you could look from monticello, you would see -- you would see many farms. but you wouldn't see the kind of landscape, a republican landscape. and of course this was at the very time gary's talking about the prosperity of the institution of slavery. it left an ugly imprint on the land. virginia itself at this period was probably best at producing slaves, better at producing slaves than anything else. because there was such a voracious appetite for slaves further to the south. this was not an image of republican progress. and yes, jefferson did understand and see this kind of urbanity. it's not big cities. big cities are bad, they're sick, nasty places to go to you'll die they're unhealthy. but a kind of -- a civic landscape, in many ways new england was perfect except for the new englanders. >> that's right. and on that note. i'd like to thank you all very much for coming out on a nasty day. you all had a hand out on your seats that tells you what's coming up in the 20th century, a version what was we've been doing in the 19th century here. i hope you will a