperson, monica palmer, was very concerned about finding an arrangementall, fulfilled her duty as a can sasser, which is to make sure that all the reports are in order and you can validate them. when you've got 71% of the precincts that are invalid in contrast to what one of the democratic canvassers said, 71%, that's okay, that's normal for us, it shouldn't be a big deal. no, no, it's a big deal, and i was happy they rejected it the first time. but monica was seeking to have something that could address everyone's concerns, so she proposed to have an audit of the system. now, we know that a really true audit, a audit, not a fake audit where they just rubber stamp it, one that goes through both the paper trail and electronic trail, we're going to find out there's consistent violation of chain of custody around the election results, and there's no way this should ever be certified. that's what monica was pointing out. and if we actually did that full audit as proposed, they would be fully justified in certifying that election. matter of fact, the democrats

that is from monica palmer.e is that they were suggested to the republicans that yes they would go ahead and authorize an audit that is the secretary of state website to michigan, that's not necessarily binding, i don't have to do that. and that made them flip again. the very latest we have tonight come republicans who agreed to certified now say they will not. >> i talked to one of the attorneys on the ground there that's been working on these cases and he said last night, i asked him is the two agreed to the audit will it nullify their votes and he said that's answering a very sticky legal territory so that means bb part of what were hearing tonight is that they are not confident tha was going to have been. want to read a little bit of what we're hearing the attorney with the trump legal team very chi says we've also learned tha they did not sign to certify those false results. stamp of their signature rather than a wet signature was put on the certification vote. they are grateful for the courage of these ele

despite all of that intimidation, monica palmer and bill hartman rescinded their votes and they joined the ingraham angle exclusively, thank you both for being here and having the courage to speak out -- i want all of our viewers to see how you both were treated during this process, watch. >> the stain of racism that you, william hartmann and monica palmer have covered yourself and is going to follow you throughout history. your grandchildren are going to think of you like bull connor or george wallace and lord knows, when you go to meet your maker, your soul is going to be very, very warm. >> laura: he's unhinged. monica, this is the kind of harassment that you faced after your initial vote. he's a fairly prominent business person, what have you experienced since? >> it's continued, he's used his social media platform to repeatedly doxx me, posting my email address, my home address and encouraging people to stop by their house and share their anger with me. >> laura: are you kidding me? this man with all of his money and business contacts and social media decides to pick on you in wha

and monica palmer. who are saying nope we will not sign off on this free and fair election in the state. it's not just them. this is the michigan republican chair saying i am proud that due to the efforts of michigan gop enough evidence was uncovered resulting in the board refusing to certificatety the election result. this is a top to bottom coordinated effort. >> it's not true. there were not irregularity or fraud discussed today flt it was clerical error that will go to the bureau of elections. which is under my office. to fully address. we will. there's no indication any votes were wrongly tabulated or that any invalid votes existed or tabulated. it's really just a clerical issue that will be resolved by the state. and nothing more than attempt to misuse the roles to play partisan politics and cause confusion. which is the norm that we have seen throughout the election. >> what happens now? there's an impasse. two to two board. they have to agree. bipartisan board. what's the next step? >> the state

this comes just days after william hartmann and monica palmer are their names. they voted against certification, citing concerns about discrepancies in the numbers of ballots recorded as cast and the number of ballots counted. then during the public comment phase of a meeting of the wayne county board of canvassers tuesday night. the pair says they were repeatedly threatened and accused of being racist for their decision. take a listen. >> shame on you. shame on you for leading to this level of corruption. >> the law isn't on your side. history won't be on your side. your conscience will not be on your side. >> after more than two hours of that, the pair agreed that they would vote to certify the results if a complete independent audit of the city's elections would occur. however, after they voted to certify the results, michigan secretary of state said she was under no obligation to do that. so now the two republicans want to change their votes back. in a sworn affidavit, monica palmer said i fully believe the wayne county vote should not be certified. the wayn

in her affidavit, monica palmer said i fully believe the wayne county vote should not be certified. yne county election had serious process flaws which deserve investigation. also important to note the discrepancies palmer is concerned about would only amount to what appears to be several hundred votes nowhere close to the near 146,000 votes joe biden leads by in the unofficial results here in michigan. dana? >> dana: garrett tenney, thank you so much. let's bring in fox news contributor karl rove to help with all of this. your general take away from that 90 minute press conference today, karl? >> well mayor giuliani said centralized plot involving widespread voter fraud. sidney powell said the threat was communist in origin it had come from venezuela and involved hugo chavez george soros and the clinton foundations were key participants in the plot. these are serious, i think somewhat strange accusations but serious and now both mr. giuliani and ms. powell have an obligation to go to court and prove them. because these are questioning the fundamental fairness of our presidential ele

then today the republican chair of the four-person committee, monica palmer, said the president called her himself after the meeting ended. and last night both she and her fellow republican board member william hartmann signed affidavits saying they want to rescind their vote certifying the election, they want to take it back after monica palmer talked to the president. even though that doesn't appear to be a real thing. i think that ship has sailed. trump also invited the republican leadership of the michigan house and senate to meet with him at the white house tomorrow. even though both have said they have no plans for any long shot maneuvers aimed at the republican legislature naming an alternate set of pro-trump electors from michigan. they're trying to just overturn the election and install the president in power. now, i don't want to freak people out. this should not be giving you a knot in your stomach about the outcome. it's not going to work. okay? it's not some new ball game they're playing now. it is doomed to failure for a bunch of reasons we'll get into. but that should no

one of the republican canvassers, monica palmer, said that only votes from areas outside detroit, whichwhite, should happen to be certified. during public comments, watch as the two republicans were torn to shreds by a man named ned stabler. >> i just want to let you know that the trump stink, the stink of racism that you, hartman and palmer, have just covered yourself in, is going to follow you throughout history. your grandchildren are going to think of you like bull connor or george wallace. monica palmer and william hartman will forever be known in southeastern michigan as two racists who did something so unprecedented that they disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of black voters in the city of detroit. >> by the way, two eventually backed down. the vote was certified. today the trump administration announced a targeted recount of dane and milwaukee counties in wisconsin, which just so happen to have large black populations. the campaign didn't want to pay for recounts in the rest of the state. go figure. for more, i'm joined by jaron smith, former deputy assistant to the presiden

palmer: monica palmer. ms. bradshaw: i know that the board member had a question for you. -- board member sheinkle had a question for you. mr. sheinkle: we talked on the phone months ago, and i saw your affidavit that you filed. i will start by asking, during deadline in wayne county you had a tie so that the motion was defeated. is that correct? that is correct. mr. shinkle: after that there was public comment taken. tell me what happened to cause you to go back and to have another motion made. ms. palmer: the vice chair pulled me aside and offer the suggestion of an audit on the unexplained ballots from the precint. in the heat of the moment, i should have realized that the law does not allow for that audit to happen before your certification. unfortunately, i did not put the two together in the stress of the moment. and get a good faith effort of relying on the information that the vice chair gave me, we move forward with the motion. it is my understanding that with an independent audit we would be able to f

2 republican poll watchers and we've got monica palmer and william hartman, and they say that they voted not to certify the results in wayne county of, of michigan. that's the county in which detroit is located. that was because of irregularities, and they say that a number of ballots that were received didn't match the official list of the people who voted. so at that point, michigan had already been called for joe biden, 515-0000 votes, and it was considered to be in biden's camp. they voted not to not to certify the results at 1st. and then immediately they were just swarmed on social media with accusations of bigotry. it was pointed out that wayne county of detroit is overwhelmingly african-american. people put this in the context of the history of voter suppression and depriving african-americans their right to vote. this is some of what happened after they voted not to certify the results. initially we are going to you guys are not right, and i'm sorry for your descendants will be so ashamed of you. i'm ashamed of you. i'm not going to read it to you. and shame on you, you're a rac

william hartmann and monica palmer initially voted against certifying the election results in wayne county, michigan, where detroit is located. they said there were irregularities. they said that the poll book, which is the official list of all registered voters, did not actually match the election results. they had questions, they were not comfortable voting to certify the election results. the state of michigan had already been called for joe biden. the we had been ahead at that point . 150000 votes, there was kind of a 3 hour deadlock and then there was a zoom call where activists and poll workers spoke to the board on a zoom conference and raised the issue of racism. we are going to you guys are not right. and i'm sorry for your descendants will be so esteemed of you. i am ashamed of you. i'm not going to read it to you. shame on you. you're a racist ignorance was showing your racism is very up parish and i don't know how you sleep at night. because this is on the record, monica, your daughter is going to look at you in disgust because she's going to know, and this is going to affect h

william hartmann and monica palmer were 2 republican poll canvassers who observe the counting of votes, and when it was time to certify the election results in wayne county, michigan, they alternately voted against it. their reason was that the poll book, which is the official list of all registered voters, didn't match the ballots that were received. so the state of michigan had already been called for joe biden. he would had been ahead at that point 150000 votes, but because of these irregularities, they were not agreeing to certify the voting results in wayne county in michigan, that's the county where detroit is located. so immediately after they did not certify the vote, there was kind of a 3 hour deadlock and then there was a zoom call where activists and poll workers spoke to the board on a zoom conference and raised the issue of racism, accusing them of racism, saying that this fit in with the long history of voter suppression efforts to deprive african-americans of their right to vote. this is what they endured on the xoom call. we are going to come. you guys are not right, an