. >> right, and the montgomery busboy, at 26 and contributed qualities i deeply admire as a man and thosethe things that really drew me to him. >> rose: the interesting thing about this film is that you get a chance to see that there were these -- all the factors that are at play and it is a day by day endeavor and it is about strategy. yes. >> it is about trying to understand what the forces are against you, it is about enter within the black, interblack battles between young and not so young, it is different people who thought they had a better way. >> and king heard all of those conversations. >> yes. that's what i think is revelation-ory. >> when people see the film, when you think of nonviolence they think they were soft, as compared to a malcolm x but what people don't necessarily realize. >> rose: he was more fiery. >> right but actually when you dig into this it was incredibly subversive, the idea of using love to shame racists into taking a look at themselves the idea of going into a place like selma and making sure the cameras roll while you provoke these people to do what they