some of the lower -- >> but even with the surplus, you did have to raise tuition at the montana state universities, didn't you? >> well, we did go the longest time in the history of montana with no tuition increases, longer than all 49 other states, but we did have to raise tuition a little bit, but we do have a scholarship program for middle class families in montana. we call it the best and brightest. so every family in montana can achieve the dream of a college education. we don't want kids dropping out because they have to go back to work. we want students to be able to get a university degree. >> best of luck to both of you. multi-layered issues for the middle class. some different, some the same, if both states as we've seen around the country. thank you very much, gentleman. governor scott walker from wisconsin, governor brian swooirts from montana, thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. >>> the s&p may feel the country doesn't deserve the top credit rating, but do you? how to get your personal finances to aaa, how to keep them there, next. [ male announcer ] a moment that starts off o