names escape me know who started the first passenger canal boats and were actually intended to be a monopolist. thier advertising. one line on the canal. so again, even in the 1820's we have business interests that aren't necessarily aligned with the public interest. but eventually it and actually fairly quickly a number of competitors emerged. travel on the canal was very competitive. not particularly expensive, but enough that people who ran barges made a lot of money even after they paid significant holes, which is what wound up making these canals such a profitable venture for the state. >> hold on, one sack. >> what happened was i think if the canal had not been built from 1817-1825 river road start coming in in the 1830's. initially they can't really -- can't really transpired very much. there aren't really competitors for heavily loaded barges for a couple more decades. but it is a curious thing. once the canal was built and opened that became the request. and when i -- my office is in a neighborhood that -- in a neighborhood that has lots of the places to eat. i wind up having lunch or

escape me now who started the first passenger canal boats, and were actually -- intended to be monopolists. they were advertising line was one line on the canal. and so again, even in the 1820s, we have business interests that aren't necessarily headlined with the public interest, but eventually and actually fairly quickly a number of competitors emerged. and travel on the canal is very competitive. not particularly expensive, but enough that people who ran barges made a lot of money even after they paid significant tolls, which is what wound up making the canal such a profitable venture for the state. [inaudible] >> hold on a sec. >> did the railroads put the canal out of business, i would think they would have. >> yeah. no no. it's a very interesting question. i think if the canal had not been built from 1870 to 1825 railroads start coming in in the 1830s. initially they can't really read arose can't really transport very much so they are not really competitor for barges, for heavily loaded barges for really a couple more decades, but it's a curious thing. once the canal was built and op