they would even do what i was photographing at monticello the 76 sissons. they would gather and look at the numerology. you just take the numbers and add the amount -- seven plus six equal 13. well, where this leading is that mr. jefferson as did franklin extrapolated that for every 19 years there is a new generation of americans born. every 19 years. and if you will supply that on july 4th, 2005 the day i was walking up to the dome to photograph the 76 citizens, we became at that point all of us became the 13th generation of americans since the founding of the revolution. this is the original american dream. again, the math is 19 times 12 ultimately july 4th on mr. jefferson's death in day anniversary, we became the 13th generation. so the question would be, what will we do to pass on to the 14th generation? to replenish what will become hours whether we are as teachers, parents or myself as well historians -- is our challenge to pass the torch on. and i guess as teachers how would you pass this on to a generation that is somewhat preoccupied with ipod's,

to be part of his family and to be buried in monticello. that is an incredible offer. didn't kosciuszko take up jefferson on that because that was a very close relationship obviously. >> what do i think? welcome kosciuszko was good friends with jefferson and in one of the letters jefferson writes to kosciuszko say we are both older now and don't have many years left ahead of us and i have this plot where i am going to be buried and come to virginia and live on my state, but at monticello and you can be buried next to me. why think the reason kosciuszko didn't return as he had these high hopes either napoleon or somebody would attack russia and freed the poles from, you know, the russians and prescience and austrians who had all taken them and kosciuszko was also given 500 acres in ohio as the result of his being a general in the american revolution so he had his own land he could have come to live in ohio on that land as well and the reason i think he didn't return is because he always held hope he would be able to free the peasants of pola

to become a part of his family and be buried at monticello. now, that is an incredible offer, obviously. why didn't kosciuszko take up jefferson on that, because that was the very close relationship obviously, taken up on that? >> why do i think? kosciuszko was very good friends with jefferson and you were right, in one of the letters i found jefferson rights to kosciuszko saying were both older now and we don't have many years leapt ahead of us and in fact i have this plot where i am going to be buried. come to virginia and live on my estate at monticello and you can be buried right next to me. but i think the reason kosciuszko did not return was because he had these high hopes that either napoleon or somebody would attack russia and free the poles from the russians and the prussians and the austrians to let all taken over. kosciuszko was also given 500 acres in ohio as a result of his being a general in the american revolution, so we had his own land. he could have lived in ohio on that land as well and i think the reason he didn't return i

and i thought that morning we were filming a monticello, actually, when he made the speech and when i heard it i thought he is going down in flames. it's hilary -- hillary will be the nominee because this was the act of an most deadon, frontal candor, explaining to america the roots of black rage in the church forms they took as well as eluding to white rage, and america took it -- it was a credit to the sophistication of the electorate, really, its willingness to face something fresh to actually face truth even if they're tough about american history, but instead of doing him a irreverse able harm it did him an -- immediately an enormous amount of good even though he had to distance himself further from jeremiah write, -- wright, who would not leave well enough lone and shut up at that point. so i think we have a moment in which the american future and the american past are this extraordinary already tike two wires in a kind of electrical connection. we can't use history really as a predictor of what will happen next but you do know that, you know, whether it's wonderful books about

and come to virginia and live, you know, on my estate, live at monticello and you can be buried right next to me. but i think the reason kosciuszko did not return it because he had these high hopes that either napoleon or somebody would attack russia and freed the polls from the russians and the prussians and the austrians who had all taken them. and kosciuszko was also given 500 acres in ohio as a result of his being a general in the american revolution. so he had his own land. he could have come and live in ohio on that land as well. the reason i think he didn't return it because he always held out hope that he would be able to free the presence of bold. that was his obsession. not only did he want to freed american slaves but he wanted to into feudalism, frieda serves and freed dozens of europe. >> how much would that be in current dollars and what happened with the acres in ohio? [laughter] >> does anybody have a calculi are on them? [laughter] >> i don't know how much that would be but i think it would be more than a bucketful of money and the land in ohio, kosciuszko tried to

and i thought that morning we were filming in monticello, actually when he made that speech. when i heard it i thought he's going down in flames, you know. it's hillary's -- hillary will be the nominee because this was an act of most extraordinarily dead on frontal candor explaining to america the roots of black rage in the church forms they took, as well as a duty to white rage. in fact, america took. it was a credit to the sophistication of the electorate really. its willingness to face something fresh, to actually face truth even if they are a bit tough about american history. instead of doing him a reparable and irreversible harm it did him immediately an enormous amount of good even though he had to distance himself further because the jeremiah wright inconveniently would not leave well enough alone. would not shut up. that particular point really. [laughter] >> but so i think we have a moment really in which the american future anti-american past are this extraordinary like two wires in a kind of electrical inaction. no, we can't use history billed as a predictor of wha