this building looks, probably, a lot more like monticello, the monticello we know. this is the hotel disarm in paris, which was his favorite building over there. he wrote that he was violently smitten by it. this was a mansion that was built for a german prince and it happened that the construction happened the very same years that jefferson was in paris. so, he would go at their from his sham pillars a mansion. this was being built not too far from the eiffel tower on the left bank to come back from the champs elysee and sit in the garden on a lawn chair and he would crane his neck and look across to see this building being built. he wrote that you had come home at night with his neck hurting from looking at it all day long. but this is showing off a new form of architecture, french neo-classicism it's called today. a little different from the classical farms that pull ottawa's playing with. instead, there is an emphasis on flow, on humility, on restraint. this is a building with three stories i was meant to look like it was just one story., so jefferson took some

i would come to monticello on a very regular basis, because honestly, i love monticello. i love history. i knew my family was associated with this place, i just wasn't sure how. i would come here quite often and every time we were on a tour, the guides would hint. to this point, my imagination has not allowed me to wander into the other direction. we would go on a tour, and i would raise my hand every time, i would say, i'm related to sally jefferson. and i would keep moving on, back in 2010 i came with charles and charles is tall and at this point he was a tall teenager. we took a tour. i did the same thing, because i am a person of routine and habit. i say i am related to thomas jefferson and sally hemings. and the guide said, great, your family, you are dignitaries. let me take you on a private tour when this is over. at last, this is happening. unfortunately, i don't know her name, it is lost to history. if anyone listening today can remember, me being there with my son charles, please let me know because i am very grateful to her. she was the first person who introdu

thank god she did to monticello. she came to us in 2016 as our first public relations and community engagement officer. and it's my delight to welcome her tonight as a colleague. but more importantly as an honored speaker. a common refrain in gail's book is and i quote giving voice to the ancestors. and she does that of course and we try to do that by telling their stories. she describes herself as when i quote a woman whose voice is used as an instrument. not for herself but for those written out of history. a woman who after a lifelong journey founder family her home her purpose end of quote and in part it was because of monticello's work to find and learn from the descendants of its enslaved community. in a project called getting word. that gale found more of her family and their story gail's courageous telling of her story and that of her family. provides an inspiration to all of us and of course gail's book includes the work she has done here since she joined the staff as our first community engagement officer.

he was invited back to monticello. so by this time, you know, the jeffersons had long since lost the house the levy family a jewish family. that was very inspired by jefferson's commitment to religious freedom. they had bought it and they welcomed peter fawcett back. back home, so he had left auctioned off from the west lawn of monticello, and he walked back in as an old man through the front steps. so so the you know, the journeys brought me to many different places both in europe in my mind and considering this this man who had once been my hero, but i now saw more critically. but but at the end i think it left me, you know, very enriched. it definitely definitely thinking that you know, we do need to remember jefferson and along with all these other people at the mountain, you know on monticello mountain. it's a way of remembering this whole time period that we all share in our history as americans. and and it's still left me with many stories of jefferson. that i still that i still enjoyed and and looked at despite

about 80 of them lived in monticello. they far outnumbered the free people in monticello. others lived elsewhere in his farms and at his estate in bedford county, virginia, which is south of monticello. south of charlottesville, where he also built a very beautiful house. i'm not going to talk about it today. they were integral to what he did, to making his living. some of them worked in trades, others infields. others in the main house. many were members of the hemings family, as you probably know. elizabeth demings and her children were part of the whale's estate and tradition says the john wales was the father of six of hemings children, and thus they were half brothers to jefferson's wife, martha. jefferson gave the hemings special positions. the older slaves jefferson freed in his lifetime, and they were all hemings. giving credence to the oral history that they were related to him. years after his wife's death, jefferson fathered at least six of sally amping's children, four of whom survived to adulthood and are mentioned in jefferson's plantation records. their daug

about 80 of the lived at monticello. so they far up numbered. the free people at monticello others lived elsewhere in albemarle county on his farms and at his estate and bedford county. virginia which is south of monticello south of charlottesville where he also built a very beautiful house. i'm not going to talk about today. they were integral to what he did. to his making his living some of them worked in trades others in the fields some in the main house. many were members of the hemis family as as you probably some of the story. elizabeth hermitage said her children were part of the whales of state and tradition says that john wales the father of six. of having his children and thus they were half-brothers. to jefferson's wife, martha ah, jefferson gave the having special positions and the oldest slave jefferson jefferson freed and his lifetime and it is well, we're all hemmings. giving credence to the oral history that they were related to him years after his wife debt wife's death jefferson father at least six of sally having his children

jefferson was a universal genius whose design of the university of virginia and his own house, monticelloreflected his love of craft -- classical design and gracious living. the first american gourmet. jefferson introduced spaghetti to the american diet. as well as such foods as french fries, asparagus, ice cream, and vanilla. some of the finest meals ever prepared in america were made in his kitchen and though his political ideas were a tremendous advance over the ancient romans, his preparation at this were virtually the same, involving the huge applications of labor, heat, and time with the same inevitable shrinkage and drying out of. even the arrival of the iron horse and industrial revolution did not substantially change methods approved preparation, as can be seen in this virginia city nevada home built a century ago and reserved in its original functional state, including kitchen. the 19th century age of iron and steel made cooking by the hearth obsolete. relatively cheap and efficient iron ranges could be readily installed in the most modest pioneer cabin or city dweller apartment

andrew j astonish eight is the vice president of the thomas as president foundation of the monticello -- the jefferson studies. his previous books include an empire divided, the american revolution, and the british caribbean and the men who lost america. joining him in conversation, is halle ruler a professor american history and an associate professor at the university of maryland. now let's hear from on drew asana sea and holly brewer. thank you for joining us today. >> hello, thank you for coming with. this is going to be a fun conversation a terrific book and an important topic. it can you ten used to be relevant and powerful. the most particularly, the questions are, what is the legacy of the american revolution what does it mean in terms of citizenship, especially higher education. how strut we understand ideals versus reality in the complex atmosphere of -- education is currently, especially higher education, is very strong. what extent has, the universities, they were founded in the wake of the revolution in particular, what extent were they tainted or compromised by questions

doug stanford at monticello. they asked if they could explore sharswood.ey weren't interested in the ornate house designed by that famous architect. what they cared about was the dilapidated building that they suspected had once been slave quarters. >> there was once hundreds of thousands of these buildings. this was the most common type of architecture in virginia. >> let me give you the running dimensions. >> reporter: now these buildings are rare, with fewer than 1500 believed to be still standing. and pogue and sanford started a project to search for them. >> so one, two, three, four. >> reporter: fred and karen invited them to come and investigate. they examined, measured, and searched for clues. >> you can see the siding is -- >> reporter: they showed us some of what they found. >> these are the kind of nails that we expect to see on buildings before 1800. hand made, brought nails. you can see the hammer strokes on the head. >> is this the original siding? >> this is remnants of the original siding. >> reporter: they worked from noon to dusk and fina

paine agreed to be painted, and jefferson hung the portrait in quite a place, on the walls of monticello, his house in virginia. that was 1787. now fast forward 40 years to 1828. thomas jefferson is dead. his family are selling off his possessions. when the auctioneerens dig out thomas paine's portrait, they find the canvas torn and battered. there are mouse holes through his eyes, stab marks in his chest. as if some children in jefferson's family had been allowed to vandalize it. the fate of thomas paine's painting is, i think -- [inaudible] for his own extraordinary life. the man toasted around the world in the 1790s -- 1770s and 1780s as the hero of the american revolution ended his days as a discredited pariah, unceremoniously cast aside. the thing about the painting at monticello are, it's our first clue that thomas paine never sat comfortably in the pantheon of america's founding fathers. a working class immigrant and sometime -- [inaudible] paine sticks out from the rest like a sore thumb. famously plain spoken, both devilish and smart, paine was also far more radical and ideologi

brian: i'm concerned about the wokeness in james madison's historic home and thomas jefferson, monticello. i don't think slavery should overwhelm the tours. what's your take? >> the interesting part about all of this is that the same constitution that was -- that we have from 1787 is the same constitution that today i was elected under. it's the same constitution that is going to carry us forward. it's our founding documents and the foundation are secure. it has to catch up with them at some point where the part about all of us are created equal, which is the declaration of independence, and the part about the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness, that is also equally important. it hasn't gone away. it carried us all this time. it-carry us further. if you destroy the foundation, then what do you have? you can't have a new constitution are he five years, 10 years like some countries do. i'm here in the former capital of the confederacy. brian: and your career is just beginning. nobody is stopping you. lieutenant governor winsome sears thanks so much. >> thank you. brian: go to your dvr a

paine agreed to be painted and jefferson hung the little portrait in pride of place on the walls of monticello, his house in virginia. that was 1787. now, fast forward 40 years to 1828. thomas jefferson is dead. and his family are selling off its possessions. when the auctioneers take out tom paine's portrait from the bottom of the box, they find his canvas torn and battered. there are knife holes through tom paine's eyes, there are stab marks in his chest, as if some children in jefferson's family had been allowed to vandalize it. the fate of tom paine's painting is, i think, an apt metaphor for tom paine's own extraordinary life. the man, toasted around the world in the 17 70s and 17 80s as the hero of the american revolution, ended his days as a discredited pariah. unceremoniously cast aside. the ugly fate of that painting in monticello is also our first clue that thomas paine has never sat comfortably in the pantheon of america's founding fathers. a working class immigrant and sometime manual labor, paine sticks out from the rest like a sore thumb. famously spain -- plainspoken but devilis

and obviously, at monticello, we've been tackling this to. and i think there's more that can be done, i think it's really exciting, and i think it would matter to america. i think that you will see that. i will tell you we've had those conversations about those things, and we talked about it this morning. the park, the nine presidents, and i think that we are actively engaged in that work. but i think we now have currently a scenario where there is interest in making that known through the experience as well and so we are here for that idea to. >> any other -- >> yes i just wanted to follow up on lines that way to get into the public white house tours. we now have the new bicycle lane that the mayor put in, going all the way down 15th street and you have the electric scooters who don't write in that lane, they write on the sidewalk, any of the people waiting to get into the white house tour, and there really a soft target. there is so much stuff now going on in that block in front of the sherman monument, that really i think from a security p

panelist is leslie green bowman president of the thomas jefferson foundation which owns and operates monticelloent on the committee for the preservation of the white house under

they have had enough of the fellow from monticello.t the university of virginia's calling for the removal of thomas jefferson's name from the campus in order to promote exclusiveness. in 1819, he founded the school. people writing "reject how the university's physical environment, one that glorifies racist slaveholders with statues and buildings in their owner and the enduring culture of white supremacy." are also arguing the entire campus needs an overhaul. people suggesting alec baldwin start rescuing kittens. you think they would've done some research. it's not like jefferson was a secret president like dick cheney. will thomas jefferson actually be removed from his own school? any sane person would hope not. sometimes removing a founder from his creation is an improvement. after all, you're watching "gutfeld!" right now without gutfeld. i rest my case. kat. no one makes you go to the university of virginia. you have a choice. if you don't like it, why go there and try to change it? >> kat: when i founded timpf university, i won't s

andrew jayashaughnessy is vice president of the thomas jefferson foundation at monticello and saunders director of the robert h smith international center for jefferson studies. his previous books included an empire divided the american revolution and the british caribbean and the men who lost america joining him in conversation is holly brewer burke professor of american history and associate professor at the university of maryland now that's here from andrew o'shaughnessy and holly brewer. thank you for joining us today. hello everyone. thank you so much for coming. i think this is going to be a very fun conversation about a terrific book and an important topic that's it continues to be relevant and powerful. and most particularly the questions are about what is the legacy of the american revolution? what does it mean in terms of? citizenship on especially higher education and how should we understanding conflicts of her ideals versus realities in the complex atmospheres in the republic? but education is currently and especially higher education is currently very strongly deb. ated w

the only other states with abortion related ballot measures are for monticello fourniÉ.rights political strategist said to democrats, they are playing checkers instead of chess. my sunday night panel is back with me, kurt, we've known for years that the conservative majority on the supreme court would likely restrict abortion access, they telegraphed, it saying that trump would only appoint pro life judges while he was running for office. why do you think democrats never came up with a unified political legislative strategy around this. >> well, again i think i referenced this in the last segment. you have to remember this mindset that all of us were in at the start of joe biden's presidency. we were coming off of january six, and we are we're also in a pandemic the likes of which we never seen. it literally froze everything in american place, as well as around the world. we were just trying to get through a period of time where thousands have been americans were dying every single day. our economy was frozen and there is a lot of fear and uncertainty. that is priority n

. >> of course, he had monticello that he was also developing. he was soembody that had european training in terms of the architecture. those physical settings were very important to him. throughout the rest of the 1800 leading up to the civil war, at that point downtown washington was still a work in progress. the washington monument was only have built and the capitol dome was not finished, as i recall. were there other first ladies who notably made an effort to bring the white house and it's a physical surroundings up-to-date? >> sure, perhaps the best example is mary todd lincoln. , from that time period. at that point in time the white house had a vegetable garden. a kitchen garden in today's parlance. it was approximately one acre in size, and the lincoln's, the gardeners at the white house grew most of the produce that was consumed by the lincoln's. mary todd lincoln had a special interest in the flowers, but also the kitchen garden. the period accounts state that she delivered strawberries directly from the white house kitchen garden to c

this is an interior shot of monticello, by the way. it has mammoth artifacts from george rogers clark. so, in other words, there was tremendous potential for change in 1776. even people like mason and jefferson, who are talking about natural rights into the idea of natural rights, where are the implications of natural rights for is the very. we do not want to end slavery in the moment. in later bills, jefferson, mason, and others, propose that they wanted to remove a african americans from virginia. this was going to be a requirement for freedom. the laws were gradual. they did not apply to people who are currently enslaved but only those born after the law. they would be free. they had to serve an apprenticeship until the age of 21, maybe to age 28. they would have to leave upon freedom. they talked about creating a black homeland in the west. again, out of indian land. this idea of compact, that included the formerly enslaved was not on the table. the free people had to go. this is one of the reasons you get migration to ohio during

whoever imposes whether it's a thought well or taking it off the library shelves, it's monticello.nsive book, -- what is a duty? you are you chilled by this? >> i am very chilled by, this i am told by this. i also have to say very chilled by the fact that there are more subtle kinds of banning and censorship. i don't know whether abuse the word -- as one tony morrison is taken off the syllabus. in various parts of the united states. this is a remarkable as you, know i don't need to say this, nobel prize winner. the first african american writer whose work blooded or the bluest eye is in fact a way of trying to understand the heritage of slavery in the americas. which isn't very similar to salmon trying to understand, the postcolonial more migrant road in britain. what is soon challenging about what these rioters to is they make us rethink the long and cherished treason side to junctions. a respected of the migrant, perspective of the post mate, postcolonial, makes history read the history of metropolitan societies. that is what is resistant. that is why children are in school may n

and this this is an interior shot of monticello, by the way with artifem with mammoth artifacts. from george rogers clerk so so in other words there was tremendous potential for change in 1776, but you know even even people like mason and jefferson who are talking about natural rights, you know into the idea of natural rights aware of the implication of natural rates for slavery don't want to don't want to enslavery in the moment. so in the later bills that jefferson mason and others proposed, they wanted to remove freed african-americans from virginia that was going to be a quality requirement for freedom. and generally the laws were gradualists that they didn't apply to people currently enslaved. they only applied to people born after the law. so not just people brought in but people born after the law would be free, but they would have to serve an apprenticeship maybe to age 21 maybe to age 28 and they would have to leave. upon freedom so they talked about creating a black homeland. in the west again. you know out of out of indian land and you know, but this this idea the idea