in fact, bill hemmer spoke moments ago with monroeville hayden. >> jon: what you think was going on at trump tower last summer? >> in my heart of hearts? nothing that has to do with electronic surveillance on the part of the united government. >> jenna: bill, great to have you on the program. >> great to be with you. >> jon: what's your response to what michael hayden just set on our program? >> that includes several subprograms that are fiber-optic taps with the assistance of the intelligence companies, more than 100 of them across united states. that's why they have to keep building larger and larger storage facilities, because they're collecting more and more as the years go on. >> jenna: let me back up a little bit. there's been so much focus on the fbi, fisa warrants, based on your experience, what kind of surveillance on american citizens can be done without a warrant? >> none. that should be the rule. if they don't have a warrant against the u.s. citizen, they shall be collecting data. they're collecting data on every u.s. citizen without a warrant. you can look at the original