i lived in monticello since 92. and i fully expected their view of jefferson that he was a very highly moral and conflicted man on the subject. he earns two but could not because it was hampered by these terrible burdens in debts and was also hampered by a primitive racism that was typical of many 18th-century people. he simply thought that black people were inferior and the kid never throw off this idea. also that he was hampered by political considerations. he treated slaves well and yearned to find an opportunity somehow to free them. well, i spent about two years researching and writing a book that was really very much along those lines when things began to fall apart. as the jesuits a tommy, i spent a lot of time looking at the original documents, some of which are at the library of congress and were available online. and what i began to find really disturbs me. for one thing one of the first things i found is that there was a document that showed the the regime at monticello was not as a benevolent and kind as

and since it is monticello we begin with thomas jefferson and his words here. and this is a quote that comes from a letter he wrote in response to edward cole, his former secretary. he wrote this letter, and as you can see, august 25, 1814, which is a low point to the united states and its war against the british empire, the war we call the war in 1812 but a war which lasted in to 1815. now, those of you who know about the occupation and the partial burning of washington will recognize that august 25 was right after the british had occupied washington and while the buildings were burning. jefferson was writing this letter from monticello so he didn't know yet about that but he knew the war was going very badly for the united states. he had written to jefferson this just that jefferson taken more public role, a more leadership role in the struggle to achieve emancipation. jeffersons reply was discouraging because jefferson decided that is day four of aggressive political leadership had passed and he thought the moment had not yet arrived in virginia or a serious

select believers and especially heterosexual christian men but monticello exclusively a second include women too should aggressively move into and take over take control of all relevant sectors of society including government and business education and media there's a laundry list and. this is an idea that was conceived of back in the one nine hundred eighty s. but then it got simplified more recently into something called the seven mountains mandate each mountain being a sector of society so what rafael cruz is telling it is followers people in the movement. which is no heat in waiting compas five to ten percent of america by some stretch people who might get this it received this sort of message in church or through some medium. so the encouragement is that believers should do whatever it takes to. in take control and this can be done by stealth it can be done over really but ultimately the idea is that a small minority will call the shots a small minority of christian believers who are in this very specific sort of politicized christianity and it's not representative of either chris

since it is monticello let's begin with thomas jefferson and this is a'' that comes from a letter that he wrote in response to his former secretary. he wrote this letter august august 251814 which is a low point in the united states will recall the war of 1,812th. if you know, of the occupation and the partial burning of washington recognized august 25 what is right after the british occupied washington while they you were building one dash burning buildings. jefferson did not know yet but he knew it was going badly for the united states. >> to take a more public role jefferson's reply was discouraging because he decided that his day had passed and that it had not yet arrived in virginia for a serious effort. but then a very interesting passage. that emancipation is inevitable. and it lays out to possibilities of how it could be achieved. one is that virginians would have the generous energy of our own mind to set aside self-interest in order to emancipate the slaves. but then he considers a more imminent possibility. while jefferson said the moment had not arrived for virginians to ex

soldier of interest is private thomas candon's, son of madison innings, son of dolly hemmings of monticello. in his memoir published in 1873 in the pike county republic, madison stated that his son, thomas, had died at andersonville prison. is graveside is not among those listed in the records. he might be one of the 459 not identified. the andersonville civil war research files includes the following remarks about thomas hemmings. quote, reported to be the grandson of thomas jefferson, unquote. they both are listed in my book along with nearly 2000 other forgotten black civil war soldiers. including my great-grandfather, crowder patience, and company c. of the 103rd pennsylvania regiment. i was quite surprised to see how my great grandfather birth certificate can his surname -- being illiterate runaway slave who had not been allowed to learn how to read or write, he would not have been able to spell his name when he enlisted in the union army. therefore, the recruiter wrote what he presumed he was hitting. of the military records his name is spelled various ways. the final spelling is the

jefferson, but there are at least -- there are three i think, only but particular domes meant to evoke monticello the natural history museum in the old west wing of the art museum, the national gallery. then whether it was intentional or not, it speaks to the other two, the new national museum of american indian. they are all in effect tributes to the jeffersonian ideal. >> he even has a form of democracy named after him that doesn't com erbody. >> the broader question which takes off from each of your characterizization of your passion, i'll start with an anecdote which would add to this point and that is that i was -- i had the interesting experience of being with david mccullough, the day after he had told his pusher publisher to take back the million dollar advance he got to write picasso, and the tried hard for a year, writing pick picasso, and decided he couldn't do it. and it was a matter not of expertise in his point of view, although he admitted he wasn't an expert on art -- it was a matter of sympathy. and that brilliant publisher of his said, instead of accepting the million back, whom

goes down through the business district into federal hill inner harbor patterson park around lake monticello and flat tens out as it comes from the stadium where it used to stand and coming back down mile 26. perhaps the most scenic as you go through the park of babe ruth and in to m & t bank stadium. if you see babe ruth you are happy. >> not only is it scenic it is down hill downhill. i have finished a marathon where you have to go uphill. you think you are going a little faster you get a push from the downhill you get to run through camden yards. >> if you have a qualifying time this is still a qualifying race for the boston marathon. if you finish in a qualifying time you qualify to run in the boston marathon. this year the boston marathon has brought us a special starter ericaka brannock the last victim of the boston marathon bombing was the official race starter today. we will visit with her a little later on as we take a look at our first early leader. it is not dave berdan who was the favorite. that doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination he is the guy who will finish. if it i

monticello kentucky, your thoughts. >> thank you for taking my call. on this obamacare, it is like obama don't care. that is beside the point. let the mayor can people decide on whether or not they want to vote on obamacare. let the people decide if they want it or not. what is the long-term effect going to be once we do raise the debt limit? what about next year? how is that when to be paid for? >> raphael from georgia, republican caller. >> thank you for having me. my first thing is about all of the policies, this is just a sham. it has always been a sham. the reason the two parties are going -- i am 27 years old and i am watching c-span. it's sad i am watching c-span and there needs to be a lot more young people watching it. this is ridiculous. we should not raise debt from the get go. we should be working on the way to cut all of these little entitlements. there are a lot of people that are making $15,000 per year off of just entitlements, like all of these -- it is just not right. that is all i have to say. >> dave on the independent line. >> they

rick is in monticello, indiana, on the line for republicans. you are on with devlin barrett of "the wall street journal." caller: thank you very much. i hear obama all the time talking about sequestration is hurting the country. he is the one that came up with the idea. can you explain how this really got put into effect? guest: absolutely. what hasack to happened as a result of the 2010 congressional elections and sort of renewed interest in getting the budget under control and cutting the budget. createdpened was, they this weird sort of creature because they could not get a deal out of congress where they were going to have a supercommittee of people who would come up with the smartest and best ways to cut the budget. and to give them a stick to make the tough choices, they said -- and if the supercommittee fail to reach an agreement, we are going to have something called sequestration, which is euros of just broad, for lack of a better term, meat cleaver-take cuts across the board. on both defense spending and discretionary spending. intere